Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

[Al Hoffman]

If the identity of the actual John Budd had a birth year of 1994, I can see why CR used 1994 instead of his actual year of birth.

A person named at birth, John Budd, in 1994 probably was living and then died. I had done a search and was surprised how many death records there are for John Budd. I assume that the identity was stolen from a deceased person.

Yes, but the Social Security Administration maintains "Death Files" of SSN recipients who have died. When you verify a SSN through the older SSNVS portal or E-Verify system, it will kick it out if the original SSN holder has died.

This is why you want to start with the ID of someone who died before they ever could have ever received a SSN. Much harder to find today, as hospitals will now routinely insist that you sign the paperwork that allows them to file for a SSN for your newborn, even though there is no Federal law or mandate that requires this. (This is likely done, in case they have to retroactively file for Medicaid on a patient. Especially any patient admitted under the Federal 1986 EMTALA law, the same law which mandates that undocumented alien women in active labor MUST be admitted and treated by any hospital that receives any Federal reimbursement whatsoever!). Prior to 1986, most people under 14 did not need or have a SSN. Federal law requiring SSNs to file dependants on your IRS tax forms changed that. It also opened up a new avenue of income for the underground economy: selling your kid's SSN if you did not need it to file for Taxes, but someone else did. A fertile area for SSN fake ID mining is non-income producing minors, though there could be problems with their digital footprints.

This is why you want to stick with much older dead name templates, a tabula rasa on which to build useable fake document sets.

It is harder to create a legitimate set of fake documents from a person who has a previous footprint in the system, as your efforts to obtain a new, "clean" SSN could get tripped up by their digital trail.

Once you start living under a fake ID, you of course stick with their vital statics such as DOB.

The SSA has issued some 346 million SSNs to date (I think) with 5.5 million issued yearly. Plenty of room in these kinds of numbers, for a motivated, skilled grifter to set to work. The Internet has made somethings easier.

I had acquantances who did this sort of stuff "professionaly", before Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 messed it up for everyone. Things were a lot easier back in the day!

I can talk freely now, because everyone I knew is now dead. I really do miss those characters, and her BIG dog Beau too!

 

[MistyWaters]

I attended a webinar last week and captured this image - reference is in lower left of image. Although many people may not have computers, most have cell phones. 42% of the population in Mexico owns a smartphone.

Rivera's father may own a donkey and he may be poor, but Rivera had to get to school every day in the town that is 11 miles away. I think we can be sure that the children did not ride donkeys to school or wash their clothing in a river. In fact, didn't Rivera have a facebook page with a gun picture that pre-dated his arrival in Iowa?

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In rural areas, the Mexican children ride the dilapidated public buses that stop along the roads, wherever a passenger is waiting. The poverty in Mexico is very real

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In rural areas, the Mexican children ride the dilapidated public buses that stop along the roads, wherever a passenger is waiting. The poverty in Mexico is very real

Kids in my neighborhood in California ride buses that pick them up where they are waiting.

School buses. A lot of them are quite old.

 

[otto]

In rural areas, the Mexican children ride the dilapidated public buses that stop along the roads, wherever a passenger is waiting. The poverty in Mexico is very real

Poverty is real, but so is the fact that cell phones are prevalent in poverty stricken areas. I spent a few weeks in Oaxaca and points South a few years ago. There's a mixture of the haves and the have-nots everywhere in the area. In fact, it seems to be divided between the taller, lighter skinner population and the shorter, darker indigenous population. They still live side by side.

 

[kpm]

Yes, but the Social Security Administration maintains "Death Files" of SSN recipients who have died. When you verify a SSN through the older SSNVS portal or E-Verify system, it will kick it out if the original SSN holder has died.

This is why you want to start with the ID of someone who died before they ever could have ever received a SSN. Much harder to find today, as hospitals will now routinely insist that you sign the paperwork that allows them to file for a SSN for your newborn, even though there is no Federal law or mandate that requires this. (This is likely done, in case they have to retroactively file for Medicaid on a patient. Especially any patient admitted under the Federal 1986 EMTALA law, the same law which mandates that undocumented alien women in active labor MUST be admitted and treated by any hospital that receives any Federal reimbursement whatsoever!). Prior to 1986, most people under 14 did not need or have a SSN. Federal law requiring SSNs to file dependants on your IRS tax forms changed that. It also opened up a new avenue of income for the underground economy: selling your kid's SSN if you did not need it to file for Taxes, but someone else did. A fertile area for SSN fake ID mining is non-income producing minors, though there could be problems with their digital footprints.

This is why you want to stick with much older dead name templates, a tabula rasa on which to build useable fake document sets.

It is harder to create a legitimate set of fake documents from a person who has a previous footprint in the system, as your efforts to obtain a new, "clean" SSN could get tripped up by their digital trail.

Once you start living under a fake ID, you of course stick with their vital statics such as DOB.

The SSA has issued some 346 million SSNs to date (I think) with 5.5 million issued yearly. Plenty of room in these kinds of numbers, for a motivated, skilled grifter to set to work. The Internet has made somethings easier.

