ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[MzOpinion8d]

from the recent PEOPLE article:



The elder Kunz says the boy's parents were setting up camp and assumed Mitchell's grandfather, who was also on the trip, was watching the boy. The grandfather assumed the boy's parents were watching him, says Kunz.

"There's a four-minute window where no one had an eye on him," says Kunz, 70. "My grandson is paying the ultimate price for this."

As of now, investigators are still combing the camp site, officials say. The boy's parents refuse to come down from the site until they have a definitive answer that their son, who loved trucks and carried a baby blanket, is not there.

"My family has been torn apart," says Kunz. "He's my little buddy. I don't wish this on anybody."
http://www.people.com/article/missing-boy-idaho-grandfather-speaks

hmmmmm....I still grapple with this explanation. It does not seem consistent with other statements about how it happened.

And what is this 4 minute window?

I don't know how they got to 4 minutes, but I think they are mistaken. Based on the way the campsite is described, it seems highly unlikely he could have gotten far enough out of sight that they couldn't find him when they started looking. Unless maybe there's some type of hole he fell in? Surely they would have discovered a hole by now, though.

Just to be clear I'm not implying anyone with him did anything to him; I'm stating that I think their timeline is flawed.

 

[teeandcee]

The "4 minute window" quote came from a grandfather that wasn't at the campground when DeOrr disappeared. Even the parents said it was 10 minutes. I suspect it was even a bit longer.

Thanks. I'm losing track of times and I never have been able to keep track of who's who.

 

[Lizzzard]

This 4-minute window is leading me right back to a mountain lion. Aside from tumbling down into a stream, I just don't see any other explanation. Well, aside from this mysterious friend, but still....4 minutes to do whatever and successfully hide a body? I can't see that as a logical possibility. I'm sticking with the stream or a lion.

Every morning I eagerly come here first thing and am crestfallen when the little fella is still not found.

I respectfully disagree with the lion or bear theories. Had there been either animal in the area or a fresh kill, the helicopter's infrared camera would have found it. That same helicopter recently found a 16 year old girl that had gotten separated from her grandfather while hiking. They found her under a tree that had fallen on her and trapped her.

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/girl-rescued-after-being-trapped-under-tree-on-lion-mountain/31766670


http://www.twobearair.org/search-crews-rescue-teenager-trapped-near-lion-mountain/

 

[Wendy101]

umm.. do we know if GreatGrandpa was sleeping in a tent - or a camper?

 

[flourish]

My 85 year old father helps babysit one of his grandchildren. I don't think he's ever the only one there though...and they're in a house.

My hinky meter just isn't going off here. Maybe it's because I grew up around there and am familiar with the terrain and culture. Maybe it's because I share an ancestor with this family and like to believe my dna is super wholesome. But they seem, like LE said, solid.

I think little man wandered off, got lost and perished from animal(s), injury or drowning. I think they just haven't found him yet.

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[LadyL]

omg this gives me ugly flashbacks to high school math exams

please don't ever do this to me again

:gaah:

Because I enjoy math problems...(okay... Don't ask)...

I was,checking the math...

4/10ths of a mile is 40% of a mile

There are 5,280 feet in a mile...

40 % of 5,280 feet = 5,280 X .40 = 2,112.00 feet...

there are 100 yards (or 300 feet) in a football field...

therefore... 2,112 feet divided by 300 = Just a little over 7 football fields...(7 Remainder 12 feet, to be exact...)

HTH... :seeya:

 

[Elainera]

I don't know how they got to 4 minutes, but I think they are mistaken. Based on the way the campsite is described, it seems highly unlikely he could have gotten far enough out of sight that they couldn't find him when they started looking. Unless maybe there's some type of hole he fell in? Surely they would have discovered a hole by now, though.

Just to be clear I'm not implying anyone with him did anything to him; I'm stating that I think their timeline is flawed.

Yes of course the timeline is flawed. They were on a little vacation, they most likely didn't look on their watches but estimated the times in retrospect. I think the "window" could be anything from 2 to 20 minutes.

 

[LadyL]

there's no chance IMHO that a kidnapper is going to stop at a store in the area & bring the kidnapped child inside with him the same day of the kidnapping

either the timeline is wrong & it was DK sr. & jr. OR it was a completely different father & son

if DK jr. was kidnapped, the abductor(s) would've taken the quickest route out of there without stopping for anything IMO

If the store clerk actually saw the missing toddler at 6 this would mean a possible kidnapping. She should be able to easily state if the man with the boy was not the father of missing boy, or even if the toddler she saw was the same as the missing boy. Then check her work schedule ..and of course receipts from the registrar which should tell time, date and what purchased, at least amounts anyway and the picture should get a lot clearer.

