ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

[C Auguste Dupin]

It almost looks like the linoleum "wood" type of floor.
There's no real spaces I can see between slats.
I don't know any more. Only IMO.

Seems like that would get darned slippery with a film of blood! I bet the perp fell more than once.

 

[juliasalmons]

As I get ready to go to the bars with an apartment full of roommates, my mind keeps drifting to this case.
I hope we get answers soon.

 

[Astro71]

Anyone else feeling discouraged by the lack of info in this case 9 days in? I don't feel like we know much more now than we did on day 1. Wonder if things will rev back up after Thanksgiving since LE referenced feeling hindered by the holiday break.

For the families, yes.

 

[animaye.c]

Maybe Ethan was the target. Maybe the killer murdered the girls also because he thought Ethan might have told them something. There are myriad possibilities. Maybe it was to silence all of them. Maybe they saw something. Maybe a stash of drugs they weren't supposed to see.

Maybe one of the survivors could have been the target. Four blonde girls lived there, in the dark it'd be pretty hard to make out individuals imo. So many possibilities when theres 4 victims and so many people in their close circle

 

[tara83]

The stalker talk seems to have been started by Mark Fuhrman.He said a random student told him a friend of a friend that Kaylee complained about it.I take this with a HUGE grain of salt.

 

[Sandvol]

For the families, yes.

The only way this killer is going to be caught is through evidence, a clue, a tip, etc. There are no witnesses.

 

[ConcernedAtWork]

The stalker talk seems to have been started by Mark Fuhrman.He said a random student told him a friend of a friend that Kaylee complained about it.I take this with a HUGE grain of salt.

It was confirmed that LE is looking into the stalker *today*

 

[BLISS24]

If Ethan's brother did run over from the Sigma Chi house/was called by survivors when they came across whatever they came across, maybe the brother speaks with 911 at some point in the phone call. Maybe, shocked, he's spitting out everything he can think of.. "I haven't been able to get ahold of Ethan since..." or "No, he isn't conscious." "No, nothing out of the ordinary happened during the time I was with him last night..." or "Well, yeah, this did happen."

I don't know why, but I am just now starting to think about details of Ethan's night.

I agree the 911 call is not being released for a few more likely reasons. And, I'm sure identity and protecting innocent students = a reason to not yet release. Maybe something more serious is mentioned by Ethan's brother.. something that would lead LE to regard Ethan as the target from the get-go.

IDK ANYMORE!

 

[Blue_Painting]

Just a line that jumped out from the most recent NY Times article. Likely meaningless. I knew they had been out separately, but had not read out of town.

"The police said the two surviving housemates had each been out of town, separately, on Saturday and had returned to the house by about 1 a.m."

Idaho Murders: What We Know

Bryan Kohberger, who was studying criminology at another university nearby, faces trial later this year in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students.

www.nytimes.com

 

[drmrgrl]

I know it's hard to imagine someone totally unconnected to any of the four and/or Moscow being responsible for this crime, but I caution everyone against completely shutting that door. Some of the most infamous and horrific crimes in our history have been perpetrated by mentally ill/evil people who really had no connection to the victim other than encountering at the wrong place/time. I'm not saying this is what happened at all, but it's always something that should remain a possibility in your mind even though it's hard to wrap your head around it.

Agreed. Thank you

 

[JurassicParker]

Maybe Ethan was the target. Maybe the killer murdered the girls also because he thought Ethan might have told them something. There are myriad possibilities. Maybe it was to silence all of them. Maybe they saw something. Maybe a stash of drugs they weren't supposed to see.

I feel like a gun is a drug dealers weapon of choice. Quick and efficient. Stabbing someone is personal. Up close and personal. Whoever did this wanted to be in the thick of it. They weren’t discouraged by the thought of being drenched in someone’s blood. They watched the life drain from these 4 people. They killed them each separately. They relished in this. This person is a full blown psycho.

 

[Cedarsage]

I feel like a gun is a drug dealers weapon of choice. Quick and efficient. Stabbing someone is personal. Up close and personal. Whoever did this wanted to be in the thick of it. They weren’t discouraged by the thought of being drenched in someone’s blood. They watched the life drain from these 4 people. They killed them each separately. They relished in this. This person is a full blown psycho.

It’s like one of those “You ruined my life, so now I’m going to ruin yours..” crimes.

 

[SunnyBooBoo]

I think someone mentioned that the perp may have parked far away and walked in/out. Seems likely, but also seems like even on foot (based on aerial footage of the area), there would be something seen on cameras. Maybe it hasn't been released to public yet, but will be? So people can help ID? Or the person was intimately acquainted/avoided videos in area (i.e. scoped that out ahead of time to avoid them). So could be stalker-type, or local, IMO.

I agree that this was a planned attack. Primarily because there are no bloody footprints or bloody handprints on exit of the house, and they can't even confirm which door he came in and left out of. I do believe he scoped out and practiced this path before. Where he knew there were cameras, he probably avoided or even crawled on the ground to avoid being easily caught on camera, IMO.

This case is so unnerving. I don't even live close to Idaho and am being extra cautious these days. I really hope he is caught soon.

 

[Cinque à Sept]

Knife skill might be relative to what the victim(s) was doing at the time.

Quick wash off, change of clothes, didn't drive to scene.

So many possibilities.

