ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[katydid23]

What's an EMT bag? Is it like a first aid kit?

My son used to be an EMT and he still carries the bag in his trunk in case it is needed. An EMT bag is a very extensive 'first aid' kit. I think Deorr's mom is a nurse so she would be able to use it's contents.

Bandages & Dressings:

1 Triangular Bandage
1 1” Adhesive Tape
3 3” Sterile Conforming Bandages
8 4” x 4” Sterile Pads
2 5” x 9” Abdominal Pads
25 1” x 3” Adhesive Bandages
1 3” Elastic Bandage
1 Burn/Blood Stopper Bandage
Airway Management:

1 CPR Lifeshield&trade
1 Plastic Bite Stick
EMS Supplies:

2 Instant Ice Packs (5” x 9&#8221
8 Antimicrobial Hand Wipes
10 Triple Antibiotic Ointment
4 Ammonia Inhalants
EMS Equipment:

1 Thermal Rescue Blanket
4 . Latex Gloves
1 Instrument Pack
4-1/2” Splinter Forcep,
5-1/2” Bandage Scissor
5-1/2” St. Kelly Forcep
Deluxe Shears
Penlight,
Lifesaver Seat Belt Cutter

 

[Jules71]

Just posting this info again.

http://pix11.com/2015/07/13/grandmother-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/

According to a Salmon Search and Rescue news release, the 911 Dispatch Center received a call from family members at 2:35 p.m. on July 10 that their 2-year-old son had gone missing from their camp. The family told authorities he had been gone for an hour.

“My dad was standing their watching him and he turned his head and then (Deorr) was gone,” Clegg said. “It appears like he just vanished.”

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[katydid23]

Just posting this info again.

http://pix11.com/2015/07/13/grandmother-of-missing-2-year-old-he-just-vanished/

According to a Salmon Search and Rescue news release, the 911 Dispatch Center received a call from family members at 2:35 p.m. on July 10 that their 2-year-old son had gone missing from their camp. The family told authorities he had been gone for an hour.

“My dad was standing their watching him and he turned his head and then (Deorr) was gone,” Clegg said. “It appears like he just vanished.”

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THIS^^^ brings up some questions. By this version, Grandpa suddenly realizes that the baby has vanished. At that point does he begin calling out to him loudly, and screaming for help? Because the parents were supposedly just 50 feet [or yards?] away at the creek. Wouldn't they hear if someone was calling out for Deorr?

OR does Grandpa just sit back and not worry because he thinks, for some reason, that a 2 yr old is going to be able to find his parents ?

 

[blefuscu]

DeOrr's mom is a nurse? Hmmmm. That kinda cements that the parents have nothing to do with this. I think had he had an accident she could cope with that, if dad had hurt him then I think mom would have attended to him too. Dad for me seemed genuine on the raw video. I don't think they hurt that baby.

 

[katydid23]

DeOrr's mom is a nurse? Hmmmm. That kinda cements that the parents have nothing to do with this. I think had he had an accident she could cope with that, if dad had hurt him then I think mom would have attended to him too. Dad for me seemed genuine on the raw video. I don't think they hurt that baby.

I have not verified myself that she is a nurse. I saw it posted upstream.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think they purposely hurt him either. But the story of him going missing seems a little odd, imo.

 

[teeandcee]

Do these lions come out during the day?

Mountain lions do come out during the day. Most lion attacks I've read of are during the day. Of course that's when humans are most active as well.

Lions have territories, but I'm not sure if they have a home cave or home tree (I see someone answered that already). Probably like house cats, they have their favorite sleeping areas. They don't cache food in a tree that I've ever heard of or carry it up a tree. They'll cover it on the ground by scratching up leaves, dirt, and debris from all around it so it'll look like a debris pile. They'll then lounge nearby to guard it. Although with a toddler I'm not sure if there'd be enough left to guard or cover. Again, I really hate typing that.

 

[ninij9]

Ugh, ok reading and re-reading.

I think Grandpa was watching the little guy. Looked away for a moment. Looked back and he was gone. I think then, for some strange reason, he assumes Deorr toddled off to Mommy and Daddy. (WHY, OH WHY???) Then a few minutes later Dad came back to camp looking for Deorr to show him the minnows. Gramps said, well, I looked up, he was gone and I thought he walked to you guys.

This ^^^ is the only scenerio of
innocence I can think of that incorporates grandpa's 2 stories. I can think of loads that are more devious.

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[*JMO*]

Any new media updates? Everything I have seen is at least a day or two old. Any confirmation that the search on the mountain is or is not suspended?

