Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Jaclin]

Carryover from last thread (sorry, don't know how to quote from there):

@Tippy Lynn asked: Out of curiosity....if we could ask LE three questions what would you ask them?

@rebel123 answered:
a) When exactly did you get the CCTV? (1-2 weeks doesn't cut it)
b) Have your recovered the clothing CR worn on the evening / night in question?
c) Have you recovered the following items, the sharp object that caused Mollies death, Mollie's phone and Fitbit?

Great question and excellent response! I would add these:

a) What other towns has CR lived in since coming to the US?
b) Has a criminal record been found under his name, or any known aliases, in either the US or Mexico?
c) What, if any, evidence was found in the Malibu's trunk?

*Bonus question - 'Sup with the Nissan, yo? (my best "gangsta" impression...)

Besides the questions above, I'd also want to ask:
1)was she wearing the fitbit?
2)were the clothes on her body or just in the general area?
3)did they find the phone and where was it?

 

[Jaclin]

Question: my employee, Lizzie, is entitled to use the tools in my tool shed as part of her compensation. She must check them out. She comes to me one evening asking to borrow my ax. I allow her to and the next morning I discover she’s given everyone in her company owned house a whack. Am I liable because it was my ax she used?

is a store liable for selling an ax to Lizzie who does the same? I don't see how it is any different. The tool is provided whether borrowed, purchased or gifted. I'm going to say that letting your employer borrow an ax should not come back on you if she takes it home and kills her family with it. If she asks to borrow a gun, which requires a license, then it's different. Unless she's made threats to ax her roommates, the blame has to end somewhere, otherwise what's next? blame the manufacturer for producing it? well, some sue happy person out there might try it, but they shouldn't. Axes aren't weapons. They are tools and they don't require a license to use. A car requires a license to drive, so that's where I think the farm could be in trouble if it was indeed their car and they let CR drive it without CR showing them a license.

 

[Warwick7]

Besides the questions above, I'd also want to ask:
1)was she wearing the fitbit?
2)were the clothes on her body or just in the general area?
3)did they find the phone and where was it?

I believe the information for this is being held by LE.
One article did say--her clothes were with her body. Which leads many of us to believe they were in the general area.

 

[1987]

I am not sure at all that the farm owns or has titled that car. for all I know that car came in from mexico with no title and has hot tags on it. laws only work if everyone is willing to follow them or at least when the fear of not following them is strong. so what normal people register and title and tag and insure their cars, most of us are also legal citizens. if someone is willing to take all the risk associated with being undocumented I have no reason to think they even might follow laws about car tags or anything else for that matter. we are talking about someone that was willing to come here breaking laws and kill someone, why would we even consider that he is following the law about anything? cars and tags and titles are little things when the bigger picture is considered. moo

 

[Kensie]

If the farm gets sued, which IMO should not happen, time to replace people with robots as much as possible. IMO, the farm is not responsible for the actions of the outside of working hours and outside of the property. Who knows, maybe the just took the car for a joy ride without permission and decided to murder someone.

Life would be so easy if people were responsible and accountable. My dream world.

 

[otto]

I believe the information for this is being held by LE.
One article did say--her clothes were with her body. Which leads many of us to believe they were in the general area.

The fact that her clothes were found with her body is directly from the arrest warrant.

 

[MyBelle]

As a personal matter of choice I agree with you, but as someone else stated upstream, pursuing a monetary reward is their prerogative. If awarded money, Mollie's family could form a non-profit and do something free of cost for victim's of crime, which would honor Mollie's memory.

In terms of it being a long stretch to hold the employer responsible for CR killing Mollie. I didn't say that. All you have to prove is culpability, and I think a savy attorney could do that. Ten years ago, our company was pulled into a lawsuit. We had nothing to do with the injury that occurred on our property, but we were named in a suit with three other businesses. Lawyers for our insurance company did not even want to fight the suit, said it would cost them more money to go to court, so they offered a cash settlement. I also live in the most litigious state in the country, so maybe I'm more sensitive to the possibilities.

I agree with you and hope Yarrabee does the right thing without the need for a lawsuit. Lane Grave's parents set up a wonderful foundation in tribute to his memory.
Foundation created to honor boy killed at Disney resort helps families with kids recovering from organ transplants

 

[MyBelle]

It's not the responsibility of Mollie's family to hold the farm responsible for providing a vehicle to licensed employees - assuming that this is indeed true.

I don't see what this has to do with Mollie or her family.

CR does not hold a driver's license. He didn't own the car. These are actual facts confirmed by LE. Nobody is safe if unlicensed drivers are on public road. It is a crime to drive without a license. I think Mollie's family might disagree with you. I certainly do.
JMO

 

[otto]

I am not sure at all that the farm owns or has titled that car. for all I know that car came in from mexico with no title and has hot tags on it. laws only work if everyone is willing to follow them or at least when the fear of not following them is strong. so what normal people register and title and tag and insure their cars, most of us are also legal citizens. if someone is willing to take all the risk associated with being undocumented I have no reason to think they even might follow laws about car tags or anything else for that matter. we are talking about someone that was willing to come here breaking laws and kill someone, why would we even consider that he is following the law about anything? cars and tags and titles are little things when the bigger picture is considered. moo

Exactly! Where is the link stating that the car that Rivera was driving on the night that Mollie was murdered belongs to the owners of the farm?

