Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

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  • #201
I got the impression from the press conference held at Yarrabee Farms that the Langs were genuinely shaken by the involvement of one of their employees. So aside from the fact success of a civil suit is totally speculative because of all that we don’t know, you might use phrase “hold responsible” but let’s not kid ourselves - the underlying reason for filing civil suits involves bitterness.

Assuming the Tibbett family is not bitter and holds no animosity towards the farm because we don’t know that, another reason to not hold the farm accountable is civil suits totally rip small communities apart at the seams and also prolongs the healing process that everyone connected is presently faced with. These people go to church together, their children go to school together, they celebrate local occasions together. For all we know the history between the two families go back generations. You may not understand that as a valid reason but it’s an example of why most people pick and choose their battles carefully.
I agree. The family has expressed the sentiment that they do not hold the illegal community responsible, and it would only make sense that they also don’t see their employer as being responsible.
 
  • #202
how does CR not owning the car equal the farm must own it?

There is a media report, up thread, from a collective news website that claims that Y Farms owned the car. No further MSM chatter or confirmation to report. Site reportedly accepts journalism student reports. Could be WS level sleuthing in the open. Much speculation since report noted as to consequences of this fact per Y Farms. liability...I think the kids likely did good work. Has anyone called the company that towed the Malibu?

Strawberry 8 has still not reported back...

Has anyone noted the similarity between RT's last name and that of a famous guy who flew a plane named after the pilot's Mom, the "Enola Gay"? Different spelling, heroes all.
 
  • #203
CR lived miles from Brooklyn. I believe the fact he had access to a car played a role in Mollie's murder.

I don't think he lived that far from Brooklyn. Mollie was abducted just East of Brooklyn on 385 Ave. The suspect lived East of Brooklyn on 400 Ave.

Mapped it. My position is that the suspect had "previously" seen the victim (linked often upthread). If he decided to victimize her, and if he preplanned the location where he would victimize her, he didn't need a car.

He could have hiked/walked to that location and left her in those fields. The car made it easier to hide his crime, but the car was not necessary to commit the crime.

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  • #204
I agree. The family has expressed the sentiment that they do not hold the illegal community responsible, and it would only make sense that they also don’t see their employer as being responsible.
The father said the killer is not reflective of the Hispanic community. And I agree. There are many Hispanics in Iowa legally and are of fine character. I doubt he knew CR's employer prior to the murder because he lives in California. JMO
 
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Over 50 posts removed due to off-topic and/or bickering.

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  • #207
There is a media report, up thread, from a collective news website that claims that Y Farms owned the car. No further MSM chatter or confirmation to report. Site reportedly accepts journalism student reports. Could be WS level sleuthing in the open. Much speculation since report noted as to consequences of this fact per Y Farms. liability...I think the kids likely did good work. Has anyone called the company that towed the Malibu?

Strawberry 8 has still not reported back...

Has anyone noted the similarity between RT's last name and that of a famous guy who flew a plane named after the pilot's Mom, the "Enola Gay"? Different spelling, heroes all.
Noticed that name similarity when the MT story first broke.
 
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  • #208
@Knox

Mollie's family has made a public plea to stop associating her murder with anything related to illegal aliens, and I assume that includes the car that he used and his employer.<modsnip>

We know that Rivera could have committed the crime regardless of whether he had access to a car.

He could have walked from his home to his previous sighting of Mollie's abduction site - approximately 1.7 miles.

This distance estimate is based on an understanding of Iowa roads where the grid is set by miles, grid road distance is one mile and includes 10 blocks. 385 Ave to 400 Ave should be 1.5 miles.

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  • #209
Speaking of listening to certain songs, I keep thinking of Mollies dad talking about how Mollie loved singing along with Ed Sheeran in the car. As I was driving yesterday, the Ed Sheeran song "Perfect" came on the radio. I always called it Dancing in the Dark, but the real name is "Perfect." As I sang along, I couldn't stop thinking of Mollie,and how many times she and Dalton must have listened to that song, and maybe even danced to it. I remembered the last video of her and can easily see her singing that song at the top of her lungs, hair flying from the open windows and hamming it up like she did in that video. It made me so sad as I started thinking of her and Dalton, that maybe one day if they had gotten married they may have danced to that song. Such a beautiful song and will always remind me of Mollie.
 
  • #210
I don't think he lived that far from Brooklyn. Mollie was abducted just East of Brooklyn on 385 Ave. The suspect lived East of Brooklyn on 400 Ave.

Mapped it. My position is that the suspect had "previously" seen the victim (linked often upthread). If he decided to victimize her, and if he preplanned the location where he would victimize her, he didn't need a car.

He could have hiked/walked to that location and left her in those fields. The car made it easier to hide his crime, but the car was not necessary to commit the crime.

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CR needed a car to find and then stalk Mollie, abduct her and to dispose and conceal her body many miles away. None of that could have happened if he had been on foot. I think this was a premeditated, well-planned crime. JMO
 
  • #211
CR needed a car to find and then stalk Mollie, abduct her and to dispose and conceal her body many miles away. None of that could have happened if he had been on foot. I think this was a premeditated, well-planned crime. JMO

The Casey's employee reported that Rivera often came to the store with two friends. He was not alone, he was quiet and spoke Spanish. He did not have to drive a car to be in Brooklyn, or to "previously" see Mollie. His friends could have legally driven the car when he saw Mollie.

After he saw Mollie and knew her running route, he didn't need a car to abduct and murder her. He could have done the same thing on foot, but it would be far riskier.

Definitely pre-planned. He knew her route, circled the block, then she ran by, then she's gone.
 
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  • #212
Thinking of Mollie, her family, friends, community and loved ones (ones who loved her), even all of us who didn’t know her or were a part of her life, but have been deeply touched by her life and untimely death at the hands of a terrible predator/killer living in her community.