I had acquantances who did this sort of stuff "professionaly", before Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 messed it up for everyone. Things were a lot easier back in the day!

I can talk freely now, because everyone I knew is now dead. I really do miss those characters, and her BIG dog Beau too!

They have capitalized on kids too. Sorry it’s all bolded, it’s a cut and paste.

Child Identity Theft Takes Advantage Of Kids’ Unused Social Security Numbers

Experts say children represent an emerging market for identity thieves who steal their Social Security numbers because they offer clean slates that can be used to commit fraud for years without detection. Many victims don’t learn about the crime until they are young adults and find their credit in tatters as they are rejected for student loans, jobs and places to live.


Child Identity Theft Takes Advantage Of Kids' Unused Social Security Numbers | HuffPost

 

[Al Hoffman]

I guess you missed my point. But that's okay.

He does that, but don't stop him 'cause he's on a roll! (sic - Animal House)

 

[otto]

He does that, but don't stop him 'cause he's on a roll! (sic - Animal House)

I didn't miss the point. I ignored the point. I saw no reason to state the obvious: that an arrest warrant contains words in "quotation marks" because those are the exact words spoken by the suspect.

 

[Al Hoffman]

LEO: "Please state your name and age."
CR: "John Budd. 148 years old."

I think that is his brother, the British sailor Billy Budd.

JMHOO - LMAOROTFL

 

[Confusion]

And if they go with 1997 as the correct DOB, then what are the odds they will use the 1994 DOB from the affidavit as yet more evidence and pattern of diminished capacity? He was upset because the police showed up, therefore wasn't thinking clearly when he gave his DOB as 1994?

My thinking on the DOB is that JB was born in 1994 and CR was born in 1997, but it's really hard to say. I've been wondering if his father said that he came to the US when he was 16 because that's what the false documents showed as his age. That would mean he came in 2010, which would make him actually only 13 years old. A 16 year old could probably find work on a farm, which is what it sounds like he grew up doing; a 13 year old would be more likely to just be reported as a runaway. If this is the case, I would have had a lot of sympathy for him because of the life he's lived, until he assaulted MT. I don't care how bad your childhood, or your current life, has been, nothing excuses taking the life of another except in cases where it's the only way to save another life. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, but the Social Security Administration maintains "Death Files" of SSN recipients who have died. When you verify a SSN through the older SSNVS portal or E-Verify system, it will kick it out if the original SSN holder has died.

This is why you want to start with the ID of someone who died before they ever could have ever received a SSN. Much harder to find today, as hospitals will now routinely insist that you sign the paperwork that allows them to file for a SSN for your newborn, even though there is no Federal law or mandate that requires this. (This is likely done, in case they have to retroactively file for Medicaid on a patient. Especially any patient admitted under the Federal 1986 EMTALA law, the same law which mandates that undocumented alien women in active labor MUST be admitted and treated by any hospital that receives any Federal reimbursement whatsoever!). Prior to 1986, most people under 14 did not need or have a SSN. Federal law requiring SSNs to file dependants on your IRS tax forms changed that. It also opened up a new avenue of income for the underground economy: selling your kid's SSN if you did not need it to file for Taxes, but someone else did. A fertile area for SSN fake ID mining is non-income producing minors, though there could be problems with their digital footprints.

This is why you want to stick with much older dead name templates, a tabula rasa on which to build useable fake document sets.

It is harder to create a legitimate set of fake documents from a person who has a previous footprint in the system, as your efforts to obtain a new, "clean" SSN could get tripped up by their digital trail.

Once you start living under a fake ID, you of course stick with their vital statics such as DOB.

The SSA has issued some 346 million SSNs to date (I think) with 5.5 million issued yearly. Plenty of room in these kinds of numbers, for a motivated, skilled grifter to set to work. The Internet has made somethings easier.

I had acquantances who did this sort of stuff "professionaly", before Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 messed it up for everyone. Things were a lot easier back in the day!

I can talk freely now, because everyone I knew is now dead. I really do miss those characters, and her BIG dog Beau too!

While the year varies between the charging document and the financial affidavit (1994 vs 1997) interestingly the birth date of June 11th is exactly the same.

 

[MistyWaters]

Poverty is real, but so is the fact that cell phones are prevalent in poverty stricken areas. I spent a few weeks in Oaxaca and points South a few years ago. There's a mixture of the haves and the have-nots everywhere in the area. In fact, it seems to be divided between the taller, lighter skinner population and the shorter, darker indigenous population. They still live side by side.

