GUILTY ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #104

[Warwick7]

More than one, and IIRC I want to say 10 or maybe even a dozen. JMO

Unless they were different kinds of ID's such as a work ID, there's a problem.

He's 30, every two years in Pennsylvania you redo your driver's license. Even if he started driving at the age of 16, he would only have 7 possibly 8 ID'S in that glove.

If they are all his. They have to be different types of ID's...

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think it was multiple; perhaps his old ones or something.

This guy didn't have time to go digging through victim's wallets for ID's, and as we've learned from following cases on here, the vast majority of items listed on search warrants tend to wind up being irrelevant.

I agree in the case of ID 4, but maybe BK had a thing collecting them if he was hot prowling other places before the murders.

In college, I always threw my ID on the dresser when the day was done. Those would have been easy to pick up. He did do some cyber 'security' installation for one girl that said she felt creeped out by him.

It's not ironic to me that most of the girls BK had any one on one interaction with felt very uncomfortable, beyond what might be expected a normal reaction.

Creepy creeper vibes from way back.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

This just isn't how crimes like that happen. They're loud, they're messy, they're brazen; someone walks in with a gun and starts shooting. These victims don't come remotely close to matching any profile of victims in an organized crime attack.

I can't find any precedent for a crime like this in American history (with their victimology).

This all makes complete sense with BK as a lone attacker, doing this for his own sick reasons (hatred of women, committing the perfect crime). The evidence completely supports that, and this simply does not work as a gangland drug hit.

Howard Blum has a vested interest in shaking up the narrative, and pursuing angles that others are not. That stuff sells, and it's way more exciting than some loser doing exactly what the prosecution says he did.

I do hope the defense goes this route though, as the jury will have to weigh the supported, and the absurd. Then they'll laugh, and convict him of quadruple murder.

Know what else requires fine motor coordination?

Here's the church, here's the steeple....

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Bet he has no trouble touching his nose, touching his toes, separating wee bits of personal trash from bigger bits of trash. Bet he did just fine using his smartphone too. You put your right fingers in, you put your right fingers out, you do the hokey pokey, and you type yourself out. Little keyboard, I bet TA, PhDer BK could operate his cellphone one-handed in his sleep. Well, while the rest of us sleep, I mean.

He picks up a pen, he writes, he types. On a doctoral level. And he shaves.

He obviously has some fine moral impairments, but fine motor ones? Nah.

JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/06/us/bryan-kohberger-autism-death-penalty/index.html

Yep, I like the way you said that.

The contention that he couldn't kill so many people with a knife because of problems with dexterity is totally preposterous. Just like the alibi that isn't an alibi. Both are preposterous and silly.

AT has nothing to work with. Bottom line, BK is going down in flames just like he should.

 

[iusedtofloat]

And as for this "other potential suspect,"
AT said she needs more time to view discovery, Judge was not happy about that.

Judge just called AT out. Reminding her she asked for a delay, which he granted, so why are they waiting until NOW to do this?

AT said they haven't had time to look at discovery.

She whined that there was hundreds of hours of street traffic to look through, and it wasn't all labeled w/specifics, so she has to try and look at each one to see when and where...

And I think she had expected the state to have looked at each one and put a label with date and location.

Hippler reminded AT she had taken on a new DP case since this one began - he asked why she would take this additional case on when she was already overwhelmed with BK’s. Ouch!!

AT has to be one of my least favorite lawyers I've ever witnessed practice... Couldn't agree more with everything you said.

 

[iusedtofloat]

What I have such a difficult time with in this case is how he overpowered 4 people relatively quietly - no screaming "who are you?!" or anything despite tons of defensive wounds on a couple of the victims? - and how there was a "bloodbath" yet when one of the surviving roommates saw Xana she thought she was "just passed out".
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While BK is perhaps guilty in reality, I don't know if I'd find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
1) He has ineffective counsel. 2) The prosecution has been shady every step of the way IMO. I'll leave it at those two. There's more, but you guys get the gist.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

There has been zero evidence presented and absolutely no credible mention of any organized crime/drug world linkage to this case., to my knowledge. None. I didn't realize that Howard Blum was part of the defense team. Will he be sharing this evidence with the court, or must we buy his book in order to learn of it? JMO

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[Chloegirl]

What I have such a difficult time with in this case is how he overpowered 4 people relatively quietly - no screaming "who are you?!" or anything despite tons of defensive wounds on a couple of the victims? - and how there was a "bloodbath" yet when one of the surviving roommates saw Xana she thought she was "just passed out".

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While BK is perhaps guilty in reality, I don't know if I'd find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
1) He has ineffective counsel. 2) The prosecution has been shady every step of the way IMO. I'll leave it at those two. There's more, but you guys get the gist.

