Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #46

[Emi]

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Cristhian Rivera murder trial will start April 16 judge says today. #MollieTibbetts

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BREAKING: Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect Cristhian Rivera enters not guilty plea to first degree murder in Iowa courtroom, waving right to speedy trial. Tibbett's dad lives in Fresno.

 

[MsBetsy]

Am I the only bothered by the fact that his facial hair still looks perfectly shaped. I know it's snarky, but....... That was the first thing I noticed.

Me too. I guess he's allowed razors.

 

[The Farm]

I don't think he looked quite as defiant as he did last time.

I thought the same thing and also he looked mad.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

hopefully there will be a video. I am at work at 9am, and part of the world might already be asleep.

Kcci has it.

 

[The Farm]

Me too. I guess he's allowed razors.

Well if they would give him a straight razor he could save the state of Iowa a fortune and we could get this over real quick.
But if he goes to prison he will never have to milk another cow again and be on the prison system.

 

[MistyWaters]

So, no additional charges such as kidnapping, rape or sexual assault?

I’m thinking we won’t see those types of lower class charges because the victim didn’t walk away, she was murdered. Typically how it goes is the Judge gives the Jury various options beginning with the highest murder charge. Then based on the evidence, it’s up to the jury to decide if the defendant is guilty or not guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder or lesser murder charges after consideration of the evidence they’ve heard.

1st degree murder - premeditated intent to murder (admitting to stalking, then chasing, multiple sharp force injuries inflicted are obvious elements)
1st degree murder - felony (death occurred as a result of a committing a felony such as kidnaping or sexual assault, murder not necessarily intentional).
2nd degree murder - no preplanning or premeditation (often a case of crime of passion)
Manslaughter - accidental (but it’d be difficult for a jury to assume multiple sharp force injuries were inflicted accidentally)

In Iowa, the sentence for first degree murder is an automatic full life without any parole. So upon conviction, no additional charges are required to increase full life in prison beyond the felon’s eventual death.

Therefore even if kidnaping or sexually assaulting an alive person is proven by trial evidence, violently murdering that victim after those acts serves to further prove deliberate and premeditated 1st degree murder. Because it can be reasoned the perp intentionally committed murder to prevent the victim from escaping and informing police of the crime that occurred.

JMO

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I'll try to get over to that thread.

It’s interesting but does nothing to spark my interest to participate .

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I’m thinking we won’t see those types of lower class charges because the victim didn’t walk away, she was murdered. Typically how it goes is the Judge gives the Jury various options beginning with the highest murder charge. Then based on the evidence, it’s up to the jury to decide if the defendant is guilty or not guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder or lesser murder charges after consideration of the evidence they’ve heard.

1st degree murder - premeditated intent to murder (admitting to stalking, then chasing, multiple sharp force injuries inflicted are obvious elements)
1st degree murder - felony (death occurred as a result of a kidnaping or sexual assault, not necessarily intentional).
2nd degree murder - no intent
Manslaughter - accidental (but it’d be difficult for a jury to assume multiple sharp force injuries were inflicted accidentally)

In Iowa, the sentence for first degree murder is an automatic full life without any parole. So upon conviction, no additional charges are required to increase full life in prison beyond the felon’s eventual death. Therefore even if kidnaping or sexually assaulting an alive person was involved, violently murdering that victim after those acts serves to further prove deliberate 1st murder because the perp did so to intentionally prevented the victim from escaping.

JMO

I believe they can still amend charges. As when certain lab results come in.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I went to take a look as well. Completely agree. That's one thread I think I will keep read only. I haven't been put on time out before, looking to keep it that way.

If you understand the reason for time out and I didn’t the time is very humbling.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Does anyone know how long all those tests can take? And if they do find evidence will they announce it right away or will they wait until the next time there is a court date?

Another 2-6 weeks at outside. Exception might be forensic anthropologist

His could take time.

They can file motions containing amended charges unless Iowa has deadlines. So just about anytime. By the end of the year all of it should be decided.

Don’t be surprised if trial date changes. And notice the defense attorney mentioned education today again. I think that’s a key to his defense strategy.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I believe they can still amend charges. As when certain lab results come in.

Yes, and also when the jury delivers their final verdict.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Yes, and also when the jury delivers their final verdict.

Not ever at that stage. There could be no defense at verdict.

 

[dlharris2712]

I believe they can still amend charges. As when certain lab results come in.

But...would there be any point to bring/amend more charges - if the most he can get is life in prison? I know there can be consecutive life sentences; but I have always thought that was dumb...since a person only has one life. jmo

 

[Deleted member 718]

Not ever at that stage. There could be no defense at verdict.

Perhaps I misunderstand. The jury has the final say as to the decision. If they don't agree to murder one, but agree on manslaughter.

 

[kpm]

I believe they can still amend charges. As when certain lab results come in.

Ditto

 

[kpm]

Another 2-6 weeks at outside. Exception might be forensic anthropologist

His could take time.

They can file motions containing amended charges unless Iowa has deadlines. So just about anytime. By the end of the year all of it should be decided.

Don’t be surprised if trial date changes. And notice the defense attorney mentioned education today again. I think that’s a key to his defense strategy.

They sure are pointing it out at every chance

 

[Mica]

I thought the same thing and also he looked mad.

Pure evil.

 

[rebel123]

But...would there be any point to bring/amend more charges - if the most he can get is life in prison? I know there can be consecutive life sentences; but I have always thought that was dumb...since a person only has one life. jmo

The sentences can go into triple digits; but it's about 'justice being seen to be served'. Cancel that six digits;

The world's longest prison sentences

 

[rebel123]

Pure evil.

He looked more aware then his previous appearance.

 

[agilbe]

He looked more aware then his previous appearance.

I suspect he was in a state of shock the first time around, and maybe on information overload. He's had awhile to think about what the future holds for him. JMO