ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide - Moscow #2

[girlhasnoname]

I wonder what the timing of the pairs arriving back home happened? <modsnip: not an approved source>

X&E were at campus party don't think it's been stated what time they returned, and I don't think it's been stated if the other 2 roommates were out or not.

I was thinking surely the door code would log entries, but we are talking about a college rental, IDK? Plus K's sister stated that it was common for people to know the code, which again, college town, friends coming and going, it's not surprising.

So from 2 am - until the time LE believes the incident occurred 3-4 am will be the crucial timing. Who was up? Texting, posting, or just crashed?

I don't believe the 2 roommates ever heard a thing and were probably woken up by LE when clearing the house. I believe a friend stumbled in, found the scene and called 911.

Just speculating, MOO

 

[yarnball]

This article says that "two other roommates [were] home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say." Also, "[Police Chief] Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded."

This seems to imply that the two surviving roommates decided not to call 911 for some reason, and perhaps never called 911. If the roommates made the call about the "unconscious person" at the home, why not say so? JMO

Idaho murders: 2 other roommates home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say

Moscow Police Chief James Fry gave an update Wednesday, saying two additional roommates were in the home at the time of the killings who were neither injured nor held hostage.

abc7chicago.com

 

[Trino]

IMO these tragic and horrendous murders do not lean toward a disorganized mentally ill killer. In fact, there may very well be 2 people involved, as authorities have indicated. It would seem plausible that the murdered teens were subdued by one.
It’s hard to imagine no one fighting back kicking and screaming if they had a chance. And something or someone had to have majorly controlled the slaughter, leaving the two room mates alive. That sounds intentional, as bizarre as it sounds. Maybe this was about revenge?
I’m thinking the killer or killers are long gone.

Are long gone or have gone home like the rest of the campus.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

We live next to Gainesville, Florida. This so reminds me of the Danny Rolling murder spree in Gainesville and the Ted Bundy sorority house murders at FSU. I got goosebumps this morning when my husband told me about the sad news and it brought me back all those years. IMO, students, please be vigilant and stay in groups. Lock all doors and windows. Have phones charged at all times. This is my opinion only but until there are person(s) of interest stay in groups. We all thought the slayings near us was targeted until there were others. Sliding glass patio doors need to be fortified with a stick of wood to keep them closed. That's how Danny Rolling made entrance. Until, and if, the police announce it's random, everyone in the area should report anything unusual and stay vigilant and with others. Sorry if it's just my PTSD. Those days were horrifying.

 

[stmarysmead]

This article says that "two other roommates [were] home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say." Also, "[Police Chief] Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded."

This seems to imply that the two surviving roommates decided not to call 911 for some reason, and perhaps never called 911. If the roommates made the call about the "unconscious person" at the home, why not say so? JMO

Idaho murders: 2 other roommates home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say

Moscow Police Chief James Fry gave an update Wednesday, saying two additional roommates were in the home at the time of the killings who were neither injured nor held hostage.

abc7chicago.com

I don't think he said the two survivors ‘declined’ to call police…which implies some hestiancy on their part…he said..


‘But there were no calls to 911 until noon Sunday. Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded. Fry also declined to say if the two people spoke with police.’

 

[Hexe]

I see that posters have been debating whether people could sleep through a terrible crime. I used to believe there was no way people would sleep through murders in their own home, until November, 2009 when an incident occurred at my house (thankfully NOT a crime). Here's my story, which completely changed my thinking about sleeping through loud and terrible events.

I slept through a suicide attempt in my dorm, years ago. Poor girl had a mental breakdown, screamed her head off, cut herself with glass, then tried to jump out the window. There were paramedics, firefighters, policemen, all on my floor, almost under the door of my room.

I slept through it all.

So yes, I can easily imagine that when you are healthy, tired young adult you can sleep through a lot, a murder included.

 

[British Bulldog]

Having read multiple posts on this site and various newspapers I have come to the conclusion that:

Kaylee and Maddy had the bedrooms on the top floor
Xana had a bedroom on the middle floor
Dylan and Beth had the bedrooms on the bottom floor.

I do not feel there is any relevance as to who rang 911.

Dylan and Beth both slept through this nightmare oblivious to what was occurring.

My belief is that the killer/s entered the house just before the crimes took place.

If you are targeting one person you are taking a huge risk of disturbing other room mates.

I believe this was a random attack by more than one person.

