Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[MsBetsy]

Is it possible the arrest warrant was issued based on his confession but LE had not yet discovered the exact location of the body but knew based on what CR told them that it was in a cornfield.

That's a good point. I wonder if it lists the time it was written up.

 

[otto]

As someone else has pointed out, the suspect never said that Mollie had one injury. He said he noticed "she had blood on the side of her head". You are making the assumption that the blood would have been from one injury, but that is only an assumption. It could have been from one head wound. multiple head wounds, or, as another poster pointed out, she could have been lying in a pool of blood from an injury or injuries elsewhere. We do not know, and LE has never said. And in my opinion, the odds of her being alive in the trunk are about 50/50 JMO

Good point. After he arrived at the cornfield "he went to get her out of the trunk and noticed blood on the side of her head." I made the leap to assume that the blood on the side of her head was a result of a head injury. I can't think of any other reason for her to have blood on the side of her head. Perhaps the suspect had a nose bleed and that explains the blood on her head.

If Mollie had multiple injuries in the trunk of the car, why did he only see blood on her head? It doesn't add up that she was stabbed multiple times and only had blood on the side of her head, so it is most likely that the stabbing occurred after she was removed from the trunk of the car.

I think he was hoping that the body had deteriorated so much that the multiple injuries were no longer visible.

 

[MyBelle]

It’s placing blame on something other than where it belongs

Obviously people who commit heinous crimes are hardwired differently than the majority

You are aware that addictions do affect that "hard-wiring" right? Perhaps a victim of such actions can explain it better that I can. JMO

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[otto]

That's a good point. I wonder if it lists the time it was written up.

Aug 21 and 3:02PM

 

[Homeschool Mom]

Attached are images from the Gernsey exit to the Montezuma exit going from east to west on I80 this morning. The corn has stopped growing and is starting to brown.

OR he dragged her already dead body, holding her under the shoulders, from the car to the edge of the corn rows, and then hoisted her limp body over his shoulder so that his slim lower torso could "slip" between the rows, with his shoulders and her body bulk only having to push aside the thinner upper corn stalks ("knee high by the 4th of july", and this was only 2 weeks of corn growth later). This rather than fighting to drag a body through the much thicker base of the corn rows.

Of course, any thing could have happened in the open area between the car and the corn rows, including CR stabbing the body multiple times, in frustration because he escalated too fast, at the time of the abduction, and killed her then.

I still think that, per the warrant, that she was dead by 20:28, at or near the 1900 385th location and/or died enroute to the dump site.

But anything is possible, including an intermediate stop at the "Hog Farm (searched by LE) on the way to the corn field body dump site.

This just crossed my mind, I wonder if CR was actually thinking of dumping Mollie at or very close to the pig farm and then for some reason changed his mind as in a car was coming or someone was visible from the farm? Trying to pin it on the poor pig farmer? Just an idea.

 

[SteveP]

Good point. After he arrived at the cornfield "he went to get her out of the trunk and noticed blood on the side of her head." I made the leap to assume that the blood on the side of her head was a result of a head injury. I can't think of any other reason for her to have blood on the side of her head. Perhaps the suspect had a nose bleed and that explains the blood on her head.

If Mollie had multiple injuries in the trunk of the car, why did he only see blood on her head? It doesn't add up that she was stabbed multiple times and only had blood on the side of her head, so it is most likely that the stabbing occurred after she was removed from the trunk of the car.

I think he was hoping that the body had deteriorated so much that the multiple injuries were no longer visible.

I understand what you are saying, and it makes sense, but isn't it also possible that there was, in fact, more blood on her than just on her head, but he merely mentioned that because he knew that when the car was confiscated, traces of blood were likely going to be found, but he still wanted to distance himself from the gory details?

 

[MsBetsy]

The things I do to research for this thread...

Funny you say that...

Once I was giving a talk, for a group of students taking a National Board Exam, in Davenport, IA. The topic might have been "Microbiology/Public Health, and I was talking about bacterial species that affect the reproductive and urinary tract, questions asked on the exam. The Lady who owned the Board Review Company said the exact same thing to me, as you did...

When I took my Boards, I scored a perfect 800 on my Micro/PH section of the test. My tutorial and my students also raised the overall score on the boards for the entire college...

You might imagine that my diadactic method was a bit unorthodox, but my students did remember the material due to my crazy antics, and passed their boards...

The things I do.....

Nor do I have an urge to go out and kill........

Well I hope that woman was kidding.

 

[human]

He’s making it all up. I doubt if killing a person is considered manly in his peer group. Rather it may show that he is so pathetic that he had to get a woman this way.

