Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[MistyWaters]

Didn't the farm say he gave them a DL and SS card?

A SS card and out-of-state ID card in 2014 under a false name when he was first hired by the farm. Yes, one of the very few facts that have been released.

 

[justwannahelp]

CR does not hold a driver's license. He didn't own the car. These are actual facts confirmed by LE. Nobody is safe if unlicensed drivers are on public road. It is a crime to drive without a license. I think Mollie's family might disagree with you. I certainly do.
JMO

I’m guessing he gave them a fake ID?
ETA
I’m behind so probably already discussed

 

[MyBelle]

Yes it did, but he could have done all those things without it. Others have certainly committed similar crimes without the use of a car. It may have been an added bonus, but not necessary.

CR DID use a car in the commission of the crime. That fact is not in dispute. I really don't care what he could have done, my interest is on what CR did.

 

[MistyWaters]

I’m guessing he gave them a fake ID?

LE hasn’t released any details about who owned the black Malibu or how it came to be CR was driving it that particular day.

 

[MyBelle]

I’m guessing he gave them a fake ID?

Yes. Fake state IDs are easy to obtain which is why Iowa refuses to accept them for ID when you want a driver's license.

 

[kpm]

Didn't they say at first the car was stolen? Or at least registered to someone else? Do we know for sure who actually owns the car? Would it even be a factor in the trial?

I only heard it was not registered to him

Who ever gave him the car let him drive it illegally unless he a secret DL LE doesn’t know about

The car will be part of the trial if evidence is found in it, I don’t know if it will be held until after the trial or not.

I had a car stolen, I waited for insurance to pay out and bought a new car, almost a year and a half later a Detroit court or impound lot called me and said I could pick up my car....

I was told it was stolen and used to go murder someone, it was sitting in the impound lot the whole time.

Needless to say I never went to pick it up, but I did have to go look at it to identify it.

 

[MassGuy]

If it’s a company car what about letting a person without a DL drive it?

According to them he only produce an out of state ID and SS card

If he was allowed to drive a car illegally that bears some responsibility doesn’t it?

Perhaps civilly and perhaps a minor charge criminally, but there aren’t grounds for more than that, regardless of how we feel.

 

[MsBetsy]

CR DID use a car in the commission of the crime. That fact is not in dispute. I really don't care what he could have done, my interest is on what CR did.

I understand. Others may be interested, which I assumed when I saw some posts about whether a car was needed to carry out the crime. I was responding to a concept, not necessarily addressing a particular person.

 

[kpm]

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Perhaps civilly and perhaps a minor charge criminally, but there aren’t grounds for more than that, regardless of how we feel.

No, I know it’s not grounds for more than

 

[JenniD]

This evening as I traveled across rural roads to meet friends for dinner I couldn't help but staring at all the fields of corn and my mind went to Mollie. Although I have always lived in this area the corn took on a whole new meaning. I was amazed at how closely those rows are planted together and I can't picture how someone can even walk between those rows let alone drag and carry another person through them. The more I thought about Mollie the more questions came to mind
1. Did CR dispose of her body by himself or did he have help
2. How much time really elapsed from the time MT was abducted to her death
3. Is her data from Fitbit based on her heart stopping or on the Fitbit no longer syncing with her phone
4. When her body was found were there any indications if she been there since July 18 or were there signs that her death may not have happened at that time but perhaps been held in captive for a while as CR trophy? If no indication of being held why didn't LE just say so
5. Did CR girlfriend still live in the trailer with CR until the morning of his arrest as stated by some MSM reports or had she moved out when they broke up 2 years ago as reported by others
6. Is the 2nd car towed and escorted by the Sheriffs department significant

These are questions I may never have answers to but hope LE does and all those answers will result in CR and anyone else who might be involved with this heinous crime to be prosecuted to the fullest extent
Mollie did nothing to deserve this.