 

[katydid23]

Ugh, ok reading and re-reading.

I think Grandpa was watching the little guy. Looked away for a moment. Looked back and he was gone. I think then, for some strange reason, he assumes Deorr toddled off to Mommy and Daddy. (WHY, OH WHY???) Then a few minutes later Dad came back to camp looking for Deorr to show him the minnows. Gramps said, well, I looked up, he was gone and I thought he walked to you guys.

This ^^^ is the only scenerio of
innocence I can think of that incorporates grandpa's 2 stories. I can think of loads that are more devious.

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Sad to think that a grandfather would assume all was fine if his 2 yr old toddled off into the wilderness. Why assume he found his parents? That is the part that I find so odd. On one hand, he says he just 'vanished.' Then he says that he thought he went to the parents. It is hard to correlate these two statements. JMO

 

[ninij9]

DK sr. is the missing child's father. The "grandpa" is actually a great-grandfather. He is the father of the grandmother with the initials TBC. She is the mother of JM. (The missing child's mother's initials are JM.)

Thank you for this clarification!

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[Jules71]

Sad to think that a grandfather would assume all was fine if his 2 yr old toddled off into the wilderness. Why assume he found his parents? That is the part that I find so odd. On one hand, he says he just 'vanished.' Then he says that he thought he went to the parents. It is hard to correlate these two statements. JMO

I agree. But again it's what two other people said happened. Not what grandpa said. There is what Dad said. And there is what grandma said which she had to have been told by someone (if she was not there). So who did grandma hear that from? That he looked away and then was gone like he vansihed?

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[Ragamuffin]

Remember David Gonzalez, the boy who went missing in a second at Big Bear? I remember parts of him were found a year later, and I'm pretty sure they said it was a Mountain Lion. Nobody heard or saw a thing, it was fast and deadly. So, it *can* happen.

(Sorry if this has already been mentioned, I didn't see it if it has been.)

 

[Jules71]

Deorr Jr = missing toddler
Deorr Sr = Jr's dad
Jessica = Jr's mom
Grandma = Jessica's mom
Grandpa = Jessica's grandpa

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[Aeronomy]

Transcript of unedited interview from about the 8:00 to the 10:00 minute mark. Within it, it does clear up that the grandfather is the mother's grandfather and that DeOrr was playing when the parents left.


Reporter: Was anybody camping around you?

DK: That we don't know is, I come to find, I didn't know the area and I didn't know, (??) it's very open, but you can't see much. There's uh, a road that goes up and along the top by . . . we're camped underneath the reservoir, basically right below it, and you can go up above the reservoir and I didn't even know the road was... did that. I didn't know the road was up there and as I travelled up there myself I come to find out I can see everything going on in that campsite, but you can't see out. You can't see up, you can't see around, and if anybody comes to the bottom of your campground, you can't even see who they are.

Reporter: So they could've come to your camp and you wouldn't know it?

JM: [Nods in agreement.]

DK: They could have came in you couldn't never, never know it. And with the water, was not very, was not a fast running . . . It's a creek, but it is quite loud moving through the logs and things like that, so hearing range is not all that far either. So (??) you couldn't hear anybody coming up either.

Reporter: So he was just kind of playing and you guys were doing your thing, and then you notice, 'Oh, he's not here' . . .

DK: He, he was playing with . . .

JM: He was, yeah. He was with my grandfather.

DK: He was playing with grandpop. He was over . . . he was getting ready for a nap. (??) It was almost, by that time it was almost two and he usually takes his nap. Um, we, we was just, yeah, we decided we were going to go a little exploring and he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire. We weren't more than probably 50 . . .

JM: Ten minutes.

DK: Fifty yards away and ten minutes, uh, well, (??) the time we'd, I'd seen him to the point I'd figured out he was gone. And I come back up from the creek and I've actually seen . . . there were some things down by . . . a little minnow that I thought he would just love. So when I come back up to get him and I yelled over to grandpa, uh, "Where is," you know, "Where is little DeOrr?" he, immediately, shocked, he says, "I thought he came up to you."

Because it's such a small area, that's what a lot of people, they don't understand is, they assume "How could you let your kid out of your sight?" This area is pretty well blocked in and you can see. . . you could . . . there's no way you couldn't not see him and. . . well, we thought. And in, just in a split second your whole world is upside down and. . . vanished. There's not a trace found. That's the other reason why this has been called on the news as a suspension, because, it is not a suspension but there's not a single trace of him. This child loses stuff. He's two, almost three.
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Why go back for DeOrr at naptime?
Where was mom when dad is heading back up the creek?

