ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide - Moscow #2

[Tracey4AU]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593332973923094528

Does anyone know the context of this tweet re: prior calls to law enforcement by KG (or lack thereof)?

 

[newsatfive]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593341723551223809

This must have been a rough crime scene, so incredibly sad.

That statement is crazy important. Coroners see death every day, and law enforcement sees horrible things on a frequent basis, too. There is something about this crime that is so heinous that the first thought that comes to mind is these people are going to be irreparably harmed mentally.

 

[isabella88]

Does anyone know the context of this tweet re: prior calls to law enforcement by KG (or lack thereof)?

No, but makes me wonder if she was the "target". May have gone to clearing a boyfriend?

 

[newsatfive]

Does anyone know the context of this tweet re: prior calls to law enforcement by KG (or lack thereof)?

There are people on Twitter, who think that they know who did it based on a baseball cap. It’s ridiculous, and it’s the kind of thing that’s going to get somebody sued for libel.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Does anyone know the context of this tweet re: prior calls to law enforcement by KG (or lack thereof)?

Nothing linkable. But I could guess that would imply no reports of a harassment, vandalism, peeping, assault, concerns, or problems this year.

 

[stmarysmead]

I wonder if there is ‘overkill’ on just one victim. I wonder if there is evidence of a sexual assault on just one victim.

 

[Tracey4AU]

There are people on Twitter, who think that they know who did it based on a baseball cap. It’s ridiculous, and it’s the kind of thing that’s going to get somebody sued for libel.

Gotcha. Thank you.

 

[waldojabba]

It's easier for people to pick up the phone and call but they may not have the staff to work a tip line right now.

IMO the email tip line is great. This happened in a college town, very close to the college campus on a weekend night. Most people out and about that night in the bars at parties etc are of a certain age.
In my world kids this age don't do alot of talking on the phone, they do a lot of texting. Email is the next best thing to texting. I have to admit I have become the same way. Talking to someone takes so much longer and I can carry on conversations via tweet with multiple people at the same time - just so much easier. Just my thoughts

 

[chocolatechance]

I see that posters have been debating whether people could sleep through a terrible crime. I used to believe there was no way people would sleep through murders in their own home, until November, 2009 when an incident occurred at my house (thankfully NOT a crime). Here's my story, which completely changed my thinking about sleeping through loud and terrible events.

My husband and I bought a dining room table and sideboard in September, 2009. The sideboard had a fairly large tempered glass top, with metal circles embedded in it that screwed into 2 supporting metal legs. Husband is a big and strong dude who always overtightens screws. So when he overtightened the screws, he unknowingly caused major tension in the glass.

Flash forward to November, 2009, 2 months later, 11 p.m. at night. Husband fell asleep in my 3-yr-old's room upstairs while reading to him. He's snoring; son is sleeping hard. I'm lying in the master bedroom upstairs across the hall from my son's room reading a book, with a large 100-lb lab sleeping next to me. I hear a really, really loud sound of glass cracking and crashing, followed rapidly by a massive boom that SHOOK THE ENTIRE HOUSE. It was coming from the dining room, directly under where Husband and son are sleeping. The ENTIRE HOUSE SHOOK! The noise was unbelievably loud. After the crash/boom, I heard a crunching noise and what sounded like trickling water. Apparently this is what tempered glass sounds like as the pieces crack and then split. I walked into the hallway, listening to the noises, expecting my husband to come running, while trying to figure out what happened. I totally forgot about the glass sideboard, and the only other glass in that room is the dining room window. Combine that with what sounded like someone or something walking on the glass and crunching it, and then the water trinkling sound, and I concluded that a deer jumped through the dining room window, walking around in the dining room while bleeding out. (I know, I know, sounds crazy, but it was the only way I could explain the water sounds along with all the rest, and we were surrounded by a wooded city park, so not too crazy).

My husband continued to sleep and snore through this entire episode. I had to physically shake him to wake him up, panicking slightly and telling him he had to get the dying deer out of our house before it destroyed anything else. He was completely confused, stumbled into the hallway, rubbed his eyes, heard the crunching and trickling sounds, and then said, "I don't want to go down there." Every feminist bone in my body disappeared as a yelled "You're the man of the house, get that deer out!" He tiptoed down the stairs, peeked around the wall into the dining room, and said, "It's not a deer." I then followed, and we spent over an hour trying to clean up the glass. My dog never left the bed.

