Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #46

[Al Hoffman]

I'm ready for the verdict and justice for Mollie already. Do we have any reason to think that CR's attorneys will want more than 90 days before trial?

Absolutely, 90 days is way too short to mount a credible defence in this case. After discovery, the Defence team will have a mountain of evidence to go through, which will open up new lines of inquiry, and more requests for money from the bottomless State pocket, and more PI investigation. Also, the need for extensive Psychiatric, personality and Medical testing to be scheduled and performed (more State money). Also, consultation with expert witnesses (even more State money) after all the testing is completed.

There is no reason for the Dynamic Iowa Legal Duo (cue the DILD theme music) to not wave CR's right to a speedy trial. There us nothing to gain by running pell mell to trial. Time is always on the Defense's side.

Besides, no matter what the family and the State pay the IDLD, this one case will make them wealthy if they treat CR right, even if he goes to State Prison for life. From this, they will build a word-of-mouth, walk-in Central Iowa (and beyond) Hispanic based practice that will support them and their children comfortably, for the rest of their lives!

This trial is 18 months to 2 years off. IMHOO

After my stepdaughter killed her daughter in Mississippi, it was 3.5-ish years before she entered into a plea deal and was sent to State Prison. No trial. I would not hold my breath over this, waiting for a trial. (Her legal fees were paid by anti-death penalty money out of England.).

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,

Time for bed. See you bright an early before 7:30 AM Mountain time.

G'night,
Tricia

 

[Harmony 2]

Good morning! The thread is open for discussion.

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[MsBetsy]

You mean like Lennie in "Of Mice and Men"? (Not my original post, another up thread suggested this before me). In that narrative, Lennie was profoundly developmentally delayed, and he killed from a profound sense of ignorance, from not knowing better, and simply not remembering that if you squeezed a living thing too hard it will die. Even George acted from a motive of agapae.

CR does not appear to have any significant intelligence deficits, and appears to have operated from lust (and by your previous narrative) cunning, guile and planning. Somethings a Lennie could have never done. Over a period of years, CR courted and married a girl, fathered a child, drove a car, and successfully lived a double life as part of a underground culture and economy, brazenly in the open. Are you implying that the Defence will present a narrative that could even include the Uncle, who worked on the farm, as the Latino George to CR's Lennie? If CR was that much of a simpleton, someone would have had to guide him at every step of his life. That pig won't fly in front of an Iowa jury!

Nor will an Automatism defence. Per his released confession, CR has already admitted to his intent to peruse MT with implied ill intent. I do not think that it is a major leap for any reasonable and prudent juror to see this as a plan to abduct and cause harm to MT. Regardless of what CR may have done in a supposed fugue state, the assault he initiated while compos mentis (by his own words) directly lead to MT's death. The Felony Murder Rule allows for a Murder One charge and conviction based on the lesser included charge if the victim's death is a result of that initiating crime.

Simply stated, CR brought the dog that killed MT to the rural highway where she died, he unleashed it, set it on her and she died as a result. He is guilty of her murder, even if he can't recall doing it.

Many apparently confuse formal education with native intelligence. Poncho Villa, the Generalismo who helped to lead a revolutionary army that overthrew a government had little education past literacy as a teen. He had to quit school to sharecrop and help his mother after his father died. He became a bandit at 16, after tracking down and killing a man that raped his sister. The U.S. sent General "Black Jack" Perishing to deal with him, and the U.S. Army studied Villas tactics, as he was a brilliant military field tactatian. A bandit with less than a 6th grade education. His early life not so different from CR's early life.

That may have stemmed from my statement about John Budd sounding like a character in a Steinbeck novel. I did not realize someone had extended that idea! Concerning his education, I just wanted to point out that it is very easy to test for determination for grade level. He may very well be on a sixth grade level at this time, we don't know how well he did in school, or what the level of education is where he attended. He may have even started high school, but his attendance was poor or for whatever reason he did not complete the grade. We all knew he was never the brightest bulb! Having said this, I don't think that will show he has little understanding of court proceedings or his ability to be successful in the real world. We know he had to make intelligent steps to get to where he is, or was when he was a normal functioning person on the farm. Do we know his IQ test results? Pschological tests? That will reveal more to enable us to see where the defense is going with this. Grade level means very little to me. I've seen very bright people who are on a fourth grade level. If they can read and write, they can learn in other ways. And of course there is life experience. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree that it seems his attorneys are trying to paint him as an absolute moron that should be pitied. I don't think his education is even relevant. It's not like he has really bad down syndrome with the mental capacity of a 8 year old. He has the capacity of a regular 21 or 24 year-old. His ability to find the value for N has nothing to do with understanding right and wrong and that breaking laws have consequences.

I think you are right. Grade level means very little. It does not prove a thing. Jmo

 

[Jerrod]

Already another senseless murder of a promising Iowa college coed:

Man charged with murder in killing of recent Iowa State golf star who was found dead at Ames golf course

 

[dlharris2712]

I'm ready for the verdict and justice for Mollie already. Do we have any reason to think that CR's attorneys will want more than 90 days before trial?