 

[RetiredEE]

This article says that "two other roommates [were] home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say." Also, "[Police Chief] Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded."

This seems to imply that the two surviving roommates decided not to call 911 for some reason, and perhaps never called 911. If the roommates made the call about the "unconscious person" at the home, why not say so? JMO

Idaho murders: 2 other roommates home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say

Moscow Police Chief James Fry gave an update Wednesday, saying two additional roommates were in the home at the time of the killings who were neither injured nor held hostage.

abc7chicago.com

That could be the surviving girls heard noises in the night, but figured they were inebriated roommates falling or arguing or something, and went back to bed (rather than investigating or calling 911). That could have helped pin the times down also (3am-4am?)

Moo

 

[Erutan]

I waver between random and personal.

Still think it's taking a huge risk if this was someone unknown to all present ?

I winced at the sight of those windows at night.
Hope they kept them covered with curtains or blinds.
Anyone walking by could see who slept where and the general layout, the pics were so clear that it looked like a corner of an unmade bed on one of the upper floors.
Imo.

 

[PacoElFlaco]

Great insight about the KaBar not being particularly useful as a hunting knife. One thing I'd add that slightly contradicts your insight; one can purchase a genuine, full-size Ka-Bar knife on Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/KA-BAR-Marine-Corps-Fighting-Straight/dp/B001H53Q6M
IMO, their ease of purchase could make it a bit more difficult to pinpoint who might have purchased one. On the other hand, it does beg a question: can law enforcement (FBI) get access to Amazon purchases shipped to a specific geographic region? For example, if I know they item number of a Kabar knife, can I get a list of all shipments of that item number sent to zip code XXXXXX in the last six months? It SEEMS to me that once an investigator has narrowed down the item and a specific city/set of zip codes, they should be able to find out if any of that item was shipped regionally.
Seeing as the suspect could get that particular knife anywhere, Amazon may not be the only retailer, but if you could at least check them it might create a really small suspect pool. Especially if any purchasers overlap with your POIs.

Also, does the knife necessarily have to be the genuine Ka-Bar brand? You can get a CHEAP KNOCKOFF KA-BAR for about 20 bucks that are made of lesser quality steel but would still function well enough to perform this kind of attack.

 

[Triton]

Yeah it looks like the headline writer mis-quoted the article.

 

[technicallymissing]

I interpreted the whole “took Ubers back and forth, let dog out, locked the doors” thing as an overview of their daily safety habits, and not what the did the night of their murders. JMO

That's what I thought at first too after reading what she said. The other things she listed were specifically safety-focused, though, to express how dangerous the killer must be that someone like Kaylee, who was careful and aware, was still attacked. "Let dog out" is the only thing that's not and seems like a random thing to add to that list which makes me think she was referring to him being there that particular night... hard to interpret though. I could very well be reading too much into it and she was speaking to a general routine. I'm just so curious about this dog, lol.

 

[Vandalalum]

That could be the surviving girls heard noises in the night, but figured they were inebriated roommates falling or arguing or something, and went back to bed (rather than investigating or calling 911). That could have helped pin the times down also (3am-4am?)

I agree with this. As has been said before, when living in that type of situation, you learn to live with (and probably discard concerns about) a lot of noises, especially if intoxicated. Which, if true, supports LE's initial reluctance to say if the roommates were home or not - we are now seeing the blame and incredulity of not calling playing out in MSM and on social media. I cannot even imagine the emotions going through their heads if they heard something and disregarded it. Poor girls!

 

[kwa]

That could be the surviving girls heard noises in the night, but figured they were inebriated roommates falling or arguing or something, and went back to bed (rather than investigating or calling 911). That could have helped pin the times down also (3am-4am?)

Clearly, two housemates were home in the 2 bedrooms on the lower/parking level of the house and did not call 911. However, any suggestion that the two housemates affirmatively decided not to call 911 is absurd. To the extent there is an article somewhere that suggests that, I would contend it is sloppy writing. No actual quotes from anyone on the scene suggest that the two surviving housemates even knew anything was wrong until law enforcement actually arrived at the house.

The layout of this house is admittedly weird, built on a hill -- with the lower-level bedrooms being "set off" from the rest of the house. The 2nd/main level opens to a patio with sliding glass doors on the OPPOSITE side of the house from the parking lot entrance. MOO, but it seems likely that the killer gained access through those sliding glass doors, and never even made it (or perhaps even considered going) to the lower level. From the 2nd/main level, it doesn't necessarily look like there are bedrooms down there.