So after this longwinded story, I can now attest that, depending on where you are in your sleep cycle and how tired you are, you can sleep through anything; my husband and son did. I've found that alcohol adds another level of sleep/unconsciousness that can also result in not hearing anything (personal experience there, not that I'm proud of it).

If the two roommates were on another level, and/or in a deep sleep phase, I can understand why the murders didn't wake them up. I feel terrible for them. I hope the police were able to remove them from a part of the house without their deceased friends. All my opinion and personal experience, and sorry for the long post.

 

[mfmfan77]

I see that posters have been debating whether people could sleep through a terrible crime. I used to believe there was no way people would sleep through murders in their own home, until November, 2009 when an incident occurred at my house (thankfully NOT a crime). Here's my story, which completely changed my thinking about sleeping through loud and terrible events.

My husband and I bought a dining room table and sideboard in September, 2009. The sideboard had a fairly large tempered glass top, with metal circles embedded in it that screwed into 2 supporting metal legs. Husband is a big and strong dude who always overtightens screws. So when he overtightened the screws, he unknowingly caused major tension in the glass.

Flash forward to November, 2009, 2 months later, 11 p.m. at night. Husband fell asleep in my 3-yr-old's room upstairs while reading to him. He's snoring; son is sleeping hard. I'm lying in the master bedroom upstairs across the hall from my son's room reading a book, with a large 100-lb lab sleeping next to me. I hear a really, really loud sound of glass cracking and crashing, followed rapidly by a massive boom that SHOOK THE ENTIRE HOUSE. It was coming from the dining room, directly under where Husband and son are sleeping. The ENTIRE HOUSE SHOOK! The noise was unbelievably loud. After the crash/boom, I heard a crunching noise and what sounded like trickling water. Apparently this is what tempered glass sounds like as the pieces crack and then split. I walked into the hallway, listening to the noises, expecting my husband to come running, while trying to figure out what happened. I totally forgot about the glass sideboard, and the only other glass in that room is the dining room window. Combine that with what sounded like someone or something walking on the glass and crunching it, and then the water trinkling sound, and I concluded that a deer jumped through the dining room window, walking around in the dining room while bleeding out. (I know, I know, sounds crazy, but it was the only way I could explain the water sounds along with all the rest, and we were surrounded by a wooded city park, so not too crazy).

My husband continued to sleep and snore through this entire episode. I had to physically shake him to wake him up, panicking slightly and telling him he had to get the dying deer out of our house before it destroyed anything else. He was completely confused, stumbled into the hallway, rubbed his eyes, heard the crunching and trickling sounds, and then said, "I don't want to go down there." Every feminist bone in my body disappeared as a yelled "You're the man of the house, get that deer out!" He tiptoed down the stairs, peeked around the wall into the dining room, and said, "It's not a deer." I then followed, and we spent over an hour trying to clean up the glass. My dog never left the bed.

So after this longwinded story, I can now attest that, depending on where you are in your sleep cycle and how tired you are, you can sleep through anything; my husband and son did. I've found that alcohol adds another level of sleep/unconsciousness that can also result in not hearing anything (personal experience there, not that I'm proud of it).

If the two roommates were on another level, and/or in a deep sleep phase, I can understand why the murders didn't wake them up. I feel terrible for them. I hope the police were able to remove them from a part of the house without their deceased friends. All my opinion and personal experience, and sorry for the long post.

That's scary! My husband sleeps through those types of things as well. He slept through me *screaming* at him to wake up because my dog had eaten a raisin (he was fine -- but dogs aren't supposed to eat raisins. Poor thing had to be given vomit-inducing medication because I am a worrier). I had to physically shake him to wake him up.

I'd imagine with a bit of alcohol, people could be even harder to wake up.

 

[RetiredEE]

It's easier for people to pick up the phone and call but they may not have the staff to work a tip line right now.