Every adult who's every fed themselves since childhood has skill with a knife. They know how to stab and cut. This is what was relayed to me in a class on knife fighting. Fear someone with a knife at arm's length. You will be cut.

Orenthal James Simpson had no formal knife (that I'm aware of)or military training. Yet, he was able to subdue and kill a young man half, or more, his age and kill him with a knife.

Ron Goldman was no slouch. He was in excellent physical condition and martial arts expert/black belt. OJ was a great athlete but broken body if I remember from his trial. Yes, Ron may have been blitzed (I don't recall). But again, if he was it shows you don't need training or skill to be effective with a knife.

Moreover, OJ didn't need "skill" or training to basically cut his ex wife's head off with said knife. Tactics are nice but violence rules the day, as they say.

 

[Ceska]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... I had not heard the police speak of a stalker until tonight, anyway, that was what was reported on the TV tonight.

 

[h3yd000]

Because LE clearly states, "On the night of the incident." LE didn't show up at the residence until after the 911 call was made, which was around noon.

I also kind of wondered if they meant the dog returned Sunday night. Because that’s technically the night of the incident, since they have been referring to the murders taking place in the early morning hours of Sunday. Just my thoughts, but the wording struck me odd. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Dat515]

My gut feeling says there is no way you just see an unconscious body in what LE calls a "very gruesome scene".

The 911 stuff is just too strange to me.

I really feel like LE know a lot more and are just going through the motions. Hopefully we'll know more soon!

MOO

I think a lot of times “unconscious body or person” is used regardless of what is reported until LE OR EMTs arrive to officially make a call on whether it’s a death or not. We also still don’t know exactly how victims were found, I believe up until this point they’ve only confirmed the floors. We don’t know what those who found them saw, let alone the trauma they’re experiencing and experienced in that moment. Just my opinion & something to think about!

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Do we know any more about this? Who shared about the stalker, a friend, relative, multiple? Any details?

No detail, but it’s already been looked into for a specific time period. Doesn’t mean there was no stalker, just that she apparently didn’t report it to MPD.

 

[mysteryfan96]

My theory still remains the same days after I originally posted it- this was done by someone the girls knew (either really well OR just very casually in passing). This wasn’t the work of a sophisticated serial killer or efficient murderer trained in the military. This was sloppy and careless, fueled solely by emotions such as jealousy, anger, and pure rage. The crime scene investigators have said the scene was very sloppy with tons of evidence left. The longtime FBI profiler also agrees. None of the facts as we know them line up with a well-prepared and trained serial killer. They instead point towards a more immature individual who was more concerned with exacting revenge and brutality than not potentially getting caught or hurt.

A military trained killer would have killed with precision, not multiple haphazard and angry slashes and stabs to the torso. That many stabs indicates someone who has zero anger/rage control. Military assassins are disciplined and efficient killing machines.

And serial killers almost always have a signature or calling card MO. Most involve luring or tricking victims into close contact with them so that they can abduct and/or torture their victims. Most serial killers aren’t into rage killing houseloads of victims. I’m aware it’s happened before, so it wouldn’t be unheard of. But it’s just incredibly rare. A serial killer could strike any time he wanted to do so. But some vengeful and scorned incel wanting to punish Kaylee might have had no other choice than to murder her that night before she moved back in with her parents and out of state for good.

Maybe I’m just a boring and unimaginative slave to statistics, but I keep going back to the overwhelming percentage of murders being committed by someone acquainted with the victim.

Also, I think there are a few discussion points which others on here seem to find critical, but which I find completely inconsequential. For instance, the whole 911 call/unconscious person debate seems like a big nothing to me. There’s no way the roommates had anything to do with this. And there’s so many ways either they or their friends who made the 911 call could have used the phrase “unconscious”. Maybe it was the 911 operator who paraphrased that. Maybe the 911 operator asked them point blank if the person appeared conscious and they replied no. Maybe they didn’t even get a close look at their deceased roommates at first and just thought one or more were unconscious. There’s no malice or importance to the crime there, at least IMO.

And then there’s the dog. Kaylee’s dog survived. Not a big deal as it relates to the crime. Doesn’t necessarily signify anything at all. Pets survive murders all the time. Some dogs don’t bark at all. Most killers have no interest in killing a dog, especially if it’s just sitting there. If someone targeted one or more of the victims, the dog was not the aim of their rage. The killer murdered the object or objects of his rage, then killed anyone else he encountered who got in his way. Just like the girls downstairs shut up in their rooms, the dog posed no threat to him.

I’ll say lastly that so much seems to be focused on the inconsistencies and confusing statements coming from law enforcement. That really isn’t a surprise for three reasons: a) as investigations develop, theories change, b) law enforcement often says things and lies to confuse, frighten, or comfort the suspects, and c) much of what they’re saying seems confusing to us because we haven’t seen what they’ve seen (if we had walked the crime scene, seen the evidence, and talked to witnesses, a lot of our confusion to their statements and theories would be cleared up). I think it’s unfair to judge law enforcement’s inconsistent and sometimes illogical statements as proof they don’t know what they’re doing or have bungled the case. There is so, so much that not even the families have been told as of now that the police do know. I guarantee that there are very specific reasons they are saying what they’re saying.

 

[wary]

1pm Moscow ID time

Pacific Time—Moscow is on the west side of Idaho