Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[Jaclin]

However, I do know of one incidence, back in the day at LSU, when a young, enthustiac Vet student was changed for life when she suffered a mishap while assisting in a cow insemination. She was under the hoisted bull, where she insisted she wanted to be, guiding him into the cow when the "misfire" occurred. She came out from under the bull, her head and face covered in white, sticky goo and left the barn crying, saying "I don't wanna be a Veterinarian no more!" I could see how something like that could scar CR for life, and make him angry and bitter. I think the young Doctor stuck with small animal care from then on.

seems like it would be enough to just let the bull alone with cow. now that I think about it, artificial is probably better. I remember seeing a story about an Amur Leopard named Edgar that viciously attacked and killed his mating partner. Anyone assisting that would have probably been cat food.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

LE has nothing at all regarding any previous criminal activity; he's had previous encounters as stated by witnesses; but nothing criminal happened. I think it could be the first time.

At least nothing that LE knows about! As a previous poster wrote (my paraphrase), What about low-profile victims [who actually survived CR's attacks], who wanted to remain "invisible" to LE? (And yes, I understand and respect that some posters believe that the MT case is a first-time/only-time case for CR.) I keep thinking of those words, Character is consistent... But back to FeralWriter's thoughts and ponderings (so well put, too, I might add) on whether or not individuals just "snap" -- for no apparent reason. Until we know more details -- if we do, that is -- CR's motive and history (if any) remain a conundrum. Just MOO!

 

[Al Hoffman]

Do businesses get to deduct employees? They have to pay FICA, FUDA, SUDA.

Labor costs are a big part of any business overhead, and are completely deductable as a legit business expense.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

If I could get something of substance; like independent medical records to show that he has a mental disorder that causes him to 'block his memory' when he gets angry. Also all sorts of reports from experts. Then a 'diminished capacity' defense.

(Sorry, all -- I'm still catching up, and am behind, but reading as quickly as I can, so I don't know yet whether someone has already posted this today...) On the way home after work today, when on the way into a grocery store chain in Iowa, some headlines seemed to leap off the page at me. Something to do with "memory blocks" and CR. Hmm. Could CR's attorneys be closely following WS? I have a strong hunch that they are! MOO.

 

[MyBelle]

If he was paid under the table I highly doubt the owners of the farm would’ve arranged a press conference with the media to acknowledge he was employed by them.

They had to correct the misinformation that E-Verify was used to confirm his identity. Had nothing to do with how he was paid and HS/ICE did subsequently make a two-hour visit to YF. JMO

 

[Al Hoffman]

Cars and motorcycles are no longer simple. They are filled with electronics

And not beyond the abilities of Ex-Navy trained scooter trash.

Also, all new farm machinery is just as tech heavy as a Lexus, even with on board GPS and computers that tells the heads where to put the seeds and spray for weeds. Not to mention AC, sound systems, and air ride seats. It costs money to have a tech come out and wrench for you. A lot of guys still do their own heavy lifting, the stuff being lifted just changes with time. And some farm machinery parts don't change much, as function follows form, like steel points that have to be replaced.

 

[1987]

Cars and motorcycles are no longer simple. They are filled with electronics

not nearly as complex as some would have you to think. a inexpensive meter will tell you all you need to know. if anything if you will work with those electronics cars are easier as you are not on a just throw parts at it mission.

 

[MyBelle]

Do businesses get to deduct employees? They have to pay FICA, FUDA, SUDA.

Yes, those are tax deductions for a business. And those businesses which pay "under the table" do so because they don't really pay those contributions and keep two sets of books. JMO

 

[Deleted member 718]

What can we expect at the arraignment? The state's charges, his plea, what else? Will we get any evidence? Is this when he wears street clothes?

 

[Al Hoffman]

(Sorry, all -- I'm still catching up, and am behind, but reading as quickly as I can, so I don't know yet whether someone has already posted this today...) On the way home after work today, when on the way into a grocery store chain in Iowa, some headlines seemed to leap off the page at me. Something to do with "memory blocks" and CR. Hmm. Could CR's attorneys be closely following WS? I have a strong hunch that they are! MOO.

Not the attorneys, but the reporters at the Des Moines Register. The "memory block" article, was a play-by-play of the last 3 weeks' discussion on this thread, except with more verified experts and less disagreement among the players. Much good clarification of many legal points discussed here. A MUST read for all!

"Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect says his memory was 'blocked.' Could that aid in his defence?"
Des Moines Register- 13 September 2018

I guess great minds DO run in the same gutter!!

 

[Deleted member 718]

Yes, those are tax deductions for a business. And those businesses which pay "under the table" do so because they don't really pay those contributions and keep two sets of books. JMO

Do the employer's compensations of room and board come before or after taxes?

