Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[Al Hoffman]

Yes, as you described the E-verify system in your post (thank you, by the way,) all the more reason I don’t understand the farm spokesperson’s confusion as to initially saying CR was vetted through E-verify when they didn’t even have the system in place. They had to know the SSNVS system was not one in the same as E-verify, as they claimed. JMO

It's a farm, a family owned business. Re MSM the paperwork was handled by a family employee. If she used the on line version of the SSNVS system, she was using an electronic verification system, just not THE E-Verify system. "Sure I e-verify, I vet the SSNs electronically on line." , and indeed they might have, but not with E-Verify.

THAT ALL HAVING BEEN SAID...

Per MSM the Senior Y Farm owner was on the Iowa Agriculture Board, lobbying the Feds to free up more farm worker visas. He must know the ins and outs of the system. His farm operated within the letter of the law, and his agent using the electronic version of the SSNVS gives him plausible deniability in court over this issue, and the shield of the SSNVS handbook and EEOC law gives him further legally sanctioned ground to justify his conduct.

NEVER skirt the shoals of the law, unless you know where all the rocks are first. To not cross the line, you must first know where it is at. The way the farm operated was by the letter of the law legal. To file charges, the Feds will have to show that they had actual knowledge that they were hiring illegals and/or somehow participated in the fraud, even though EEOC laws mandate that you can't ask hires questions about this. Certainly, there may well be administrative fines, just the cost of doing business.

Do you see all the marvelous wiggle room that this gives a well paid high dollar immigration law attorney in court, as part of a Criminal defense team for Y Farms and it's owners and staff. While we could fantasize about a RICO criminal conviction and Tort over all of this with triple damages, and involving other farms,; the owners could also throw the family member, who filed on the SSNVS as the registered authorized employer's agent, under the bus as she was the one ultimately responsible for the fraud. "We'll put money on your commissary books and pay for your phone calls. Of course, you'll always have a home here when you get out..."

Thanks for your kind post. Anything is possible. Only time will tell.

 

[otto]

We know the location where the incident first occurred, and the start and end range time of the incident. We know where he was at the end range time of the incident. The incident lasted roughly 43 minutes.

In those 43 minutes, Mollie was abducted at or near 1900 385 Ave. Travel time from the abduction site to the body site is 18 minutes. That leaves roughly 25 minutes where something happened at the body site.

 

[FrostedGlass]

His FB pics are a strange contrast to the 12-hour a day, 7 day a week poor, shy farmhand that people are portraying.

 

[MyBelle]

The murder trial should focus exclusively on the facts related to the murder. Essentially, the prosecutor will tell a story where each fact, or element of the story, supports one point: that the suspect is guilty of the first degree murder.

The car is one of the critical facts in terms of where it was seen in Brooklyn prior to the abduction, blood evidence in the car, where it was found after the murders, and who was in the car at the time of abduction/murder.

The suspect's status in the country and legal use of the vehicle are interesting points, but couldn't it be argued that those facts could prejudice the jury? They are not relevant to the murder, there is no reason muddy the story with interesting but irrelevant information. That is, it doesn't really matter whether he was driving a stolen or borrowed car, all the matters is that he alone was in the vehicle at the time of the abduction and murder.

His other crimes matter because they show a pattern of arrogant and complete disregard for the law for years. The judge also said CR may have to go on the sex offender registry. I'm confident all of it will be allowed. JMO

 

[Al Hoffman]

If the evidence is there and the prosecution can prove what you say; then CR is 100% toast.

No, not toast, more like mouldy bread after 50 -60 years in the "box". Iowa had to put their "old sparky" away.

 

[DJD]

I researched the significance of covering a body after a murder. I found it indicates a younger person and the feeling of remorse or not wanting to accept what they did. Other research showed using a knife could indicate some type of emotional attachment to the victim.

 

[MyBelle]

Another reason, could be to check for traces of blood, DNA or anything that might show that there could be other victims before Mollie; I personally don't think CR has been involved in anything previously.

I'm not sure how you can come to such a conclusion so early in this case. The judge has already said CR may have to go on the sex offender registry so clearly she knows something we don't. JMO.

 

[crhedBngr]

Now I have “let the good times roll” stuck in my head, thanks!

Better that than "It's a Small World After All"!!!

 

[MsBetsy]

You should maybe look into him a little deeper. Dude definitely didn’t have a problem “connecting” with people - MOO

Everything people said about him points to that, imo. Why not actually speak to a person, instead of staring at them, not saying a word and then messaging them over and over again. Not one person has come forward to say they new Rivera well. Except his family who said he was a good father and a few other things. No-one has given an accurate description of his personality except to say he was quiet, creepy, and tried in innapropriate ways to come onto them. How much deeper can you get with the few descriptions we have? The only flattering thing someone outside of his family said he was a hard worker, spent time with his child and that he was a " clean cut American Person." How does this tell us he was capable of having a long term, meaningful relationship? The only one we have heard of lasted one year. Honestly we don't have nearly enough to go on to say he had great relationship skills. If he was using his skill of connecting to people when he approached Mollie than he sure didn't do a very good job.... thats about as " deep" as we can get.

 

[Al Hoffman]

O.K. there is good news on the way; Robots will take over such tasks in the future; I could go into 'War and Peace' on it; two possible outcomes; firstly you will fall asleep, secondly the guys on the thread will throw 'hubcaps' at me!!

