Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[JenniD]

I wonder if all the cars located on the farm were searched

This news article from a local newspaper shows both cars being towed and indicates this occurred prior to press conference and I believe the articles regarding where CR lived were after the press conference if I remember correctly
The 2nd car may or may not be relevant to this case
The Search For Mollie Ends In Heartbreak - Oskaloosa News

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Probably because it's irrelevant -- CR did not steal the car. It appears he used it with permission.

Mimi think it may have been an at will use. The keys hanging in the barn for whoever to take when needed.

Regardless if there’s a lawyer who wants to be a plaintiffs attorney in this case, the business is likely to be sued.

Notice I’m not addressing the plaintiff issue. I would be very surprised if any of mollies family would file. The business owners are acquaintances and friends of her mother iirc.

I think while it’s nice we hash it out there will not be much additional info out there for a while.

 

[kpm]

IMO, he used it to portray an image. Why, I have no idea - acting like some hotshot works for me, lol.

I think the original image was of evidence gathered in some kind of gang bust, but I don't speak/read Spanish, so it's hard to tell. And probably irrelevant to Mollie's case.

Ya, I highly doubt it’s related to the case

He wanted the macho image, lol

Unless they find guns at his house, lol, now that would change the whole thing!

 

[MsBetsy]

I think the car may well be a huge factor in the murder trial--that is, assuming that blood, hair, or anything else that can be connected to Mollie, are found in the trunk, or elsewhere in the car.

I suspect that the whole registered/non-registered, licensed/non-licensed issue isn't going to come up.

Yes, I think, they are sure to find evidence or have found evidence in the car. And it fits in with his story. I think the reason for the second part of your post is because we have received very little new information and are so desperate for anything new that it is almost impossible not to veer off in different directions. Before we know it we get swept up in the conversation! I feel bad for people that are just looking at the recent threads for the first time. They must be very confused. All we can do now is keep going over and over what we do know. Who was it that said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results, while expecting differently? That's kind of what it feels like now!

 

[TL4S]

IMO, he used it to portray an image. Why, I have no idea - acting like some hotshot works for me, lol.

I think the original image was of evidence gathered in some kind of gang bust, but I don't speak/read Spanish, so it's hard to tell. And probably irrelevant to Mollie's case.

Yes, exactly my thoughts.

 

[Al Hoffman]

All the discussion here about the farm has me thinking. IMO, I suspect the farm didn’t vet their employees. Of course, I could be wrong.

Their statements are riddled in controversy. They initially stated they used E-verify to vet Rivera then a day later later stated they were mistaken. They used the SS verification process instead which they thought was E-verify. View attachment 146151 An employer has to register with a username and password. They had to know what system they were using. They were never registered with E-verify. They are just now registering for the service.

There is a reason the Department of Homeland Security and ICE were back at the farm. If violations are found, I hope charges are forthcoming under federal law. The owner’s political ties should not give them a pass.


>>snip

Rivera's now-former employer, Yarrabee Farms, on Tuesday said he had passed an employment check. "This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing," Yarrabee Farms said in a statement Tuesday.

>>snip

However, the farm's owners said in a press conference later on Wednesday that the company had determined their ex-employee had used a false name to pass verification. They also explained that while they thought they were using E-Verify, they were actually using a different older system through the Social Security Administration.

"Just within the last four hours we have come to learn that the Social Security Administration employment verification service is not the same as E-Verify," said Dane Lang, co-owner and manager of the farm. "We're signing up for e-verification, and we intend to fully vet everyone through the E-Verify system."

Man charged in Mollie Tibbetts death didn't go through E-Verify

The other, older system is the SSNVS, and it can be accessed on line or by calling 1-800-772-6270 to speak with an agent. This system is only to verify SSNs for W-2 Forms, and not for I-9 verifications per se. But it is OK and LEGAL to use in Iowa to "vet" farm workers for employment as the law does not mandate E-Verify use. The SSVNS handbook even notes that the phone access to the system is for the use of farmers hiring workers. Either system only "vets" the info on the new hire supplied documents, not anything about the person presenting the documents. The SSNVS use handbook specifically cautions about taking action against an applicant based on info from the system over immigration issues because any such action could "subject the employer to anti-discrimination or labor law sanctions", and to NOT use information from the system to take punitive action action against an applicant for this reason. Also, under Federal EEOC Law, the employer is forbidden from asking the applicant ANY question about race or national origin.