I'm thinking there isn't a time clock at the dairy

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Thank you, Misty.

I look for Defense to get a psych evaluation, and attempt to say that some of the chemicals used at the farm are at fault for his rage... or whatever, since he "was always such a nice, quiet, shy, good, young man". And when that doesn't work, they'll say, "After years of helping bovine fornicate, he just couldn't help himself, and felt he had no other recourse given his situation."

I could never be a defense attorney.

OMG, he helped bovine fornicate? Where did that come from? Helluva'defense for murder lol. Link please and thank you.

 

[SteveP]

OMG, he helped bovine fornicate? Where did that come from? Helluva'defense for murder lol. Link please and thank you.

I sense this is more about bull defecation than bull fornication. JMO

 

[Al Hoffman]

seems like it would be enough to just let the bull alone with cow. now that I think about it, artificial is probably better. I remember seeing a story about an Amur Leopard named Edgar that viciously attacked and killed his mating partner. Anyone assisting that would have probably been cat food.

In my limited knowledge of the subject (4-H'ers please chime in) Dairy cows are too valuable to allow the risk of injury that comes from a "mounting". Like everything else bread for a specialised function they have also become too "fragile".

Today's cows are genetic freaks compared to those that followed the wagons West. Go to the Y-Farms Facebook page, and look at the MASSIVE rear protruding udders on their prize winning cows. Not something you want to see lacerated by a bull's hoof with a risk of infection, and scaring if your show cow, and the plain working girls too.

Artificial insimanation is safer for the cows and the farm workers, and is a more sure method for the production line industrialized management of several hundred Dairy cows that must be kept constantly pregnant or in lactation.

And just think how tired the bull would be...

 

[Caylee Advocate]

So you are calling BS?

 

[SteveP]

So you are calling BS?

Winna winna!

 

[Deleted member 718]

When telling LE where to locate the body, CR had to refer to a map on his phone. Perhaps using his phone's location memory.

This is the only thing I've found that goes along with his blocked memory. He couldn't recall the route to the location. Even though he drove away from there after hiding the body.

 

[Confusion]

At least nothing that LE knows about! As a previous poster wrote (my paraphrase), What about low-profile victims [who actually survived CR's attacks], who wanted to remain "invisible" to LE? (And yes, I understand and respect that some posters believe that the MT case is a first-time/only-time case for CR.) I keep thinking of those words, Character is consistent... But back to FeralWriter's thoughts and ponderings (so well put, too, I might add) on whether or not individuals just "snap" -- for no apparent reason. Until we know more details -- if we do, that is -- CR's motive and history (if any) remain a conundrum. Just MOO!

Everybody has their own triggers, and we have no idea what they are in most cases. Just because there's no reason that's apparent to us that doesn't mean there wasn't a reason for him "snapping". It's always possible that it had nothing to do with anything MT did, but she just happened to be the unfortunate one to be in the line of fire when he went off the deep end. MOO


In case anyone's interested (which I really doubt!), I watched a show on Animal Planet today while sitting at the hospital. It was about some vets, and one of the things they showed on there was a couple vets trying to get semen from a couple bulls to inseminate some cows. You couldn't pay me enough...

 

[fannneee]

Yes, those are tax deductions for a business. And those businesses which pay "under the table" do so because they don't really pay those contributions and keep two sets of books. JMO

In my experience working in a CPAs office, we never saw any clients that didn't want to pay thier share of employment taxes (and for worker's comp insurance in some states) keep two sets of books. Of course we probably wouldn't because no CPA that valued his license would take a client that did that. Most clients we had that didn't want to pay thier share of empoyment taxes etc. paid the person as an independent contractor. Misclassifying an employee would probably not land you in jail like tax fraud would if you got caught in an audit. (assuming they were totally misclassifying the labor expense as supplies or something) In that case you 1099 the "independent contractor" and shift the expense to him.

 

[Deleted member 718]

In my limited knowledge of the subject (4-H'ers please chime in) Dairy cows are too valuable to allow the risk of injury that comes from a "mounting". Like everything else bread for a specialised function they have also become too "fragile".

Today's cows are genetic freaks compared to those that followed the wagons West. Go to the Y-Farms Facebook page, and look at the MASSIVE rear protruding udders on their prize winning cows. Not something you want to see lacerated by a bull's hoof with a risk of infection, and scaring if your show cow, and the plain working girls too.

Artificial insimanation is safer for the cows and the farm workers, and is a more sure method for the production line industrialized management of several hundred Dairy cows that must be kept constantly pregnant or in lactation.

And just think how tired the bull would be...

So, no hook-ups?