Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #44

[MyBelle]

You know, I've been reading about Guerrero, Mexico, and it has a high rate of violence, body dump sites, and insurgent groups. I'm sure CR grew up around some of that. Still he follows it on FB.
Blog del Narco - Wikipedia

Maybe some of that inappropriate behavior came from this mindset and experience, and maybe Mollie's reaction (NOT BLAMING) just pissed him off sufficiently enough to act out on. Maybe to him it isn't any big deal to go dump a body 15 miles away in a cornfield. I don't know.

Yes, right after his arrest I noticed that CR followed that blog, which is an anonymous documentation of Mexico's violent drug wars. Drug cartels threaten journalists which is why that site is anonymous. I think it very possible CR was a participant in that violent activity in Mexico and he could very well be a participant in the U.S. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

Iowa laws classify kidnapping into three categories: first degree, second degree and third degree.

According to Iowa Code § 710.1 a person commits kidnapping when the person either confines a person or removes a person from one place to another, without lawful authority and without the consent of the other to do so.

Moreover, the act of kidnapping must be accompanied by one or more of the following:

• The intent to inflict serious injury upon such person, or to subject the person to sexual abuse.

Kidnapping in the first degree occurs when the person kidnapped, as a consequence of the kidnapping, suffers serious injury, or is intentionally subjected to torture or sexual abuse.

According to Iowa Code § 902.9, the punishment for kidnapping felonies are life imprisonment for a class “A” felony, not more than 25 years of imprisonment for class “B” felony and imprisonment of not more than ten years and a fine of at least one thousand dollars but not more than ten thousand dollars for a class “C” felony.

Iowa Kidnapping/Abduction Laws – Kidnapping

Well that doesn't say anything about length of time but would certainly explain why it was referred to as a kidnapping by LE.

 

[kpm]

Well that doesn't say anything about length of time but would certainly explain why it was referred to as a kidnapping by LE.

It’s Iowa’s laws so I’m going with it, the one I posted earlier was a general description, each state has their own criteria

 

[Jaclin]

That's cool, but I need even more layman style information. Are you saying that the body cells deteriorate not all at once, but in a day or two? Would that mean that if there was internal DNA evidence from the suspect, it may survive for a while, but being surrounded by decaying cell life, that DNA evidence would probably mutate into bacteria of some sort and be completely useless after 33 days?

That's a wild guess, so anyone who can help me understand, appreciate it.

and here I was thinking that dna had some sort of half-life.

 

[MistyWaters]

There have been contradictory reports about the girlfriend. Going from memory, people on the farm said that she moved out after the arrest, other reports say that they split a couple of years ago. Putting the two conflicting pieces of information together, perhaps they were officially split, but they still hooked-up.

DM is the only media I ever recall that even remotely connected IM to CRs residence. That their mutual child “linked” her to his address would also be factually correct as DM chooses not to provide details. If there’s another that stated IM was actually living with him, I’ve missed it.

“Public records also link Rivera's girlfriend Iris Monarrez to the $100,000 house which sits on 39 acres of farmland and is a six-minute drive from the spot along 385th Avenue where Rivera allegedly dragged Mollie into his car...”
The trailer on Iowa farm where Mollie Tibbetts's 'killer' lived | Daily Mail Online

 

[MsBetsy]

That was my understanding as well. One difference between kidnapping and abduction is kidnapping requires being held for 12 hours, abduction does not. Both kidnapping and abduction can include violent sexual assault.

Yes, I think that's in NY . Apparently it varies from state to state. The Iowa definition would explain why LE used the term. Imo

 

[otto]

This goes with the theory the murder wasn’t preplanned in advance, that the stabbing took place spontaneously because for whatever reason CR lost control of himself and his violent tendencies took over.

That CR was a practising Catholic, was later remorseful so he then confessed to any priest who absolved him of his sin from god and who also urged him to turn himself in (which he didn’t do) however it would explain why CR confessed after LE cornered him.

I can understand that story doesn’t hold nearly the fascination of a methodical serial killer with a secret, lurid past.

More than that, we know nothing about Rivera and religion. Nothing. To suggest that an unfounded, fact-less religious theory proves that the murder was not pre-planned has nothing to do with anything.

Rivera did not confess. He was arrested in relation to Mollie's disappearance and questioned about everything from his whereabouts on the night of the murder to whether police will find Mollie's blood in his car. We know the answer to that question. So does Rivera. After admitting that her blood will be found in the trunk of his car - "bleeding on the side of her head" - it would be easy to convince Rivera that it would go easier if he led them to the body.

There's no "serial killer" here. There's a cunning suspect who had a high likelihood of committing another random abduction/murder.

 

[otto]

Jmo but why wouldn’t abduction often lead to murder? I mean, what is the perp going to do...hold someone, abuse or assault them and then let them go on their way? Not very often, imo...

Even if this was not an “abduction” in the sense that he swooped down and bundled her into his car and drove off...as soon as you remove a person from one location to another it becomes an abduction. And then the perp is faced with the decision, if not made already, as to what to do with the victim. Sadly, killing them is often less risky than just walking away. If LE was in fact “surprised” I think it was more by his story, saying he stopped her to “talk” or whatever and ended up murdering her. Not the idea of an abduction turning into a murder. Jmo

This is the big question of the Lindbergh baby.
Sometimes it is to cut losses, other times it was the intent all along.