I appreciate your point.

It is also apparent to me that any time you have a case that gets this much attention, it gets completely skewed for the public. Conspiracy theories begin, people take sides, evidence is concealed until trial. These murders gaining national/global attention was the absolute worst possible scenario for justice. I do appreciate that people care about what happened in Moscow. But, no matter where we land, what the facts are, what we know now, and even what we learn in the future, people will spin it and not be able to tell fact from fiction. JMOO

If BK can't "get a fair trial" I don't think we can blame his lawyers or everyone else with their hand in the situation. There are way too many cooks in the kitchen, in what is a overly complex and scrutinized case. I would like to believe that the actual trial will clarify the evidence and we will be able to see what is necessary, but at this point I am highly doubtful that is possible. JMOO

 

[wendy44]

What I have such a difficult time with in this case is how he overpowered 4 people relatively quietly - no screaming "who are you?!" or anything despite tons of defensive wounds on a couple of the victims? -

They were impaired by alcohol and at least one or two couldn't fight back at all.

and how there was a "bloodbath" yet when one of the surviving roommates saw Xana she thought she was "just passed out".

I don't believe either surviving roommate ever saw Xana. On the 911 call you can hear the friend that came over yelling to XK and EC--it sounds like the door was closed and he was yelling to them from the hallway. Had XK been visible he would not have been doing that. Once he got the door open, you can hear yelling/screaming and he ran downstairs and told everyone to get out.

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I think this was a party house, the roommates had only been together a few months, they were used to people coming and going, they had been drinking, they weren't sure what was going on, at least one of the roommates was known to play pranks, and they didn't want to overreact and call 911. You can see these discussions playing out in the text messages. They were trying to rationalize what they saw/heard. They continued to try to get the other roommates to respond. They called/texted their parents. They waited for the roommates to wake up. I find it all to be very understandable, but JMO.

While BK is perhaps guilty in reality, I don't know if I'd find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
1) He has ineffective counsel.

He has excellent counsel, especially considering he has public defenders. He has four attorneys and numerous paid experts as well as investigators. AT has pursued every last inch of every avenue in this case.

2) The prosecution has been shady every step of the way IMO. I'll leave it at those two. There's more, but you guys get the gist.

And this is proof of how effective his counsel has been--the prosecution has not been shady every step of the way, but AT has been very effective in making people believe that.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

What I have such a difficult time with in this case is how he overpowered 4 people relatively quietly - no screaming "who are you?!" or anything despite tons of defensive wounds on a couple of the victims? - and how there was a "bloodbath" yet when one of the surviving roommates saw Xana she thought she was "just passed out".

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While BK is perhaps guilty in reality, I don't know if I'd find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
1) He has ineffective counsel. 2) The prosecution has been shady every step of the way IMO. I'll leave it at those two. There's more, but you guys get the gist.

The prosecution mentioned in their expert witness disclosure that they were calling a toxicology expert in an effort to explain why multiple victims were unable to fight back. MM and KG were likely stabbed to death in their sleep. Fatal wounds could have been inflicted before either of them knew what was going on.

I believe the only one who offered up resistance was Xana. That would have still likely been a very quick event though (we're talking a combat knife here, and not some kitchen knife like we see in most stabbings).

Xana could have been face down, which would have covered up blood and wounds. Regardless, this doesn't change anything at all in regards to who the killer is.

Although unusual, the roommates behavior also doesn't change anything in regards to who the offender is. They were hammered drunk, and DM obviously wasn't sure if her mind was playing tricks on her. I don't think there's a rational person on planet earth who believes these girls knew a massacre had taken place, and then decided to continue on business as usual. They would have run for their lives.

The evidence against BK is very strong, and that's just from what we know.

His DNA is on the sheath to the murder weapon.
He purchased a matching knife, sheath, and sharpener, all of which are apparently inexplicably missing.
There has never been an easier time in history to verify an alibi, yet BK's phone happens to be off during the murder window. That's an absolutely astounding coincidence.
He drove the same type of car police were interested in, and just so happened to go for a drive in the dead of night, at a time consistent with him being the killer.
He made 23 trips to the vicinity of the scene between the hours of 10pm and 4am.
He made another trip the morning of the murders (I believe they have more evidence in this regard), spent minutes there, turned around and went home, and never made another trip to Moscow ever again.
These cannot possibly be coincidences.

As for his defense, this is a death penalty case, and they are filing motion after motion in order to preserve certain issues on appeal. They have made numerous claims against the prosecution (what you refer to as shady), and not a single one has been supported. Can you explain to me what you're referring to here?