I spent a few weeks travelling off the beaten path in that general area between centres by public transportation as well. Cellphones are common in towns and cities but in smaller villages and rural areas, their basic lifestyle hasn’t advanced from 100 years ago. I’d presume the cost of placing cell towers everywhere just isn’t justified. According to this link, the population of Guayabillo is 71 persons.
Guayabillo

 

[Deleted member 718]

He does that, but don't stop him 'cause he's on a roll! (sic - Animal House)

“People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”

<3 <3<3

 

[otto]

I spent a few weeks travelling off the beaten path in that general area between centres by public transportation as well. Cellphones are common in towns and cities but in smaller villages and rural areas, their basic lifestyle hasn’t advanced from 100 years ago. I’d presume the cost of placing cell towers everywhere just isn’t justified. According to this link, the population of Guayabillo is 71 persons.
Guayabillo

Rivera attended Preparatoria 35 education in San Luis San Pedro, Guerrero, Mexico, 7 miles from his home in El Guayabillo.

This is the population of 4236 in San Luis San Pedro where Rivera went to school,:

• 98.40% of the dwellings have electricity
• 83.21% have piped water
• 93.13% a television
• 85.69% a fridge
• 51.88% a washing-machine
• 32.85% a car or a van
• 10.87% a personal computer
• 53.56% a landline telephone
• 41.33% mobile phone
• 8.63% Internet access [probably means internet access at institutions]

SAN LUIS SAN PEDRO (Técpan de Galeana, Guerrero)

 

[Jaclin]

I’m unable to watch that video but did I read here that CRs father rode a donkey to go to work in the fields? Just by that I’m not picturing an urbanized area at all. Computers, internet access or even cellphones are unheard of in remote and poor rural areas of Mexico. Many don’t even have electricity and it’s not uncommon to observe locals collecting water or washing clothes in rivers and streams.

Evidence seems to indicate that it is not very urbanized at all.
However, if this website is true, at least 87% of the people have electricity because that's how many own televisions. A couple articles mention that the village only has 400-500 people. I'm guessing that there aren't a lot of people relocating to El Guayabillo. So, the one's there have likely been there and will remember CR as a teenager. In such a small town, those people would have made some noise if this was a different CR. One of his neighbors would have recognized him and said something like, "Eduardo, isn't that your boy? Come look at the tv." Also, even though CR's father might have rode a donkey to work, if CR was sending money home, his family was probably doing relatively well compared to the others. They probably had a tv. Possibly internet through a cell phone.
EL GUAYABILLO (Técpan de Galeana, Guerrero)

 

[TL4S]

I think this is how his father would know if it is a different CR.

Either way I'd assume one of the uncles could have called to tell the father his son had been arrested. JMO

 

[otto]

Either way I'd assume one of the uncles could have called to tell Mr. Radilla to tell him his son had been arrested. JMO

Looking at the stats of where he lived and where he went to school, I don't think he was washing his clothes in the river.

 

[kpm]

Rivera attended Preparatoria 35 education in San Luis San Pedro, Guerrero, Mexico, 7 miles from his home in El Guayabillo.

This is the population of 4236 in San Luis San Pedro where Rivera went to school,:

• 98.40% of the dwellings have electricity
• 83.21% have piped water
• 93.13% a television
• 85.69% a fridge
• 51.88% a washing-machine
• 32.85% a car or a van
• 10.87% a personal computer
• 53.56% a landline telephone
• 41.33% mobile phone
• 8.63% Internet access [probably means internet access at institutions]

SAN LUIS SAN PEDRO (Técpan de Galeana, Guerrero)

He was also on a soccer team

 

[MistyWaters]

Rivera attended Preparatoria 35 education in San Luis San Pedro, Guerrero, Mexico, 7 miles from his home in .

This is the population of 4236 in San Luis San Pedro where Rivera went to school,:

• 98.40% of the dwellings have electricity
• 83.21% have piped water
• 93.13% a television
• 85.69% a fridge
• 51.88% a washing-machine
• 32.85% a car or a van
• 10.87% a personal computer
• 53.56% a landline telephone
• 41.33% mobile phone
• 8.63% Internet access [probably means internet access at institutions]

SAN LUIS SAN PEDRO (Técpan de Galeana, Guerrero)

El Guayabillo is in the State of Guerrero.
But Guayabillo is in the State of Michoecan therefore the two are different places.

If this is correct, CR’s from Guayabillo, not El Guayabillo.

“If he had done what they say he did, he would have come back here [to Mexico],” Eduardo Bahena Radilla, his father, said in a telephone interview from Guayabillo, a small town in Mexico. “But he’s innocent, so he didn’t run and hide.”
Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case

 

[Jaclin]

I spent a few weeks travelling off the beaten path in that general area between centres by public transportation as well. Cellphones are common in towns and cities but in smaller villages and rural areas, their basic lifestyle hasn’t advanced from 100 years ago. I’d presume the cost of placing cell towers everywhere just isn’t justified. According to this link, the population of Guayabillo is 71 persons.
Guayabillo

This is a different Guayabillo. Your link is in the state of
Michoacán de Ocampo.
CR lived in the Guayabillo that is in the state of Guerrero.http://www.en.nuestro-mexico.com/Michoacan-de-Ocampo/

 

[MistyWaters]

This is a different Guayabillo. Your link is in the state of
Michoacán de Ocampo.
CR lived in the Guayabillo that is in the state of Guerrero.

Is there a link for that please.