 

[Al Hoffman]

BGM Football Carrying Community On Angel Wings

"They all knew her their whole life so they are doing it for her." The Initials of Mollie Tibbets, Scott's sister on the front of the Bears' jerseys, set in a heart with wings. "Basically, it touches their heart and so they can keep her in their heart forever."

For a few hours each week football can clear their minds from a heartbreak they'll never forget but it's never far removed. The initials M.C.T for Mollie Cecilia Tibbetts are on the back of the helmet. It has become a view many opponents are seeing often as Bears players speed ahead of them into the end zone. Jordyn said, "It's like a little piece of like pride knowing that we are doing all this for her."

Excellent video at link.

I want that on the back of a riding jacket. The wings and heart surrounded by "Eat My Dust - MCT" in a circle!

 

[RavenCC2020]

MT's family has already publicly said they know the owners of Y Farms, and empathize with their situation. In Iowa, friends don't sue friends. This is a small town

Again JMOO

Exactly this. The family will not sue the farm. They don't want to make a political statement nor make money from the death of their daughter. These are good people that understand nothing is going to bring their daughter back and vengence is not in them.

As a side note... something tells me that this farm is going to be paying closer attention to the people they hire in the future. This situation has opened their eyes and the eyes within the community. They won't risk this happening again. I doubt their will be any "John Budd's" hired in the future.

 

[MsBetsy]

I only heard it was not registered to him

Who ever gave him the car let him drive it illegally unless he a secret DL LE doesn’t know about

The car will be part of the trial if evidence is found in it, I don’t know if it will be held until after the trial or not.

I had a car stolen, I waited for insurance to pay out and bought a new car, almost a year and a half later a Detroit court or impound lot called me and said I could pick up my car....

I was told it was stolen and used to go murder someone, it was sitting in the impound lot the whole time.

Needless to say I never went to pick it up, but I did have to go look at it to identify it.

Maybe I imagined it but I thought someone mentioned the possibility that it was stolen.

 

[Confusion]

I'll give it another shot. This one will probably sound like a plot directly out of a bad B level movie, but I'm running out of steam. Partially because there's not much to actually sleuth with the little we've been given, but more to get back to the tragedy that happened to MT instead of focusing on who may or may not lose money because of her death.

So, I'm going to start with CR and one of his 2 friends he was seen with a lot were in town and happened to pass MT along the way. CR made a comment about how he'd like to get to know her better, and his friend tells him to just go talk to her. They drive past her several (a few?, I don't remember what was said) times while he tries to decide if he should. This goes on for several minutes before she turns onto 385th Avenue and started heading to a more isolated area.

He finally decides to go for it, and the friend pulls over to let him out. He runs up behind MT until he catches up, and then he runs next to her and tries to talk to her. She gets freaked out for obvious reasons and threatens to call the police if he doesn't go away. He's mad and embarrassed since his friend witnessed him getting shot down, and he knocks her to the ground, hitting her head on the pavement. His friend pulls up and they throw her into the car. I'd prefer not to go into what I think they may have done to her, but eventually she ends up in the trunk. This is the only thing I could come up with that would make sense of the other car being involved... They realized they had screwed up and couldn't really go anywhere to get cleaned up because they'd be in trouble as soon as anyone saw their bloody clothes, etc., so one of them calls the other friend to bring them some clean clothes and maybe some wet rags and towels to get cleaned up with. They took her into the cornfield and waited there for the other friend to show up.

At some point, they cleaned the car and burned the clothes, towels, etc. and thought they were safe. When LE showed up at the farm and asked about the car, one of the "friends" could be who told them it was one that CR used. Once they arrested him, the other two took off, and CR confessed to doing it alone either out of loyalty (unlikely) or out of fear of retaliation if he implicated anyone else. Whether he actually did the stabbing or not, legally he would still be just as guilty as anyone else, so it wouldn't really benefit him much to say anything anyway, but maybe he just couldn't bring himself to say that he was the one who had actually assaulted and murdered her.

Turn in next week for another episode of "As the Stomach Turns". MOO

 

[MyBelle]

CR didn't anticipate the video in his premeditated plan to abduct, murder and conceal.