I’m sure her loved ones are coping with their loss and this terrible tragedy through embracing their loving memories of such a bright star and wonderful person. Rest In Peace, Mollie. You’re being held in so many hearts here on earth as your spirit flies free.

The departed live on as long as we hold them in our memories and hearts...
 
  • #213
The Casey's employee reported that Rivera often came to the store with two friends. He was not alone, he was quiet and spoke Spanish. He did not have to drive a car to be in Brooklyn, or to "previously" see Mollie. His friends could have legally driven the car when he saw Mollie.

After he saw Mollie and knew her running route, he didn't need a car to abduct and murder her. He could have done the same thing on foot, but it would be far riskier.

Definitely pre-planned. He knew her route, circled the block, then she ran by, then she's gone.
I agree. CR reminds me of a spider (actions and looks) who spun a web to catch his "prey", one way or the other :eek: JMO
 
  • #214
I don't think he lived that far from Brooklyn. Mollie was abducted just East of Brooklyn on 385 Ave. The suspect lived East of Brooklyn on 400 Ave.

Mapped it. My position is that the suspect had "previously" seen the victim (linked often upthread). If he decided to victimize her, and if he preplanned the location where he would victimize her, he didn't need a car.

He could have hiked/walked to that location and left her in those fields. The car made it easier to hide his crime, but the car was not necessary to commit the crime.

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Otto. You know I’m an admirer, but honestly how could he have transported and hidden anything in a bicycle? Of course the car was important. It was a part of the plan.
 
  • #215
As a parent, I would be beyond devastated.
I can’t even imagine the horrific pain that Mollie’s parents feel.

If Mollie was familiar with CR, she probably knew him by CR; not John Budd.

I hope that justice is swift in this case.
Continuing to pray for those that knew and loved Mollie.
 
  • #216
The Casey's employee reported that Rivera often came to the store with two friends. He was not alone, he was quiet and spoke Spanish. He did not have to drive a car to be in Brooklyn, or to "previously" see Mollie. His friends could have legally driven the car when he saw Mollie.

After he saw Mollie and knew her running route, he didn't need a car to abduct and murder her. He could have done the same thing on foot, but it would be far riskier.

Definitely pre-planned. He knew her route, circled the block, then she ran by, then she's gone.

I believe Mollie's bf said Mollie ran several different routes. CR had no way of knowing when, where or even if Mollie would be running that day. He needed a car to FIND her first. LE has seized two cars in this case. It is possible the car CR used to abduct is not the car he used to dispose of her body but the fact is CR used a car.
 
  • #217
I believe Mollie's bf said Mollie ran several different routes. CR had no way of knowing when, where or even if Mollie would be running that day. He needed a car to FIND her first. LE has seized two cars in this case. It is possible the car CR used to abduct is not the car he used to dispose of her body but the fact is CR used a car.
do we know in fact that two were seized? is there a article somewhere?
 
  • #218
Oh but he needed the car...to ensure his anonymity and so he could get away with it..but let's be clear, the car did not kill Mollie
 
  • #219
I got the impression from the press conference held at Yarrabee Farms that the Langs were genuinely shaken by the involvement of one of their employees. So aside from the fact success of a civil suit is totally speculative because of all that we don’t know, you might use the words “hold responsible” but let’s not kid ourselves - the underlying reason for filing civil suits involves bitterness.

Assuming the Tibbett family is not bitter and holds no animosity towards the farm because we don’t know that, another reason to not hold the farm “responsible” is because civil suits totally rip small communities apart at the seams (one against another, win or lose). They also prolong the healing process that everyone connected is presently faced with. These people go to church together, their children go to school together, they celebrate local occasions together. For all we know the history between the two families go back generations. You may not understand that as a valid reason but it’s an example of why most people pick and choose their battles carefully.

Immediately, post 9/11, I was in K-mart, and had an interaction with a young lady over toilet paper, of all things. And then I realized, that it was not just her, but everyone. Everyone was looking to touch out, and find solidarity with the people they met. We all felt a common threat, and we were all looking for someone to stand beside to face it.

Before Pearl Harbor, my father was an electrical linesman in New Orleans. Because of his trade, he could not be drafted, as his craft was too vital for the infrastructure that was needed to build the manufacturing necessary for the war effort. After Pearl Harbor, US Navy officers came to the press gang yard where everybody showed up in the morning to get hired (and you wonder why we have unions). The officers were recruiting trained workers for a new outfit, The Navy Seabees. Rather than sending civilian contractors into combat zones, the Navy had the nutso idea to take the same workers, teach them how to fight, and send them in to do the work, but trained to fight back in an organized way if attacked. My Dad did not have to volunteer, but because of the way that this country felt after Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and MT's death, he signed up on the spot. He wanted to go do something, to do his small part against the coming storm. The backside of his story is that the Navy took a linesman who could work all day in 90 degree heat and 100% humidity, and sent him to the Pacific theater. Not the hot part, but the Aleutian Islands up near Siberia. The only place the Japanese actually landed troops in "America".

My point is that when these devastating occurances happen, we all look to stand to together. It is a primal thing, from a time when we used to sleep in trees, and huddle together for safety.
 
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I agree. CR reminds me of a spider (actions and looks) who spun a web to catch his "prey", one way or the other :eek: JMO

I think so too. A web where he saw her, he watched her, he watched her jogging, he learned her jogging route, he arrived along her jogging route before she arrived and abducted her. We know she tried to get away, so it looks a bit like he hit her in the head at the time of abduction. This is how he explains the blood stain in the trunk of the car.

The minute she was in the car, he knew that she would not live. Did he stab her before the sexual assault, during, after? Who knows, but it happened.

He is charged with first degree murder.
 
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