Lots of emails can be rapidly searched / matched for keywords.

Voice transcription can do the same, but with less speed and accuracy.

(Plus the aforementioned ip harvesting)

 

[LaborDayRN]

Unfortunately, the names had been making the rounds before. Poor women. This is awful in countless ways.

The two roommates who escaped death while their four friends were knifed at their off-campus house are DM and BF both 21

Revealed: two Idaho students who survived when roommates were murdered

The two University of Idaho students who survived a fatal knife attack that left four of their friends dead can be identified as Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Edited by me to remove incorrect information.

 

[KMouse]

I suspect college age kids would feel more comfortable sending a tip by e-mail than phone call, hence the e-mail tip line.

I wish they could do a text tip line but if they posted a phone number people would call it. If they only have one person available to work the phones then people may not stay on hold if they were to get a busy signal. An email tip plan is okay but some people may prefer anonymity.

 

[r3d-ros3]

Wow booked back in March, I saw WSU close by on the map and from mention herein and with a home game also in Moscow vs. UC Davis on 11/12, all hotels (and there is not many) both locations had to be full capacity. With a potential timeline of 4-6AM perp leaving the crime scene, I was thinking along the lines of possible sighting on camera of of anything unusual in appearance of persons returning to a hotel at this hour, many possibilities of course, but this is one I thought of and at that TOD probably not too many returning to their room.

This is rough, I had no idea that there could even be the potential of increased traffic to the area. I know the theory is floating around that the murderer was a stalker / SM follower, but this really seems to me like a random violent attack (IMO) and this at least makes this more possible than it might be normally (this, meaning, increased out of town traffic to the area).

 

[Curiosa20]

IMO these tragic and horrendous murders do not lean toward a disorganized mentally ill killer. In fact, there may very well be 2 people involved, as authorities have indicated. It would seem plausible that the murdered teens were subdued by one.
It’s hard to imagine no one fighting back kicking and screaming if they had a chance. And something or someone had to have majorly controlled the slaughter, leaving the two room mates alive. That sounds intentional, as bizarre as it sounds. Maybe this was about revenge?
I’m thinking the killer or killers are long gone.

 

[newsatfive]

I see that posters have been debating whether people could sleep through a terrible crime. I used to believe there was no way people would sleep through murders in their own home, until November, 2009 when an incident occurred at my house (thankfully NOT a crime). Here's my story, which completely changed my thinking about sleeping through loud and terrible events.

My husband and I bought a dining room table and sideboard in September, 2009. The sideboard had a fairly large tempered glass top, with metal circles embedded in it that screwed into 2 supporting metal legs. Husband is a big and strong dude who always overtightens screws. So when he overtightened the screws, he unknowingly caused major tension in the glass.

Flash forward to November, 2009, 2 months later, 11 p.m. at night. Husband fell asleep in my 3-yr-old's room upstairs while reading to him. He's snoring; son is sleeping hard. I'm lying in the master bedroom upstairs across the hall from my son's room reading a book, with a large 100-lb lab sleeping next to me. I hear a really, really loud sound of glass cracking and crashing, followed rapidly by a massive boom that SHOOK THE ENTIRE HOUSE. It was coming from the dining room, directly under where Husband and son are sleeping. The ENTIRE HOUSE SHOOK! The noise was unbelievably loud. After the crash/boom, I heard a crunching noise and what sounded like trickling water. Apparently this is what tempered glass sounds like as the pieces crack and then split. I walked into the hallway, listening to the noises, expecting my husband to come running, while trying to figure out what happened. I totally forgot about the glass sideboard, and the only other glass in that room is the dining room window. Combine that with what sounded like someone or something walking on the glass and crunching it, and then the water trinkling sound, and I concluded that a deer jumped through the dining room window, walking around in the dining room while bleeding out. (I know, I know, sounds crazy, but it was the only way I could explain the water sounds along with all the rest, and we were surrounded by a wooded city park, so not too crazy).