The idea that the 2 housemates on the lower level did not hear anything and did not even emerge from their rooms until noon seems completely ordinary for college kids on a Sunday. MOO, but I will be shocked if the two surviving housemates have anything to add to this tragedy as far as information. They slept through the whole thing.

 

[isabella88]

I agree with this. As has been said before, when living in that type of situation, you learn to live with (and probably discard concerns about) a lot of noises, especially if intoxicated. Which, if true, supports LE's initial reluctance to say if the roommates were home or not - we are now seeing the blame and incredulity of not calling playing out in MSM and on social media. I cannot even imagine the emotions going through their heads if they heard something and disregarded it. Poor girls!

Poor women indeed. I pray that they did not hear anything and that they were not cowering in fear. If they were hiding, that could account for why they didn't call 911 themselves.

 

[girlhasnoname]

This article says that "two other roommates [were] home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say." Also, "[Police Chief] Fry did not say who called 911, despite two people being at the home when the killing took place and when officers responded."

This seems to imply that the two surviving roommates decided not to call 911 for some reason, and perhaps never called 911. If the roommates made the call about the "unconscious person" at the home, why not say so? JMO

Idaho murders: 2 other roommates home at time of killings but declined to call 911, police say

Moscow Police Chief James Fry gave an update Wednesday, saying two additional roommates were in the home at the time of the killings who were neither injured nor held hostage.

abc7chicago.com

BBM -I think LE were trying to protect the actual 911 caller who wasn't one of the roommates. IMO

<snipped>
The two other roommates were home at the time of the attack but were unharmed. Police said that they were not necessarily witnesses to the incident and have been cooperating with investigators. There was no hostage situation, officials said.

Timeline: What we know so far about the murder of four University of Idaho students

 

[Erutan]

That could be the surviving girls heard noises in the night, but figured they were inebriated roommates falling or arguing or something, and went back to bed (rather than investigating or calling 911). That could have helped pin the times down also (3am-4am?)

Moo

Afaik it was a person who did not live there, who made the call ?

As far as noises, the most practical thing one would think as a student would be people returning from a night out and any cries or yells might be the same , just making undo noise, as in whooping it up ?
One's mind does not immediately go to : "Oh no, someone is in the house -- killing people !".

If they heard something it they might think; "Come on, be quiet, we're trying to sleep...".
Or something similar, and that's sad.
So I can imagine that scenario.
The killer has damaged so many lives.


By all accounts this was a peaceful town, students felt safe, and no one expected such a horrific attack to take place.
M00.

 

[Oregonmama]

Having read multiple posts on this site and various newspapers I have come to the conclusion that:

Kaylee and Maddy had the bedrooms on the top floor
Xana had a bedroom on the middle floor
Dylan and Beth had the bedrooms on the bottom floor.

I do not feel there is any relevance as to who rang 911.

Dylan and Beth both slept through this nightmare oblivious to what was occurring.

My belief is that the killer/s entered the house just before the crimes took place.

If you are targeting one person you are taking a huge risk of disturbing other room mates.

I believe this was a random attack by more than one person.

I think the sp entered the sliding door in the kitchen area and exited through the front door. The sp's intended victim was in the kitchen at the time, JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Poor women indeed. I pray that they did not hear anything and that they were not cowering in fear. If they were hiding, that could account for why they didn't call 911 themselves.

I agree on hoping they heard nothing, but I don't think they'd spend almost 7-8 hours hiding in that house with their dead roommates and not call 911.

JMO

 

[Oregonmama]

Afaik it was a person who did not live there, who made the call ?

As far as noises, the most practical thing one would think as a student would be people returning from a night out and any cries or yells might be the same , just making undo noise, as in whooping it up ?
One's mind does not immediately go to : "Oh no, someone is in the house -- killing people !".

If they heard something it they might think; "Come on, be quiet, we're trying to sleep...".
Or something similar, and that's sad.
So I can imagine that scenario.
The killer has damaged so many lives.


By all accounts this was a peaceful town, students felt safe, and no one expected such a horrific attack to take place.
M00.

I think more will come out from LE and I do believe there was another person that has not been publicly stated to preserve the case who was there but survived, JMO. I think the 911 caller was a bf of another roommate that discovered an unconscious person outside of the house. JMO