 

[MistyWaters]

I also dont think the coworkers had any reason to lie about her living there, IMO

Is there a link for this please? I’m just curious.

It has been reported two lived together for a year, then broke up two years ago.......but if they were living together the entire time wouldn’t they’ve been living together for three years regardless of whether it was a romantic relationship or not???

 

[otto]

MOO I don't know that he is a methodical serial killer, but I don't think his confession had anything to do with remorse. MOO When LE discovered CR was here illegally and perhaps some people CR truly cared about were as well, they had leverage.

Wow. Did I miss another news article describing the suspect, Rivera, going to church and confessing the murder?

 

[1987]

Not at all. He was at the mercy of his girlfriend to have access to his daughter, and that may have been linked to a monthly check.

we don't know the situation, but sometimes a woman could be financial dependent on the man and the man dependent on the woman to easily have access to their child so moo they could have not been a couple but still lived together for financial reasons and or to co parent. not saying that is the way it was but a could be. I question about when the child was born, if not married he would have had to sign that he was the father, at least if he wanted to have his name on the birth certificate and to me it seems that would cause a issue with his id.

 

[Jaclin]

DM is the only media I ever recall that even remotely connected IM to CRs residence. That their mutual child “linked” her to his address would also be factually correct as DM chooses not to provide details. If there’s another that stated IM was actually living with him, I’ve missed it.

“Public records also link Rivera's girlfriend Iris Monarrez to the $100,000 house which sits on 39 acres of farmland and is a six-minute drive from the spot along 385th Avenue where Rivera allegedly dragged Mollie into his car...”
The trailer on Iowa farm where Mollie Tibbetts's 'killer' lived | Daily Mail Online

I think that just means they were living together there at some point, or at least they both got mail there. I think public records still link me to my parents house, where I haven't lived in 18 years.

 

[MistyWaters]

More than that, we know nothing about Rivera and religion. Nothing. To suggest that an unfounded, fact-less religious theory proves that the murder was not pre-planned has nothing to do with anything.

Rivera did not confess. He was arrested in relation to Mollie's disappearance and questioned about everything from his whereabouts on the night of the murder to whether police will find Mollie's blood in his car. We know the answer to that question. So does Rivera. After admitting that her blood will be found in the trunk of his car - "bleeding on the side of her head" - it would be easy to convince Rivera that it would go easier if he led them to the body.

There's no "serial killer" here. There's a cunning suspect who had a high likelihood of committing another random abduction/murder.

Did you notice my question a few pages back regarding the priest’s comment pertaining to CR and forgiveness?

 

[otto]

and here I was thinking that dna had some sort of half-life.

Half-life in relation to what? What's the total lifespan of DNA in a deceased body? If we know that, and the rate of decay, such as half-life, we can figure out whether that DNA survived 33 days.

 

[kpm]

Is there a link for this please? I’m just curious.

It has been reported two lived together for a year, then broke up two years ago.......but if they were living together the entire time wouldn’t they’ve been living together for three years regardless of whether it was a romantic relationship or not???

It’s a DM link, the workers said they didn’t know Rivera very well and his girlfriend lived with him and she left the morning of the arrest.

The link been posted here numerous times, if you google Cristhian Rivera daily mail all the articles come up.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think that just means they were living together there at some point, or at least they both got mail there. I think public records still link me to my parents house, where I haven't lived in 18 years.

Yes, a mailing address is a possibility especially if it related to her child.

Somewhere, might’ve been durung the Yarrabee press conference and I don’t have the link on hand at the moment but iirc it was stated CR moved to that particular residence 2 years ago. That date would closely coincide with the 2 years ago that he and IM broke up.

 

[MistyWaters]

It’s a DM link, the workers said they didn’t know Rivera very well and his girlfriend lived with him and she left the morning of the arrest.

The link been posted here numerous times, if you google Cristhian Rivera daily mail all the articles come up.

Oh yes sorry I do remember that one. Anonymous coworkers.

 

[otto]

Is there a link for this please? I’m just curious.

It has been reported two lived together for a year, then broke up two years ago.......but if they were living together the entire time wouldn’t they’ve been living together for three years regardless of whether it was a romantic relationship or not???

Going from memory, I thought I read an article where the suspect's co-workers were quoted as saying that the suspect's girlfriend moved out as soon as the suspect was arrested. Now that I think about it, that doesn't really add up. As soon as the suspect was arrested, the house would have been off-limits to the girlfriend. Confused.

I suppose it's safest to believe that they separated a couple of years ago.

 

[MyBelle]

From what I know of and what I posted abduction is used more with children and parents

I just find it very curious...

I think the officer's use of both terms is because LE didn't know whether Mollie got into his car willingly. She was a friendly young woman and he may have offered her a ride and she accepted. Once inside the car, she realized she was in danger and reached for her phone. I think the story of the earbud in his lap is to try to explain why her DNA would be found inside his vehicle. We also don't know what CR did with the earbud. JMO

 

[otto]

Did you notice my question a few pages back regarding the priest’s comment pertaining to CR and forgiveness?

I did, but sorry, I missed the link.