I am ready for no trial and no verdict. But would like to see Mollie's boyfriend and older brother given an hour in a room with CR. After the hour was up, all they would need is a pine box - to throw out in a cornfield and cover with corn hulls. imo

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I am ready for no trial and no verdict. But would like to see Mollie's boyfriend and older brother given an hour in a room with CR. After the hour was up, all they would need is a pine box - to throw out in a cornfield and cover with corn hulls. imo

I don’t think it would go that way.

CR May end up as a poster child for mentally challenged criminals appealing to everyone’s emotions.

Let him stand trial. Allow a jury to decide. And who knows what information may be revealed about him.

 

[MsBetsy]

Hi everyone! Just checking in to see how things are going. Not much new I see. His plead of not guilty is no surprise. I think that's very common in a case like this. Too bad. So I guess it's certain that there will be a trial? I have been following the Sharon Watts and children case. They can really use some intelligent posters over there. It's a whole different ball game. Lately it's like the thread gone wild.... I really wish some would check it out. There have been some smart cookies on this case and we could use your help. Such a tragedy. I think it just got shut down so I'm just checking in. I noticed some lawyers commented so I will be interested in that. In fact I would love to see Aletheas opinion on the other case. Crazy over there.

 

[The Farm]

I can only participate in one disaster at a time. I do go over and take a look at that thread and was on there at the beginning but this one has my full attention even though it is crawling like a snail.

 

[rebel123]

Okay. But Mollie was a daughter as well and I’m certain the loss of her life will take prominence over any pity party a defence might try to introduce.

Cases can be lost due to the prosecution’s failure to introduce adequate evidence to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt the defendant is guilty. In this particular case I think it’d be really unlikely for a jury to ignore (presumed) strong evidence out of sympathy toward him.

I haven't said otherwise.

 

[cody22]

Hi everyone! Just checking in to see how things are going. Not much new I see. His plead of not guilty is no surprise. I think that's very common in a case like this. Too bad. So I guess it's certain that there will be a trial? I have been following the Sharon Watts and children case. They can really use some intelligent posters over there. It's a whole different ball game. Lately it's like the thread gone wild.... I really wish some would check it out. There have been some smart cookies on this case and we could use your help. Such a tragedy. I think it just got shut down so I'm just checking in. I noticed some lawyers commented so I will be interested in that. In fact I would love to see Aletheas opinion on the other case. Crazy over there.

Too wild and petty over there for me..... They seem frustrated by no new info, and a long time to trial.

 

[rebel123]

BBM

Not True!

"Lawyers’ Duties to the Court

• We will not knowingly misrepresent, mischaracterize, misquote or miscite facts or authorities in any oral or written communication to the court."

Standards for Professional Conduct - The Iowa State Bar Association

To be honest; lawyers are probably in the top 10 of least trusted professionals; from experience their honesty is questionable.

 

[rebel123]

you may be right, but I would think it would be better to have an idea of where the balls might possibly be coming from so you could prepare to defend yourself against them.

I think an attorney would have advised CR to zip it. I think Althea is right. A smart person knows to ask for his attorney before talking to police, especially if they are guilty. He probably did have a translator present because if his English is as bad as they're implying it is, they would have had a hard time being sure that he understood the questions and understanding the replies.

He would of been read his Miranda Rights; they would of been translated to him -
'Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish.'

 

[Cococat]

Will Wednesday's court appearance be televised?

 

[rebel123]

Will Wednesday's court appearance be televised?

Yes, I think so, try KCCI.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Absolutely, 90 days is way too short to mount a credible defence in this case. After discovery, the Defence team will have a mountain of evidence to go through, which will open up new lines of inquiry, and more requests for money from the bottomless State pocket, and more PI investigation. Also, the need for extensive Psychiatric, personality and Medical testing to be scheduled and performed (more State money). Also, consultation with expert witnesses (even more State money) after all the testing is completed.

There is no reason for the Dynamic Iowa Legal Duo (cue the DILD theme music) to not wave CR's right to a speedy trial. There us nothing to gain by running pell mell to trial. Time is always on the Defense's side.

Besides, no matter what the family and the State pay the IDLD, this one case will make them wealthy if they treat CR right, even if he goes to State Prison for life. From this, they will build a word-of-mouth, walk-in Central Iowa (and beyond) Hispanic based practice that will support them and their children comfortably, for the rest of their lives!

This trial is 18 months to 2 years off. IMHOO

After my stepdaughter killed her daughter in Mississippi, it was 3.5-ish years before she entered into a plea deal and was sent to State Prison. No trial. I would not hold my breath over this, waiting for a trial. (Her legal fees were paid by anti-death penalty money out of England.).

Gotcha

 

[agilbe]

He would of been read his Miranda Rights; they would of been translated to him -
'Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish.'

OH WOW and if the defense is claiming he's not "educated" enough to understand that, translator or not, this could be bad. JMO

 

[claire_parker]

He would of been read his Miranda Rights; they would of been translated to him -
'Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to consult an attorney before speaking to the police and to have an attorney present during questioning now or in the future. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish.'

He is a predator and a murderer plain and simple. He surveilled her route and carried a knife. I don’t believe a word he says.

 

[SteveP]

He is a predator and a murderer plain and simple. He surveilled her route and carried a knife. I don’t believe a word he says.

I don't believe anything he says either, but I do not believe a specific weapon, or specific type of weapon, has ever been mentioned. Do you have a link that states he was carrying a knife?