K. Gary Dawson

The Defendant disclosed expert opinions claiming that more than one assailant was

necessary in order to accomplish the homicides in the suggested timeframe offered by the State.

Dr. Dawson will opine that the victim’s intoxication levels would have impaired their ability to

resist, and for certain victims (as detailed in his report) it would have prevented them from

putting up any resistance. These opinions support the argument that less time would have been

needed to commit the homicides. The State submits Dawson’s disclosure complies with I.C.R.

Rule 16(b)(7) and I.R.E. 702, 703 and 705.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031725-States-Response-Defendants-MiL-2-Vague-Undisclosed-Expert-Testimony.pdf

 

[iusedtofloat]

They were impaired by alcohol and at least one or two couldn't fight back at all.

I don't believe either surviving roommate ever saw Xana. On the 911 call you can hear the friend that came over yelling to XK and EC--it sounds like the door was closed and he was yelling to them from the hallway. Had XK been visible he would not have been doing that. Once he got the door open, you can hear yelling/screaming and he ran downstairs and told everyone to get out.

I think a lot of people don't understand this and many would have done things differently. I think this was a party house, the roommates had only been together a few months, they were used to people coming and going, they had been drinking, they weren't sure what was going on, at least one of the roommates was known to play pranks, and they didn't want to overreact and call 911. You can see these discussions playing out in the text messages. They were trying to rationalize what they saw/heard. They continued to try to get the other roommates to respond. They called/texted their parents. They waited for the roommates to wake up. I find it all to be very understandable, but JMO.

He has excellent counsel, especially considering he has public defenders. He has four attorneys and numerous paid experts as well as investigators. AT has pursued every last inch of every avenue in this case.

And this is proof of how effective his counsel has been--the prosecution has not been shady every step of the way, but AT has been very effective in making people believe that.
JMO

I thought the prosecution & police were shady about this case long before AT was his lawyer. AT is very frustrating to me and to the judge at bare minimum lol.

Yes, one or two of the victims didn't fight back very much, but one or two very much did...

I'm trying to find my source about a roommate seeing Xana but I could've sworn I read that recently. I'll look!

 

[Sachi]

What I have such a difficult time with in this case is how he overpowered 4 people relatively quietly - no screaming "who are you?!" or anything despite tons of defensive wounds on a couple of the victims? - and how there was a "bloodbath" yet when one of the surviving roommates saw Xana she thought she was "just passed out".
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While BK is perhaps guilty in reality, I don't know if I'd find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
1) He has ineffective counsel. 2) The prosecution has been shady every step of the way IMO. I'll leave it at those two. There's more, but you guys get the gist.

Wait,…I’m missing something, what did the prosecution do that’s shady?
Also can you clarify the “more”

Thanks in advance

 

[Chloegirl]

I thought the prosecution & police were shady about this case long before AT was his lawyer. AT is very frustrating to me and to the judge at bare minimum lol.

Yes, one or two of the victims didn't fight back very much, but one or two very much did...

I'm trying to find my source about a roommate seeing Xana but I could've sworn I read that recently. I'll look!

The Seattle Time says that Ann Taylor was assigned to BK's case pretty much from the get-go. Although if I link the article here you may not be able to access it.

 

[schooling]

Unless they were different kinds of ID's such as a work ID, there's a problem.

He's 30, every two years in Pennsylvania you redo your driver's license. Even if he started driving at the age of 16, he would only have 7 possibly 8 ID'S in that glove.

If they are all his. They have to be different types of ID's...

According to this it's 4....

Driver Licenses, Learner's Permits, and ID Cards FAQs

Driver Licenses, Learner's Permits, and ID Cards FAQs

www.pa.gov

The only reason I checked is because 2 seemed extremely short. I'd probably leave the state if I had to go through that nonsense (even if a lot of it is online now) every two years.

 

[al66pine]

Prosecution & Police. "Shady" Even Before AT?

I thought the prosecution & police were shady about this case long before AT was his lawyer....

sbm @iusedtofloat​

Addressing only the "shady" characterization.

Nov. 13, 2022 - 4 deaths. Moscow PD launches Investigation.
W'in next few days, ISP & FBI (Pullman PD too?) begin assisting MPD.
Dec. 30, 2022 - BK is arrested.
_____, (?) AT was appointed as atty for BK. IIRC, w'in a day or so of arrest.

What were prosecution's & police's shady actions during that 6 or 7 wk. period? Which LE agency?
W links pls?

 

[Balthazar]

Howard Blum wrote in his book that he believes BK did it and that he acted alone. That it was not a transactional or pragmatic crime. That he had crossed paths with MM and she was the target.