 

[MistyWaters]

CR does not hold a driver's license. He didn't own the car. These are actual facts confirmed by LE. Nobody is safe if unlicensed drivers are on public road. It is a crime to drive without a license. I think Mollie's family might disagree with you. I certainly do.
JMO

I don’t think it would make one bit of differnce even if we took a vote because we do not have enough information.

We don’t know who the car belonged to.
We don’t know if CR had permission to drive it.
We don’t know if he had a DL, phoney or otherwise.
We don’t know the extent of the relationship between the Langs and the Tibbett family but they’re obviously not strangers.
So we also don’t know if the Tibbetts family holds Yarrabee Farms responsible.
Even if they did, given all we don’t know, we don’t know if a lawsuit would be successful.

 

[kpm]

Okay--I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but haven't RT's interviews, op-eds, etc. taken an attitude 180 degrees from this concept?

I didn’t say one thing about what RT might be doing

I simply said lawsuits aren’t always about money

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t think it would make one bit of differnce even if we took a vote because we do not have enough information.

We don’t know who the car belonged to.
We don’t know if CR had permission to drive it.
We don’t know if he had a DL, phoney or otherwise.
We don’t know the extent of the relationship between the Langs and the Tibbett family but they’re obviously not strangers.
So we also don’t know if the Tibbetts family holds Yarrabee Farms responsible.
Even if they did, given all we don’t know, we don’t know if a lawsuit would be successful.

We know the car did not belong to CR. LE have refused to identify the owner of the car.
We know CR did not have an Iowa driver's license and that he had resided in Iowa at least four years.

I don't know if Mollie's parents hold Yarrabee Farms responsible but I sure would if it were my child murdered. There really is no good excuse for a business not to use E-Verify.

 

[MassGuy]

I hold no one responsible for this crime, other than CR. Judging by their public statements, neither does the Tibbet’s family. This guy alone, is responsible for his actions.

 

[MyBelle]

We don't know that the car and job played a role in the suspect's decision to murder Mollie. This is a first degree murder charge. If he wanted Mollie, he was going to do what he did regardless of job or car.

CR lived miles from Brooklyn. I believe the fact he had access to a car played a role in Mollie's murder.

 

[1987]

how does CR not owning the car equal the farm must own it?

 

[Jim G]

I would like to see CR's punishment to be the same in kind and degree to that which he gave to Mollie.

 

[MassGuy]

I would like to see CR's punishment to be the same in kind and degree to that which he gave to Mollie.

We all would. But that’s not the American justice system.

 

[mickey2942]

We know the car did not belong to CR. LE have refused to identify the owner of the car.
We know CR did not have an Iowa driver's license and that he had resided in Iowa at least four years.

I don't know if Mollie's parents hold Yarrabee Farms responsible but I sure would if it were my child murdered. There really is no good excuse for a business not to use E-Verify.

That is interesting. And opens up a huge area of liability for employers of undocumented employees. Because undocumented people wouldn't be here if they couldn't get jobs.

If an undocumented worker would do anything, even a car wreck, go after the employer. Huge issue for litigation.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Thinking of Mollie, her family, friends, community and loved ones (ones who loved her), even all of us who didn’t know her or were a part of her life, but have been deeply touched by her life and untimely death at the hands of a terrible predator/killer living in her community.

I’m sure her loved ones are coping with their loss and this terrible tragedy through embracing their loving memories of such a bright star and wonderful person. Rest In Peace, Mollie. You’re being held in so many hearts here on earth as your spirit flies free.

 

[MistyWaters]

We know the car did not belong to CR. LE have refused to identify the owner of the car.
We know CR did not have an Iowa driver's license and that he had resided in Iowa at least four years.

I don't know if Mollie's parents hold Yarrabee Farms responsible but I sure would if it were my child murdered. There really is no good excuse for a business not to use E-Verify.

I got the impression from the press conference held at Yarrabee Farms that the Langs were genuinely shaken by the involvement of one of their employees. So aside from the fact success of a civil suit is totally speculative because of all that we don’t know, you might use the words “hold responsible” but let’s not kid ourselves - the underlying reason for filing civil suits involves bitterness.

Assuming the Tibbett family is not bitter and holds no animosity towards the farm because we don’t know that, another reason to not hold the farm “responsible” is because civil suits totally rip small communities apart at the seams (one against another, win or lose). They also prolong the healing process that everyone connected is presently faced with. These people go to church together, their children go to school together, they celebrate local occasions together. For all we know the history between the two families go back generations. You may not understand that as a valid reason but it’s an example of why most people pick and choose their battles carefully.