 

[ninij9]

Deorr Jr = missing toddler
Deorr Sr = Jr's dad
Jessica = Jr's mom
Grandma = Jessica's mom
Grandpa = Jessica's grandpa

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Do you know was Grandma also camping? I can't seem to find out. Or if the other 2 children (Jessica's?) Were there?

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[Mysti88c]

Remember David Gonzalez, the boy who went missing in a second at Big Bear? I remember parts of him were found a year later, and I'm pretty sure they said it was a Mountain Lion. Nobody heard or saw a thing, it was fast and deadly. So, it *can* happen.

(Sorry if this has already been mentioned, I didn't see it if it has been.)

Looks like maybe they ruled out Mountain Lion in that case and were down to murder or exposure http://www.mountainlion.org/newsstory.asp?news_id=258

 

[Jules71]

Do you know was Grandma also camping? I can't seem to find out. Or if the other 2 children (Jessica's?) Were there?

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I've read nothing to indicate anyone was there besides mom, dad, deorr, and gr. Grandpa. It's possible but nothing to substantiate it either way.

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[Inthedetails]

Transcript of unedited interview from about the 8:00 to the 10:00 minute mark. Within it, it does clear up that the grandfather is the mother's grandfather and that DeOrr was playing when the parents left.


Reporter: Was anybody camping around you?

DK: That we don't know is, I come to find, I didn't know the area and I didn't know, (??) it's very open, but you can't see much. There's uh, a road that goes up and along the top by . . . we're camped underneath the reservoir, basically right below it, and you can go up above the reservoir and I didn't even know the road was... did that. I didn't know the road was up there and as I travelled up there myself I come to find out I can see everything going on in that campsite, but you can't see out. You can't see up, you can't see around, and if anybody comes to the bottom of your campground, you can't even see who they are.

Reporter: So they could've come to your camp and you wouldn't know it?

JM: [Nods in agreement.]

DK: They could have came in you couldn't never, never know it. And with the water, was not very, was not a fast running . . . It's a creek, but it is quite loud moving through the logs and things like that, so hearing range is not all that far either. So (??) you couldn't hear anybody coming up either.

Reporter: So he was just kind of playing and you guys were doing your thing, and then you notice, 'Oh, he's not here' . . .

DK: He, he was playing with . . .

JM: He was, yeah. He was with my grandfather.

DK: He was playing with grandpop. He was over . . . he was getting ready for a nap. (??) It was almost, by that time it was almost two and he usually takes his nap. Um, we, we was just, yeah, we decided we were going to go a little exploring and he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire. We weren't more than probably 50 . . .

JM: Ten minutes.

DK: Fifty yards away and ten minutes, uh, well, (??) the time we'd, I'd seen him to the point I'd figured out he was gone. And I come back up from the creek and I've actually seen . . . there were some things down by . . . a little minnow that I thought he would just love. So when I come back up to get him and I yelled over to grandpa, uh, "Where is," you know, "Where is little DeOrr?" he, immediately, shocked, he says, "I thought he came up to you."

Because it's such a small area, that's what a lot of people, they don't understand is, they assume "How could you let your kid out of your sight?" This area is pretty well blocked in and you can see. . . you could . . . there's no way you couldn't not see him and. . . well, we thought. And in, just in a split second your whole world is upside down and. . . vanished. There's not a trace found. That's the other reason why this has been called on the news as a suspension, because, it is not a suspension but there's not a single trace of him. This child loses stuff. He's two, almost three.
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Why go back for DeOrr at naptime?
Where was mom when dad is heading back up the creek?

BBM

I'm still on the fence, though I'm leaning toward tragic wandering-away. Still....that bolded part above sort of bugs me. "He was going to be good" implies that he wasn't always "good." In fact, he was recently fussy at the store with Dad. That one little phrase stands out to me an emphasis that Dad wasn't happy with the little boy at the time and perhaps even implying that the boy wasn't, in fact, "good."

I could totally be over-analyzing this, I realize that. My main curiosity at the moment is why the dad and the boy were at the store. Why did they leave camp and when did they return?

I also agree that if it were a mountain lion, it was fast and quiet. If it were wandering off, it was probably a drowning. Otherwise, the little boy would've cried out when he heard his family looking for him.

JMO.

 

[Jules71]

In the video Dad says they went down to the store as a family earlier in the day to get some things.

I'm going back to listen to that part again.

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