ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 9

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  • #801
First time poster, not sure if this is allowed even though I’m not naming names.

Upon doing a quick street view on google maps to take a look around the King Rd neighbourhood, I was curious to check out the house on Walenta Dr that is directly behind the King Rd house. There’s many pictures of the backyard that offer up a clear look at the back of the house and side of 1122.

Upon doing a bit more research on sex offenders that have lived in the area, it’s interesting to note that one in particular lived on the Walenta Dr, at the very house behind 1122.
 
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My theory is the reason they have said from the beginning that this was a targeted attack is because someONE was targeted and suffered the brunt of the injuries. It is for this reason the kids did not immediately know their roommate was dead, and instead assumed s/he was unconscious. It is also for this reason they are not releasing the 911 call, because then we would know who was NOT targeted as well as that the wounds were not obvious on all victims.
 
  • #804
Maybe we have all been too focused on Maddie and Kaylee. Notice the people around them being cleared. The focus could have very well been Ethan and Xana, and potentially someone following them home from the party at the frat as perhaps something happened there. That's the theory I'm leaning toward at this point.
 
  • #805
My theory still remains the same days after I originally posted it- this was done by someone the girls knew (either really well OR just very casually in passing). This wasn’t the work of a sophisticated serial killer or efficient murderer trained in the military. This was sloppy and careless, fueled solely by emotions such as jealousy, anger, and pure rage. The crime scene investigators have said the scene was very sloppy with tons of evidence left. The longtime FBI profiler also agrees. None of the facts as we know them line up with a well-prepared and trained serial killer. They instead point towards a more immature individual who was more concerned with exacting revenge and brutality than not potentially getting caught or hurt.

A military trained killer would have killed with precision, not multiple haphazard and angry slashes and stabs to the torso. That many stabs indicates someone who has zero anger/rage control. Military assassins are disciplined and efficient killing machines.

And serial killers almost always have a signature or calling card MO. Most involve luring or tricking victims into close contact with them so that they can abduct and/or torture their victims. Most serial killers aren’t into rage killing houseloads of victims. I’m aware it’s happened before, so it wouldn’t be unheard of. But it’s just incredibly rare. A serial killer could strike any time he wanted to do so. But some vengeful and scorned incel wanting to punish Kaylee might have had no other choice than to murder her that night before she moved back in with her parents and out of state for good.

Maybe I’m just a boring and unimaginative slave to statistics, but I keep going back to the overwhelming percentage of murders being committed by someone acquainted with the victim.

Also, I think there are a few discussion points which others on here seem to find critical, but which I find completely inconsequential. For instance, the whole 911 call/unconscious person debate seems like a big nothing to me. There’s no way the roommates had anything to do with this. And there’s so many ways either they or their friends who made the 911 call could have used the phrase “unconscious”. Maybe it was the 911 operator who paraphrased that. Maybe the 911 operator asked them point blank if the person appeared conscious and they replied no. Maybe they didn’t even get a close look at their deceased roommates at first and just thought one or more were unconscious. There’s no malice or importance to the crime there, at least IMO.

And then there’s the dog. Kaylee’s dog survived. Not a big deal as it relates to the crime. Doesn’t necessarily signify anything at all. Pets survive murders all the time. Some dogs don’t bark at all. Most killers have no interest in killing a dog, especially if it’s just sitting there. If someone targeted one or more of the victims, the dog was not the aim of their rage. The killer murdered the object or objects of his rage, then killed anyone else he encountered who got in his way. Just like the girls downstairs shut up in their rooms, the dog posed no threat to him.

I’ll say lastly that so much seems to be focused on the inconsistencies and confusing statements coming from law enforcement. That really isn’t a surprise for three reasons: a) as investigations develop, theories change, b) law enforcement often says things and lies to confuse, frighten, or comfort the suspects, and c) much of what they’re saying seems confusing to us because we haven’t seen what they’ve seen (if we had walked the crime scene, seen the evidence, and talked to witnesses, a lot of our confusion to their statements and theories would be cleared up). I think it’s unfair to judge law enforcement’s inconsistent and sometimes illogical statements as proof they don’t know what they’re doing or have bungled the case. There is so, so much that not even the families have been told as of now that the police do know. I guarantee that there are very specific reasons they are saying what they’re saying.