I agree that Blum wrote that. However, the question I was answering was about what the defense theory will be.

We also know from the hearing last week that AT has a crime scene expert witness, Matthew Noedel, who allegedly will say at least 2 people committed these murders. There is also speculation that he may say more than 1 type of weapon was used. JMO.

Kohberger hearing dives into theory of multiple suspects

Bryan Kohberger’s attorneys are working with an expert who says it’s likely two people were responsible for the Nov. 13, 2022, murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.bigcountrynewsconnection.com

All JMO.

 

[Nila Aella]

I don't believe either surviving roommate ever saw Xana. On the 911 call you can hear the friend that came over yelling to XK and EC--it sounds like the door was closed and he was yelling to them from the hallway. Had XK been visible he would not have been doing that. Once he got the door open, you can hear yelling/screaming and he ran downstairs and told everyone to get out.


JMO

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MIL hearing

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if you look at the

trans the grand jury transcript this is 1A this relates to DM and I'm at page

187 lines 12 through 16 DM is not responding to any of the

statements she makes on the 911 call to a startling event

she says that for a

brief second she saw XK but thought she was passed out from the night before

4:31:43

 

[katydid23]

Perhaps what you and I have is lack of evidence, but the state expressed that they know for certain that the phone was "turned off." You have made posts that insist that AT&T was able to give the state information that the state, and a sworn statement from AT&T, says they were not. You now are positing that AT&T cannot provide information that the state says that they have with certainty. If true, perhaps the state got the info through other means. I do find it telling that when the prosecutor stated that the state knows for a fact that the phone was turned off, Judge Hippler did not ask if he had evidence of that.

ETA: As others, @Megnut and @mrjitty point out, the state HAS his phone, so I am certain that it has been forensically examined , and likely gave a wealth of information. We've already found a nice selfie there.

I guess we will all find out who knows what at trial. JMO

I think they will know if his phone was 'out of range of service' by their extensive video footage. They do know where he was when phone was suddenly 'back in service' and when it was 'not in service.' I think they can tell whether it was a question of no tower availability or it was intentionally powered off. I doubt there are that many large swaths of land with no service. Certainly not several hours at a time, imo.

 

[SteveP]

I agree that Blum wrote that. However, the question I was answering was about what the defense theory will be.

We also know from the hearing last week that AT has a crime scene expert witness, Matthew Noedel, who allegedly will say at least 2 people committed these murders. There is also speculation that he may say more than 1 type of weapon was used. JMO.

Kohberger hearing dives into theory of multiple suspects

Bryan Kohberger’s attorneys are working with an expert who says it’s likely two people were responsible for the Nov. 13, 2022, murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.bigcountrynewsconnection.com

All JMO.

It seems apparent, to me anyway, that if two people committed the murders, at least two weapons were used. I doubt that the killers passed the KaBar back and forth to each other. With his apparent lack of fine motor skills, BK would likely have stabbed himself doing that. If two weapons were used, however, that still does not mean there was necessarily more than one killer. We know that BK did have at least two other knives confiscated during searches, at least one was some type of Smith and Wesson pocket knife. Having said that, I believe the defense expert's main purpose will be to contend that two murderers were needed to accomplish the murders within the suspected time frame. The state will offer a toxicology expert, who will likely state that the victims' levels of intoxication would have lessened the time needed to kill all four, due to lack of ability to fight back, allowing BK the time needed. It will just be a battle of dueling experts, and I think, taken in toto, along with all of the other evidence that will be presented, the jury will decide that BK did have the time necessary to do all of the killing, and will decide that he, in fact, did. JMO

 

[crhedBngr]

Apparently this was *before* AT decided to enfeeble BK.

I suspect BK has been perfectly capable of buttoning buttons, zipping zippers, tying ties, buckling belts, wearing shoes, just generally dressing himself for years. In fact, he even buys his own clothes. #dickiesreceipt

Of course that was all before BK's chair started sinking into the courtroom basement.

JMO


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NWPB

After much debate, Kohberger trial date unchanged

MOSCOW — The trial for Moscow quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger is still set for Oct. 2 even as both the defense and prosecution continue to argue over evidence and

www.idahostatejournal.com

New details revealed in case of Idaho student killings

(Runtime 1:06)The murder trial for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, is scheduled for August.“From my…

www.nwpb.org

That smirk.

SMH, and sitting on my hands.

JMVHO.

 

[Justice101]

Whether the witness was sober or drunk.. You still are half asleep at 4 in the morning.

This still won't help the defense's case IMO

Her description of BK was way before he was identified as a suspect... and was spot on for what little she could tell. "bushy eyebrows and not muscular but athletic"