 

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[dlharris2712]

I agree. I have no doubt that the majority of people who commit violent sexual crimes against women are probably watchers of , but so is a large segment of the population in general, both male and female, and they do not go out and commit crimes. Likewise, a very large percentage of young males play video games regularly, and yes, many of those are violent games, but again, they don't go out and commit murder. I liken it to the argument that marijuana use leads to harder drugs. In all likelihood, most hard drug users started with or continue to smoke weed, but look at the large number of potheads that never try anything harder. I think pointing to or video games is a cop out to transfer blame to something other than the killer. "The made him do it" or "Violent video games made him do it" remind me of Flip Wilson as Geraldine, saying "The devil made me do it". No addiction is healthy, but we do not even have any indication that CR had such an addiction. I think he is to blame for this murder, not , and not GTA or any other video game. JMO

I agree. Bottom line is he was an a-hole who was looking for someone to assault, and unfortunately MT was his choice for his horrid and perverted actions. I know people who like , drink alcohol and some who smoke weed. And they have never assaulted or killed anyone. The fault and blame for him killing MT is his, and his alone. I hate this guy and am sad for any and everything MT was subjected to that night. Absolutely heartbreaking. Imo.

 

[MsBetsy]

I understand what you are saying, and it makes sense, but isn't it also possible that there was, in fact, more blood on her than just on her head, but he merely mentioned that because he knew that when the car was confiscated, traces of blood were likely going to be found, but he still wanted to distance himself from the gory details?

If he stabbed her over and over before putting her in the trunk, imo there would be a massive amount of blood everywhere, including on himself. That's alot of blood to clean up. It would make more sense to me that he would injure her at the abduction site, in order to knock her out, then commit his messy crime elsewhere. He could have changed there rather than risk driving around with bloody clothes. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

He’s making it all up. I doubt if killing a person is considered manly in his peer group. Rather it may show that he is so pathetic that he had to get a woman this way.

Apparently all his other attempts with other women were not very effective. Imo

 

[SteveP]

If he stabbed her over and over before putting her in the trunk, imo there would be a massive amount of blood everywhere, including on himself. That's alot of blood to clean up. It would make more sense to me that he would injure her at the abduction site, in order to knock her out, then commit his messy crime elsewhere. He could have changed there rather than risk driving around with bloody clothes. Jmo

BBM...We don't know that there wasn't. There very well could have even been blood on the road, but the torrential rains would have washed that away before anyone even knew she was missing. And I know you will agree that no part of abducting and killing someone makes sense. JMO

 

[TL4S]

BBM...We don't know that there wasn't. JMO

That's just it. We don't know. What seems logical may be very different than the reality. Or not. JMO

 

[1987]

I agree. Bottom line is he was an a-hole who was looking for someone to assault, and unfortunately MT was his choice for his perverted choice. I know people who like , drink alcohol and some who smoke weed. And they have never assaulted or killed anyone. Imo.

I still think that perhaps the most danger comes from someone that apparently has no outward clues. if it is known that a person is showing signs of danger then people tend to keep their guard up a little more. a person can be quiet odd and be aware of how odd they are but know to not show that to others. I also think it makes us all feel safer if we think we can or could somehow find ways to class people and somehow know who would or wouldn't be a potential danger.

 

[MyBelle]

I believe the fact that I finished my post by stating that HE, not or video games, is to blame for her death would indicate to most people that I do not consider him a 'normal' guy in any way.

Where in my posts have I remotely suggested CR isn't responsible? Of course he is responsible! I merely responded to a post that mentioned someone who knows him said CR doesn't drink.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Good point. After he arrived at the cornfield "he went to get her out of the trunk and noticed blood on the side of her head." I made the leap to assume that the blood on the side of her head was a result of a head injury. I can't think of any other reason for her to have blood on the side of her head. Perhaps the suspect had a nose bleed and that explains the blood on her head.

If Mollie had multiple injuries in the trunk of the car, why did he only see blood on her head? It doesn't add up that she was stabbed multiple times and only had blood on the side of her head, so it is most likely that the stabbing occurred after she was removed from the trunk of the car.

I think he was hoping that the body had deteriorated so much that the multiple injuries were no longer visible.

OR, could it be that the multiple wounds were all to the head and neck area? If only we knew, sigh.

 

[SteveP]

Where in my posts have I remotely suggested CR isn't responsible? Of course he is responsible! I merely responded to a post that mentioned someone who knows him said CR doesn't drink.

Perhaps you meant to reply to another poster other than me, and it just attached to my post. No biggie. I think almost everyone here knows that I hold CR responsible, and find nothing 'normal' about him.

 

[Al Hoffman]

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[Al Hoffman]

Attached are images from the Gernsey exit to the Montezuma exit going from east to west on I80 this morning. The corn has stopped growing and is starting to brown.

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