Well put. There is also some confusion online about who is who, and who was where when, in this story. Sorry for being vague.
 
  • #806
I’m doing a little research on this. I know the coroner stated the possible presence of blood on the exterior of the house would have been consistent with her findings on-scene inside of the house but I am not taking her word for it as she isn’t that credible IMO and she also didn’t examine the supposed blood she was asked about.

I’m not saying it’s not blood, just that I personally need more concrete evidence for my own verification.
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Fair point and I'm with you a bit on the coroner, however I'm not sure what else it could be. Seems to have the same drip pattern as blood and is in a location that is consistent with where LE has said victims were found. I think someone mentioned the way heating oil would drip or leak it couldn't be that so that doesn't leave many other choices.

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Bringing this over from last thread but don’t think I’ve formatted it correctly.

Could be a lot of things, especially it being a well-known party house. Jager bomb beer pong spill, art project gone wrong, etc. It does behave like blood though. Either way, poor construction for anything to be leaking so easily from the inside.
 
  • #807
I am still open minded about whether the killer was someone known to the victims or unknown. I think there are still good arguments for either theory of the crime and the police seem to have not ruled out either theory.

According to information shared by the Moscow police at Sunday's press conference, they have ruled out some people who knew the victims or who seem to have had some kind of contact with them in the hours before the murders.


"..We do not believe the following individuals are involved in this crime," Moscow Police Department Cpt. Roger Lanier told reporters on Sunday. "The two surviving roommates; a male seen at the Grubb Truck food vendor downtown, specifically wearing a white hoodie; [and] a private party who provided rides home to Kaylee and Madison in the early morning hour of November 13th..."


...Lanier confirmed they have ruled out Mortensen and Funke in connection with this crime, as well as a male who is seen on camera at the food truck that Goncalves and Mogen stopped at before going home...

As far as I know, the police have not ruled out Kaylee's former boyfriend, JC, though Kaylee's own parents have emphatically stated that he had nothing to do with the crime.

Parents of murdered Idaho student insist ex-boyfriend is innocent parents of Idaho murder victim Kaylee Goncalves are maintaining their daughter's ex-boyfriend's innocence after it was revealed that she called him many times the night she and three others were killed.
Steve and Kristi Goncalves spoke with Fox News host Lawrence Jones on Saturday evening about the ongoing investigation into the stabbing death of their daughter Kaylee and three of her roommates last Sunday.
The couple said investigators are 'wasting their time' looking into...their daughter's ex-boyfriend.

'[He] is just as distraught as we are. [He] is our family. [He] is 1,000 percent, 2,000 percent our family, and [he] is with us,' Kristi told the host. 'We stand behind him 100 percent.'

We don't know much about the relationship between Kaylee and her former boyfriend. However, a review of the photos that she shared in her public Instagram feed (https://www.instagram.com/kayleegoncalves/) suggests that their romantic relationship peaked during their high school years. Her IG feed shows a number of photos of them together through the end of the 2018-19 senior year in high school.

Kaylee's photos suggest they graduated in June, 2019 and then both enrolled at the University of Idaho. Starting with her freshman year IG feed, Kaylee's IG feed is full of photos of her sorority sisters, her travels and college life but there are no photos of her and JC that would suggest that they remained a couple on campus.

Kaylee seems to have raced through her undergrad career (perhaps thanks to advanced placement credits and/or heavy course loads) and was scheduled to graduate in December and she hoped to start a new life as a working adult.


Goncalves, who had joined the Alpha Phi sorority and was a senior majoring in general studies, also had big plans. She’d recently bought a 2016 Range Rover, planned a trip to Europe next year, and expected to move to Texas after graduation.

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  • #808
If the perpetrator is someone who was present in one or more of the victims lives what are the chances of the perpetrators friends/family becoming suspicious?

Would a person who is capable of this kind of horrific violence be able to hide any potential red flags from those close to them?

