Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[kpm]

Although CR was hired by Yarrabee Farm 4 years ago, he apparently came to the US when he was 16, in about 2011.

I’m really curious, for whom and where he worked and lived during those first three years. Not because it directly relates to his crime but it might. The odds are much greater he became acquainted with Mollie somehow over a period of 7 years, as opposed to 4 years.

Unless his fake ID has him older he may have had to lay low a few years

This is link is all about hiring teens, what they can do and the hours they can work in Iowa

http://publications.iowa.gov/18470/1/iowateens.pdf

 

[MyBelle]

So just thinking about the possibility of a civil wrongful death suit against the farm....I know they Tibbet family will not pursue it. I would bet money they will not. RT stated in the eulogy that MT was not a victim. That it and of itself is a powerful statement as to his beliefs and more then likely his MT's mother and possibly his interpretation of what MT would want.

I have to say if it were me I probably would do the same but there is also a side of me that just might go there. Even if money were off the table totally just my attempt to right the system to make sure it didn't happen to someone else. Not saying if all his employees are of Mexican or South American heritage they must be illegal and murderers but knowing that it WAS possible for someone escaping a criminal past can be an illegal and in need of work, securing illegal documents and perhaps committing a crime in the future, holding the farm responsible WOULD be a deterrent against that happening again. Cleaning the hiring process up would be a good thing. Not sure if I lost my child though that would be foremost on my mind even with a 2 year filing deadline.

Why do you believe the parents won't pursue a wrongful death action? I'm not sure what RT meant when he said Mollie was not a victim because I didn't hear his comments. She absolutely is a murder victim. It was an very heinous crime. Why wouldn't he want to sue a business that acted so recklessly in its hiring practices? I just don't get this line of thinking.

 

[JenniD]

Although CR was hired by Yarrabee Farm 4 years ago, he apparently came to the US when he was 16, in about 2011.

I’m really curious, for whom and where he worked and lived during those first three years. Not because it directly relates to his crime but it might. The odds are much greater he became acquainted with Mollie somehow over a period of 7 years, as opposed to 4 years.

Please explain why you think the odds are greater that he became acquainted with MT earlier than when he worked for YF

 

[RavenCC2020]

This case is a catch-22

You have an illegal who illegally drove a vehicle to go murder and possibly SA MT, he will pay for his crime, hopefully for life!

Then you have a company that hired, housed and possible supplied a vehicle to CR

A company that has turned a blind eye to who it hires, and one of their hires brutally murdered a person

See that is the quandry that I just posted about. There IS a case to be made for taking them to court that is totally 100% justifiable. The issue here is grieving parents and their desire to keep this as clean as possible in rememberance of their daughter. Not the best time for anyone to be taking on such a huge issue.

It is too bad that the community itself can't take a stand and file a class action suit against the farm. Problem with that is these are small town people who aren't likely to do that either as they all know each other and are somewhat close. This is were the government should be able to step in and do something about it. Fining them up the yang and perhaps shutting them down for a time to ensure they understand their part in all of this because they are culpable to a certain degree simply by their negligent hiring process.

 

[scarlettbones]

Could be possible. What we don’t know is the existence or extent of a code of honour amongst the group who lived and worked together. Within some circles if one person gets caught they’d take the full responsibility and never implicate others who were involved. (The opposite of blame but I don’t remember if there’s another name for it.)

It's not a farm full of ninjas. They're immigrants, possibly legal/illegal. No one is taking the blame for a murder they didn't commit or covering for others. JMO.

Edited to clarify because apparently it wasn't clear.

 

[kpm]

According to this quote by a retired federal prosecutor, it’s not certain it’d be correct to say the company turned a blind eye. It appears there are flaws in the system.

“Employers typically do not face legal consequences for hiring a worker under false documents as long as they were not involved in obtaining them and had no other obvious reason to suspect they are fraudulent, said Bob Teig, a retired federal prosecutor in Iowa.

“Absent unusual circumstances, it would be difficult to show they knew any more than what they were told,” Teig said, adding that it would be “pretty racist” to assume a John Budd could not be Hispanic.“
Immigrant charged in Tibbetts' death used 'John Budd' alias to secure job at Yarrabee Farms

I think they would have ever right to suspect “John Budd” could possibly be fraudulent and had every right to dig deeper

And if accused of being racist then so be it, better than hiring someone who’s scamming you and turns out to be a killer.

 

[MistyWaters]

Please explain why you think the odds are greater that he became acquainted with MT earlier than when he worked for YF

If he lived in or around Brooklyn durung the first 3 years, 7 years in and around a community is longer than 4.

 

[MyBelle]

This case is a catch-22

You have an illegal who illegally drove a vehicle to go murder and possibly SA MT, he will pay for his crime, hopefully for life!

Then you have a company that hired, housed and possible supplied a vehicle to CR

A company that has turned a blind eye to who it hires, and one of their hires brutally murdered a person

We also still don't know that Mollie's murder is his first crime.

 

[JenniD]

If he lived in or around Brooklyn durung the first 3 years, 7 years in and around a community is longer than 4.