When you use E-Verify you must display a Government supplied poster in the hiring location, in Spanish and English, saying that you do so. If not, there must be a page in the application paperwork containing the same info. This is a sign to an illegal worker that they must present verifying ID that will pass the E-verify systems check, meaning that the SSN is valid, the name matches the SSN, the actual SSN holder is not dead, and the name/SSN combo is not on any DHS/HS "lists". The poster does not say "illegals don't apply here" If your bogus documents are good, the E-Verify system says your papers are good, you work. Biometric IDs are not common yet, E-Verify only vets the paperwork info, not the worker in his boots.

Apparently, the people creating the fake documents can use the SSNVN system to verify if the SSN is "good". The system will tell you if the SSN is on the deceased SSN holders registry.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Hindsight is always a luxury, as we’ve seen from recent articles about others who were creeped out by him, if true

IMO, when you possibly have a situation with numerous illegals the chances of someone speaking up are probably slim and how would you possibly collect the funds if you are illegal?

I wonder a lot about the lady who claims she parties with all of them, the older one who hit on CR and was turned down.

She was a housekeeper there, IIRC, did she notice anything?

I also wonder about any wounds he might have had, which probably wouldn’t stand out too much on a farm, but think of scratch marks on his arms or face, did he wear long sleeves, which I know many do.

Just thinking out loud about all the what ifs.

If asked, any injuries at the time could be explained away with "I went to see my kid, and I got in a fight with my ex, the %$#%." Nobody would go and ask the girl to confirm the story.

 

[rebel123]

In a DM article posted way up thread the one with the 53 year old woman who had been "flirting" with CR she stated he came here at the request of his father to have a better life. His uncle brought him across the border. That is the story she claims he related to her anyway.

I think it's been stated previously; that the townspeople probably knew who was and was not an illegal immigrant. It's, it's own 'eco system'; if that makes sense.

 

[otto]

How could it not come up? It wasn't CR's car and he didn't have a license. That's a crime just as entering the country without authorization is a crime. Why wouldn't the prosecution point this out to the jury? It's an undisputed fact.

The murder trial should focus exclusively on the facts related to the murder. Essentially, the prosecutor will tell a story where each fact, or element of the story, supports one point: that the suspect is guilty of the first degree murder.

The car is one of the critical facts in terms of where it was seen in Brooklyn prior to the abduction, blood evidence in the car, where it was found after the murders, and who was in the car at the time of abduction/murder.

The suspect's status in the country and legal use of the vehicle are interesting points, but couldn't it be argued that those facts could prejudice the jury? They are not relevant to the murder, there is no reason muddy the story with interesting but irrelevant information. That is, it doesn't really matter whether he was driving a stolen or borrowed car, all the matters is that he alone was in the vehicle at the time of the abduction and murder.

 

[kpm]

If asked, any injuries at the time could be explained away with "I went to see my kid, and I got in a fight with my ex, the %$#%." Nobody would go and ask the girl to confirm the story.

Sure at the time it happened possibly and could be his excuse to family and friends

But when LE questions workers, after a completed ME report, they may ask what they saw the month MT was missing

Did you see hand wounds

Did you see scratch marks

Did you see a black eye

Was he limping

 

[Al Hoffman]

Just something to consider, the 20 or types lines on the affidavit only briefly summarizes CR’s confession. Those few words that are typed would’ve taken no longer than a few minutes for him to say, even with an interpreter. But LE said he was cooperative and the interview lasted many hours. So they have a lot more information than what’s been revealed.

If I had to guess, because of his confession I think some kind of plea deal is looming.