While some of this hardware is currently available, and some farms can afford and use it, there will always be a need for Manuel's manual labor on the farm, on to the end of this Century and beyond. Someone has to pay for the cost of implementing the automation you speak of, and someone must still wrangle cows, and the consumer will pay the price.

Ever watched the movie "Soilent Green"? In the end, a "closed system" could be a cheaper more efficient way to go (and perhaps more amenable to automation), especially with less elderly mouths to feed.

 

[otto]

His other crimes matter because they show a pattern of arrogant and complete disregard for the law for years. The judge also said CR may have to go on the sex offender registry. I'm confident all of it will be allowed. JMO

There's no reason to prove that the suspect is arrogant or that he doesn't abide by the law. All that matters in the prosecution of the suspect for the murder are the facts of the murder. Furthermore, it is implicit in the murder charge that he does not respect the law.

 

[MyBelle]

At most it will pertain to a pattern of behavior. I don’t think iowa is going after him for it. Waste of time resources and public perception. They certainly have quite enough on their plate now.

If this goes to trial it will easily exceed a million dollars. Perhaps two. Sorry I always lean back to my budget years. And I bet Iowa will be adding money to the state trooper budget. The state prosecutors budget and allocating more from the county to the sheriffs budget.

Heck DOT will submit a bill for blocking the road for the time when she was recovered. And the MEs Office. Hotels for STATE EMPLOYEES who searched. Not to mention the $$ spent by the feds. Drone and chopper time.

Ok I’m done. Too much rant this am. I’m over it. These cases come at a serious cost to taxpayers. It’s a crime against everyone.

Exactly. Of course Iowa isn't going to charge CR with crimes such driving without a license but the prosecutor will use it to demonstrate his pattern of lawbreaking behavior goes back to the day he entered this country without authorization (which is a federal, not state crime.) JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

I researched the significance of covering a body after a murder. I found it indicates a younger person and the feeling of remorse or not wanting to accept what they did. Other research showed using a knife could indicate some type of emotional attachment to the victim.

Or it could be that he was just trying to hide the body. I don't think we have any evidence to suggest that he knew her well enough to be emotionally attached. Also we don't know that the weapon was a knife. It could have been a hatchet. Or a variety of things.

 

[otto]

Exactly. Of course Iowa isn't going to charge CR with crimes such driving without a license but the prosecutor will use it to demonstrate his pattern of lawbreaking behavior goes back to the day he entered this country without authorization (which is a federal, not state crime.) JMO

Why is it necessary to prove that the suspect violated the law at some point prior to the murder even though he was never charged or prosecuted for those events? Aren't prior bad acts typically excluded on the basis that they may prejudice the jury?

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly. Of course Iowa isn't going to charge CR with crimes such driving without a license but the prosecutor will use it to demonstrate his pattern of lawbreaking behavior goes back to the day he entered this country without authorization (which is a federal, not state crime.) JMO

Establishing a pattern like this would be relevant in a crime that wasn’t this severe. This is the most serious crime that anyone can be charged with, and no one is going to care if he’s broken the law once, or 100 times. Murder is murder and he’s looking at a life sentence.

 

[Al Hoffman]

Maybe Yarrabee farms will pick up part of the monetary loss to the community and state ?

You, uh, holding your breath waiting for that to happen Cody? If so, I got a bridge to sell you...

 

[Confusion]

Everything people said about him points to that, imo. Why not actually speak to a person, instead of staring at them, not saying a word and then messaging them over and over again. Not one person has come forward to say they new Rivera well. Except his family who said he was a good father and a few other things. No-one has given an accurate description of his personality except to say he was quiet, creepy, and tried in innapropriate ways to come onto them. How much deeper can you get with the few descriptions we have? The only flattering thing someone outside of his family said he was a hard worker, spent time with his child and that he was a " clean cut American Person." How does this tell us he was capable of having a long term, meaningful relationship? The only one we have heard of lasted one year. Honestly we don't have nearly enough to go on to say he had great relationship skills. If he was using his skill of connecting to people when he approached Mollie than he sure didn't do a very good job.... thats about as " deep" as we can get.

Maybe he has autism/Asperger's. Unfortunately, a lot of the description given of him also fits signs of it. The staring at someone would only happen when the person was turned away though, I've never known anyone on the spectrum who was good at making/keeping eye contact. I would really hate for that to be the case since people on the spectrum are already seen as odd too often without being seen as dangerous too. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe Yarrabee farms will pick up part of the monetary loss to the community and state ?

I think YF could be facing some stiff state or federal fines depending on what the two searches turned up. This case has just begun and has a long way to go.

 

[MsBetsy]

His FB pics are a strange contrast to the 12-hour a day, 7 day a week poor, shy farmhand that people are portraying.

He looks very awkward in some. In some it almost seems like he is making an effort to look " cool," and one thing that struck me as odd is that I didnt see one picture of him smiling. Not that there aren't, but if someone can find one I would like to see it.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe he has autism/Asperger's. Unfortunately, a lot of the description given of him also fits signs of it. The staring at someone would only happen when the person was turned away though, I've never known anyone on the spectrum who was good at making/keeping eye contact. I would really hate for that to be the case since people on the spectrum are already seen as odd too often without being seen as dangerous too. MOO

A socially isolated person, with the added barrier of language, would likely exhibit many of these traits. He was out of his element, so it’s difficult to surmise if it was these things, or what you suggest.