Perhaps civilly and perhaps a minor charge criminally, but there aren’t grounds for more than that, regardless of how we feel.

I think the State of Iowa could think of criminal charges for letting an unlicensed driver access to a car. Even if it is only a misdemeanor, it is still a crime.

 

[MassGuy]

CR didn't anticipate the video in his premeditated plan to abduct, murder and conceal.

I think the State of Iowa could think of criminal charges for letting an unlicensed driver access to a car. Even if it is only a misdemeanor, it is still a crime.

Some states do have laws against that. Some only punish the driver. Not sure about Iowa.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I only heard it was not registered to him

Who ever gave him the car let him drive it illegally unless he a secret DL LE doesn’t know about

The car will be part of the trial if evidence is found in it, I don’t know if it will be held until after the trial or not.

I had a car stolen, I waited for insurance to pay out and bought a new car, almost a year and a half later a Detroit court or impound lot called me and said I could pick up my car....

I was told it was stolen and used to go murder someone, it was sitting in the impound lot the whole time.

Needless to say I never went to pick it up, but I did have to go look at it to identify it.

I had my car stolen too, watched it right out my window in a major city, called 911 and their reply was “do you know it’s a federal offense to call 911 for a non felony offense?”
Hours later a cop showed up and said “this happens all the time, we don’t have the resources to pursue this, you should drive around the neighborhood and look for it yourself”.
Days later I found it along with drugs (not mine) in it and a document from a probation officer to a person that had presumably been in the car, and when I called the probation officer they blew me off.
Somewhat off topic to Mollie’s case here except the take home point for me that LEOs do not always have the resources or have bigger fish to fry than following up in hot pursuit of a stolen or illegally operated vehicle.
The vehicle CR drove the evening that he used it to accost Mollie, etc. IMO would not have been on anyone’s radar, regardless of his or other users or their licensing status or permission to use it from their employer. Just MOO of course

 

[MistyWaters]

An out of state ID.

What I think would be ironic is if, after wasting all this time discussing something that has nothing to do with MT, it was found that CR wasn't the one driving. Any chance that one of the "couple" who left after he was arrested may have been involved too? MOO just to try to change the subject...

Yes unlimited scenarios are possible given no more official information has been released whatsoever.

I have another. How about if, as his first attourney stated, CR was working legally in the US. The John Budd thing came from anonymous sources, not always accurate information. Or the source knew a John Budd did work there but it was another person.


“Despite what federal officials have stated about Rivera's status in the U.S., his lawyer said the suspect worked legally in the country.

Attorney Allan Richards alleged that the government was saying falsely that Rivera was not in Iowa legally, in a court document through which he asked for a gag order....”
Mollie Tibbetts investigation: Chevy Malibu seen in surveillance video not registered to suspect Rivera, source says

 

[MyBelle]

Exactly this. The family will not sue the farm. They don't want to make a political statement nor make money from the death of their daughter. These are good people that understand nothing is going to bring their daughter back and vengence is not in them.

I'm baffled. How is a wrongful death lawsuit tied to making a political statement? Wrongful death lawsuits are a way to receive compensation for out-of-pocket costs and for pain and suffering. Everyone knows a lawsuit won't 'bring back' a loved one. There is a two-year window to file.

 

[RavenCC2020]

“Despite what federal officials have stated about Rivera's status in the U.S., his lawyer said the suspect worked legally in the country.

Attorney Allan Richards alleged that the government was saying falsely that Rivera was not in Iowa legally, in a court document through which he asked for a gag order....”
Mollie Tibbetts investigation: Chevy Malibu seen in surveillance video not registered to suspect Rivera, source says

The attorney stated he had proof CR had legal status but what he was relying on was that the owner of the farm released a statement claiming that CR had provided legal documents which allowed him to work there. The farmer then renegged on that statement when he found out CR was hired using false ID. So what the attorney stated was no longer valid.