There will likely be no plea deal, this case will "make" the careers of the State AG, and the lead prosecuting attorney. And what coin does CR's attorneys have to bring to the table to deal with, aside from saving the State of Iowa the cost of a trial? The State's case is too strong, it will go to trial.

 

[otto]

Sure at the time it happened possibly and could be his excuse to family and friends

But when LE questions workers, after a completed ME report, they may ask what they saw the month MT was missing

Did you see hand wounds

Did you see scratch marks

Did you see a black eye

Was he limping

He worked on a farm, so injuries are easily explained through his work.

Sometimes, when a knife is used in a multiple knife injury murder, the knife becomes slippery with the blood, and the murderer's hand slips down the knife. If the suspect had a large cut on the palm of his hand, that would be significant. Scratch marks, limping and other injuries could be explained as a work related injury.

 

[rebel123]

Of course it would be. It was seized as evidence and he confessed she was in the trunk. It is entirely possible he abducted her using one car and disposed of her using the other one. That's the only reason I can think of for seizing both cars. It is very possible the dogs used in the search "hit" on both cars.

Another reason, could be to check for traces of blood, DNA or anything that might show that there could be other victims before Mollie; I personally don't think CR has been involved in anything previously.

 

[kpm]

He worked on a farm, so injuries are easily explained through his work.

Sometimes, when a knife is used in a multiple knife injury murder, the knife becomes slippery with the blood, and the murderer's hand slips down the knife. If the suspect had a large cut on the palm of his hand, that would be significant. Scratch marks, limping and other injuries could be explained as a work related injury.

You think if he had scratch marks on his face and uppers arms that could be explained away?

A human scratch looks totally different that say from bushes or rubbing against something.

Maybe bite marks?

Maybe MT put up a hell of a fight?

 

[TL4S]

I've been checking out CR's FB public page and it's interesting to me (IMO) because for a guy who doesn't have a DL (under the names we know of, anyway), there's a photo from 2016 that looks like him driving (especially if it is a reverse image), and under his likes he lists two car dealerships, one near Oskaloosa, the other Waterloo, and a motorcycle place near Cedar Rapids. It seems to me he gets around, but that's based only off a few photos, so not much to go on. MOO

 

[Al Hoffman]

Mimi think it may have been an at will use. The keys hanging in the barn for whoever to take when needed.

Regardless if there’s a lawyer who wants to be a plaintiffs attorney in this case, the business is likely to be sued.

Notice I’m not addressing the plaintiff issue. I would be very surprised if any of mollies family would file. The business owners are acquaintances and friends of her mother iirc.

I think while it’s nice we hash it out there will not be much additional info out there for a while.

A long while!

I agree with you. Even if an Attorney would take the case, whom ever he files for must have standing. I don't think that anyone involved with standing will go there. However, if DJ were to become angry or bitter enough....though I would think that RT would ask that he please not.

Just a posit, just MHOO.

 

[kpm]

I've been checking out CR's FB public page and it's interesting to me (IMO) because for a guy who doesn't have a DL (under the names we know of, anyway), there's a photo from 2016 that looks like him driving (especially if it is a reverse image), and under his likes he lists two car dealerships, one near Oskaloosa, the other Waterloo, and a motorcycle place near Cedar Rapids. It seems to me he gets around, but that's based only off a few photos, so not much to go on. MOO

Are they Chevy dealerships?

 

[TL4S]

Are they Chevy dealerships?

The powersport (motorcycle) place is Honda, but the car dealerships are used cars of various brands.

 

[otto]

You think if he had scratch marks on his face and uppers arms that could be explained away?

A human scratch looks totally different that say from bushes or rubbing against something.

Maybe bite marks?

Maybe MT put up a hell of a fight?

I do. Anyone who works on a farm, or in construction, has an easy explanation for scratches, cuts, bruises and limps.

I'm sure that Mollie put up a good fight until she was hit in the head.

 

[kpm]

I do. Anyone who works on a farm, or in construction, has an easy explanation for scratches, cuts, bruises and limps.

I'm sure that Mollie put up a good fight until she was hit in the head.

Yes, if she was able to, I’m sure she fought like hell