My husband continued to sleep and snore through this entire episode. I had to physically shake him to wake him up, panicking slightly and telling him he had to get the dying deer out of our house before it destroyed anything else. He was completely confused, stumbled into the hallway, rubbed his eyes, heard the crunching and trickling sounds, and then said, "I don't want to go down there." Every feminist bone in my body disappeared as a yelled "You're the man of the house, get that deer out!" He tiptoed down the stairs, peeked around the wall into the dining room, and said, "It's not a deer." I then followed, and we spent over an hour trying to clean up the glass. My dog never left the bed.

So after this longwinded story, I can now attest that, depending on where you are in your sleep cycle and how tired you are, you can sleep through anything; my husband and son did. I've found that alcohol adds another level of sleep/unconsciousness that can also result in not hearing anything (personal experience there, not that I'm proud of it).

If the two roommates were on another level, and/or in a deep sleep phase, I can understand why the murders didn't wake them up. I feel terrible for them. I hope the police were able to remove them from a part of the house without their deceased friends. All my opinion and personal experience, and sorry for the long post.

I had a similar incident several years ago. I had a bookcase in front of a water main turn off in my basement. I put wheels underneath the bookcase in order to make it easy to move back-and-forth. I then proceeded to load up the bookcase with books and knickknacks, including two large jars of shells from various trips to the beach.

One night I’m in bed with my husband and my little dog, and I hear this huge crash downstairs. I was sure that somebody had broken into the basement. (There had recently been a series of home invasion robberies in my part of town that occurred in the wee hours of the morning while people were sleeping.)

My husband slept through the loud noise, as did my dog. I had to wake up my husband and tell him that I thought we had a burglar in the house. My husband then went downstairs and didn’t notice the damn thing. He came back to bed and told me it must have been a bad dream.

The next morning, I get up and there’s an overturned bookcase and glass all over in the corner right in front of the water main turn off. Anybody who walks down the stairs to the basement and turns on the light would see broken glass.

What had happened was the bookcase had been loaded top-heavy, and the wheels under the bookcase were not stable. (I do not recommend adding wheels to bookcases.)

 

[Oregonmama]

• Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell said the two survivors are helping police with their investigation but would not give further details
• He also told DailyMail.com the pair are not suspects but said every possibility is being looked at by the investigative team

Revealed: two Idaho students who survived when roommates were murdered

The two University of Idaho students who survived a fatal knife attack that left four of their friends dead can be identified as Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is what I was stating earlier that anyone could be a suspect including the 2 survivors. JMO

 

[Gizmo3]

How long after the discovery of a crime are the crime scenes themselves usually cleaned? There has been a lot of talk about the potential entrance of the perp through the sliding door, but that picture looks immaculate - no blood on door, floor, tracks (that can be seen, anyway, it’s a night photo), etc. Makes me wonder if the killer exited another way, hard to imagine they’d go through the front, however, where there is a greater chance of being spotted.

University of Idaho homicide victims believed stabbed to death in 'isolated, targeted attack': police | Fox News

No suspects in University of Idaho attack in custody as of Tuesday morning

www.foxnews.com

 

[Alethea]

It's easier for people to pick up the phone and call but they may not have the staff to work a tip line right now.

There are also potential witnesses who do not want to call LE for any reason because of their own potential exposure (unrelated warrants, general distrust of LE), who may be comfortable sending an email from a library. You want to get as much information as possible.

 

[waldojabba]

That statement is crazy important. Coroners see death every day, and law enforcement sees horrible things on a frequent basis, too. There is something about this crime that is so heinous that the first thought that comes to mind is these people are going to be irreparably harmed mentally.

This is a small town and I believeif IIRC, in the coroners intereview posted in the last thread, she indicated she had been involved in a multiple homicides before, but not in one where all the bodies were in one place. I imagine they don't see the horror that say City LE might witness or the crimes of larger towns.
I don't think much heinous happens here although I don't know that for a fact since I am not familar with this part of Idaho. Also the age and the pure innocence of the victims has to hit hard in addition to whatever the gory scene presented. Many of LE may have kids around this age.
Impossible to know what it looked like. LE/Coroner have also been hestant to say where all the victims were found in the house. Was their some posing of bodies and further work with the knife beyond death? We will have to let it all unfold to know.
Just the scene of all that blood and death of four innocents would be enough to rock my world forever - ALL IMO