 

[Elainera]

Question: yesterday we read that Deorr couldn't walk well on level ground, I think grandpa said this.
Do we have any further information on this?

 

[leilarose68]

has the EMT bag been discussed? I'm so confused about this detail

 

[renarde]

The store sighting is so strange. Was it mentioned that the boy was actually inside the store? Maybe he was in a truck parked at the store, and someone saw him then, crying? Was a candy bar purchased at the store?

The store is in a very small town, population of about 100. I am sure there is probably a very small staff at this store, and anyone from out of town is probably very noticeable. Especially someone with a "bawling" child.

I want to know more about this incident, even if it did occur before 1 p.m. The store clerk might've been one of the last people (besides family) to see him.

 

[Jules71]

has the EMT bag been discussed? I'm so confused about this detail

Nope. We're still in the dark about it. The only thing I can think of is someone had a cut or something and was treated from supplies in a bag. So maybe there was used gauze or something found in it. Or it was found away from the camp. Or they had one that is missing. Not sure but the offscreen person in the interview sure seemed urgent in getting answers. To me it sounds like she says "have you told him/them about the emt bag". Maybe one was found in the search.

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[jmcgladr]

I know several 72-year-olds I would let babysit. My father died suddenly at 72, but only months before that he'd been camping and fishing with the family. It's not really all that old, actually. Paul McCartney, Judge Judy, and America's Vice President are all 72, for instance.

Yeah, my Dad is 70 and he's camping with my kids right now! He can handle my 8 and almost 10 year olds all day long. Really depends on the individual's physical and mental fitness.

 

[ClaireNC]

Because I enjoy math problems...(okay... Don't ask)...

I was,checking the math...

4/10ths of a mile is 40% of a mile

There are 5,280 feet in a mile...

40 % of 5,280 feet = 5,280 X .40 = 2,112.00 feet...

there are 100 yards (or 300 feet) in a football field...

therefore... 2,112 feet divided by 300 = Just a little over 7 football fields...(7 Remainder 12 feet, to be exact...)

HTH... :seeya:

LOL I realized my mistake and deleted my post. You are right. And I also enjoy math problems. Must have been a senior moment.

 

[ninij9]

Nope. We're still in the dark about it. The only thing I can think of is someone had a cut or something and was treated from supplies in a bag. So maybe there was used gauze or something found in it. Or it was found away from the camp. Or they had one that is missing. Not sure but the offscreen person in the interview sure seemed urgent in getting answers. To me it sounds like she says "have you told him/them about the emt bag". Maybe one was found in the search.

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Or this EMT bag could be missing along with little Deorr? That is a thought that scares me.

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[ClaireNC]

Or this EMT bag could be missing along with little Deorr? That is a thought that scares me.

That same thought crossed my mind.

 

[Snoopster]

has the EMT bag been discussed? I'm so confused about this detail

I read an earlier post where someone said that they thought it sounded like "empty bag".

 

[teeandcee]

I respectfully disagree with the lion or bear theories. Had there been either animal in the area or a fresh kill, the helicopter's infrared camera would have found it. That same helicopter recently found a 16 year old girl that had gotten separated from her grandfather while hiking. They found her under a tree that had fallen on her and trapped her.

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/girl...s-rescue-teenager-trapped-near-lion-mountain/

That is why I don't really think it's a habituated bear, but a lion, otherwise I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. Should it turn out to be a predator I assume it took off with him, especially once all the activity started with the search. I think the infrared helicopter wasn't sent in till the 15th. Even if it was sent up just a few hours later on the day he went missing he'd either be consumed by then (no body for infrared to pick up) and/or the animal could be miles and miles away.

Using the principle of Occam's Razor I think he's in the water, but a lion attack is my next close guess. Water or lion are the only two things I can think of that explain his quick and complete disappearance (with the facts we have currently).

 

[Snoopster]

I don't understand what benefit there would be in pretending there's a kidnapping, except possible money scams but there's no indication of that in this case.

Someone might want to pretend there was a kidnapping if there was a tragic "accident" and they didn't want to be judged for it. I'm not saying this is the case here...but we have seen that in other cases. There is a desire to deflect blame.

 

[Cardinal47]

It is 8 miles up a rough gravel road. That means you can only drive slowly, thus 40 minutes to get that far.

I know it was asked up thread. Did they have a four wheeler with them? I know they are searching on four wheelers but I wonder if they took one with them and that's what they were using?

Too many things we just don't know.