Would there be any way for them to tell that something is off? Maybe a strange reaction at the news of this tragedy being broken to them?

Is there anything about the nature of the crime that indicates that they may be adept at fooling those around them?

Would love to hear opinions on this?

I’m no psychologist and this truly baffles me!
 
  • #809
From the link:

"Autopsies were conducted on November 17th and the Latah County Coroner confirmed the identity of the four murdered individuals and their cause and manner of death as homicide by stabbing. The coroner stated the four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds, and each was stabbed multiple times..."

Is this the first time it's been said that SOME had defensive wounds? I thought that only X had defensive wounds....
Yes! Important detail!
 
  • #810
The article doesn't fit the headline. I read the article. It seems a bit clickbait because it didn't address the topic.
True. But they have said they don’t understand how they didn’t hear or call and that they still don’t understand almost at every press conference so maybe that’s what they should have quoted instead of just titling it that way
 
  • #811
The article doesn't fit the headline. I read the article. It seems a bit clickbait because it didn't address the topic.
Agree. Nothing there to read. Annoying clickbait.
 
  • #812
If the perpetrator is someone who was present in one or more of the victims lives what are the chances of the perpetrators friends/family becoming suspicious?

Would a person who is capable of this kind of horrific violence be able to hide any potential red flags from those close to them?

Would there be any way for them to tell that something is off? Maybe a strange reaction at the news of this tragedy being broken to them?

Is there anything about the nature of the crime that indicates that they may be adept at fooling those around them?

Would love to hear opinions on this?

I’m no psychologist and this truly baffles me!

They might in turn protect.
 
  • #813
The article doesn't fit the headline. I read the article. It seems a bit clickbait because it didn't address the topic.
Certainly not a thorough treatment of the topic, but I don’t think I’ve read that investigators are befuddled by the
True. But they have said they don’t understand how they didn’t hear or call and that they still don’t understand almost at every press conference so maybe that’s what they should have quoted instead of just titling it that way
Definitely not a thorough treatment of the subject, but the first paragraph seems relevant. I haven’t seen this reported at least:

“Law enforcement agents are everywhere in a small Idaho town trying to figure out how a killer could fatally stab four University of Idaho students to death without their roommates hearing.”
 
  • #814
I think that the knife is significant. Everyone in Idaho has a gun, or can get one. Killing with a gun, seems to be very impersonal.

The knife, shows rage. And planning. I have my own theory on this crime. Knives are now the number one method of killing in the UK.
 
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Just a thought - when KG and MM walk up to order at the Grub Truck, he says “welcome back!” Has anyone watched earlier Grub Truck streams to see if they show up and if there’s any people that show up repeatedly when they’re also there?
 
  • #817
But they were all asleep when they were attacked.
Correction. The actual wording was that they were all asleep "BEFORE" they were attacked, which doesn't exclude the possibility that someone was asleep, but awakened in advance of being attacked.
 
  • #818
here is an interesting observation from video from chanleycourtTv today, the 2nd floor bedroom at the rear which we are guessing was the empty one - has a breezeblock /cement block just under the window and through the glass it appears as if the handle is in horizontal position, would that be unlatched position? Police were out around that area today lookin around.
Interesting, that would be the safest approach for the perpetrator by far, particularly if they knew that bedroom was empty. I keep thinking that entering through one of the main two doors (1st floor, 2nd floor sliding glass) would potentially be incredibly risky for the perpetrator.
 
  • #819
Something has been bothering me. The last roommate pic they had, who took it? Possibly a timer, but doesn’t seem so. I’m sure they will find out who else was there that day. If it was someone taking a pic, doesn’t seem like they were close enough to be in it. I’m wondering if someone felt overlooked or excluded by the group of close friends.
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Something has been bothering me. The last roommate pic they had, who took it? Possibly a timer, but doesn’t seem so. I’m sure they will find out who else was there that day. If it was someone taking a pic, doesn’t seem like they were close enough to be in it. I’m wondering if someone felt overlooked or excluded by the group of close friends.
I have been wondering And asking the same question
 
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