Agreed if he lived in that area but I am not certain if we have any idea where he lived. Good point though

 

[Confusion]

It's not a farm full of ninjas. They're immigrants, possibly legal/illegal. No one is taking the blame for a murder. JMO.

Well, since he confessed, he's obviously taking the blame for it. That doesn't mean that nobody else was involved in the murder, although it is unlikely. MOO

 

[kpm]

See that is the quandry that I just posted about. There IS a case to be made for taking them to court that is totally 100% justifiable. The problem is grieving parents and their desire to keep this as clean as possible in rememberance of their daughter.

It is too bad that the community itself can't take a stand and file a class action suit against the farm. Problem with that is these are small town people who aren't likely to do that either. This is were the government should be able to step in and do something about it. Fining them up the yang and perhaps shutting them down for a time to ensure they understand their part in all of this because they are culpable to a certain degree simply by their negligent hiring process.

Feds may step in and file charges against the farm

 

[MyBelle]

I think they would have ever right to suspect “John Budd” could possibly be fraudulent and had every right to dig deeper

And if accused of being racist then so be it, better than hiring someone who’s scamming you and turns out to be a killer.

Digging deeper to determine authenticity of documents isn't racism. They could have used E-Verify and chose not to. They hired CR. Nothing racist about it. JMO

 

[Confusion]

I wouldn’t care about money, I wouldn’t want to stop the next Mollie from losing her life and probably set up a memorial to donate the money to the cause I was fighting for.

I'm guessing you meant that to say I would want to stop the next Mollie from losing her life... MOO
Carry on.

 

[kpm]

Digging deeper to determine authenticity of documents isn't racism. They could have used E-Verify and chose not to. They hired CR. Nothing racist about it. JMO

And sadly they just didn’t take that extra step

 

[MistyWaters]

Unless his fake ID has him older he may have had to lay low a few years

This is link is all about hiring teens, what they can do and the hours they can work in Iowa

http://publications.iowa.gov/18470/1/iowateens.pdf

Thanks. I also noticed the age of majority in Iowa is 18 so if he was 16 when he illegally arrived, he was still considered a juvenile.

In 2011, does anyone know what would have happened to CR if an employer had say, used E-Verify and determined his ID was fake? What would’ve been the hypothetical repercussions to a 16 year old illegal immigrant?

 

[kpm]

I'm guessing you meant that to say I would want to stop the next Mollie from losing her life... MOO
Carry on.

yes, thank you for catching that!

 

[MsBetsy]

Why do you believe the parents won't pursue a wrongful death action? I'm not sure what RT meant when he said Mollie was not a victim because I didn't hear his comments. She absolutely is a murder victim. It was an very heinous crime. Why wouldn't he want to sue a business that acted so recklessly in its hiring practices? I just don't get this line of thinking.

As I stated before, I don't believe they would even consider it. There is no compensation for the loss of a child. Just as some people don't understand why they wouldn't do it, others can't comprehend how they would. There is absolutely no benefit that would come of it. If they want to raise money for a worthy cause, there are other ways to do it. Look how fast they came up with the reward money. As I understand they gave it all back. This doesn't seem like the type of family that would use the death of their daughter to get money. Also, why would he want to sue a hardworking farmer who most definitely already feels horrible about what happened? Why would he wish harm on someone like that? There is just no way I can see that happening. Jmo

 

[RavenCC2020]

Why do you believe the parents won't pursue a wrongful death action? I'm not sure what RT meant when he said Mollie was not a victim because I didn't hear his comments. She absolutely is a murder victim. It was an very heinous crime. Why wouldn't he want to sue a business that acted so recklessly in its hiring practices? I just don't get this line of thinking.

I've pretty much laid out why this is in recent posts. Just scroll back.

As far as how we see MT and how her dad chooses to see her are two seperate things. He made that statement clearly because he does not wish for her to be remembered simply as a victim. He chose those words specifically. This is not a man who spews words off the top of his head. Thought went into everything he said since day one.

So yes, of course she is a victim of a heinous crime and we all agree with that. But for dad that is not how he sees it and that is the way it is. I guess it is his own way to cope with this tragedy which is clearly his right.

 

[kpm]

Thanks. I also noticed the age of majority in Iowa is 18 so if he was 16 when he illegally arrived, he was still considered a juvenile.

In 2011, does anyone know what would have happened to CR if an employer had say, used E-Verify and determined his ID was fake? What would’ve been the hypothetical repercussions to a 16 year old illegal immigrant?

He would have either been deported of placed with the relatives here

He may have had the opportunity to be a “dreamer or DACA” and didn’t take advantage of it

If he was really 16 when he got here he should have been in school

 

[scarlettbones]

Well, since he confessed, he's obviously taking the blame for it. That doesn't mean that nobody else was involved in the murder, although it is unlikely. MOO

I meant that no one was volunteering to take the blame, in response to the reply I quoted. He obviously confessed and is the one responsible. I really think, IMO, JMO, MOO that him sacrificing himself to cover-up for others is really, really reaching.