ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #1

[3blue1pink]

Do you know was Grandma also camping? I can't seem to find out. Or if the other 2 children (Jessica's?) Were there?

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Grandma was not campin with them . On the interview jessica says . ( I called my mom (grandma) and she was up in here in a few hours ) . Im paraphrasing

 

[Sleepawaycamp]

On NG now

 

[2Hope4]

I believe he is in water. So sad. Watching on hln now

 

[kaen]

Are there signs of animals in the area?

 

[iamnotagolem]

Grandma was not campin with them . On the interview jessica says . ( I called my mom (grandma) and she was up in here in a few hours ) . Im paraphrasing

Jessica's grandpa was camping with them, not Jessica's dad. So Jessica's grandma would be her grandpa's wife, not her mom. Does that make sense? So I still wonder if Grandma was camping with them as it really sounds like there are 2 people talking in the background of Jessica's 911 call and Deorr Sr went up the road to make his 911 call.

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Dad comes across, at least to me, to be overly calm and collected, almost too sure of himself and the statements he's making? Just my opinion, of course I don't know the man.

Heartbroken Parents of Missing 2-year-old: “We’ll find you, son”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/heartbroken-parents-of-missing-2-year-old-well-find-you-son/

 

[concernedmother]

If he was carried off by a bear or something there would be traces of clothes left behind. jmo

 

[Elainera]

Right. Me too. And remember dad says they went to that store earlier as a family. But Jessica doesn't mention the store clerk seeing her just a "gentleman and young blonde boy". Dad says in the interview they hadn't left the campsite since 1:00 and were with search and rescue until?? (Quarter to 4??) So why rule out a possible sighting there at 6?? Was the boy crying when the family went prior to 1? Could the clerk really mistake the time by 5 or more hours?

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Just jumping off your post.

All these discrepancies could just be confusion brought about by intense fear.

I once was scared so much and so intensely that I was talking complete nonsense, couldn't use proper grammar anymore, was fumbling for simple words, and certainly would not have gotten times correct anymore. The mind simply does not function very well when one is very, very scared. I believe these two are utterly scared, overwhelmed by it. They literally cannot think straight right now. All their times are estimates, I believe. They probably hardly eat nor sleep.

 

[Jules71]

Jessica's grandpa was camping with them, not Jessica's dad. So Jessica's grandma would be her grandpa's wife, not her mom. Does that make sense? So I still wonder if Grandma was camping with them as it really sounds like there are 2 people talking in the background of Jessica's 911 call and Deorr Sr went up the road to make his 911 call.

The grandma being discussed is Jessica's mom. She was not camping with them. Once Jessica called her about Deorr missing she was up there within a couple of hours.

The grandpa being discussed is Jessica's grandpa. He was camping with them.

The latest article stated the campers were Mom, Dad, Deorr, Jessica's grandpa and his friend.

 

[Elainera]

While I understand concerns being posted about mountain lions , I can tell you that bears are more of a threat than anything else.

Ok, thank you for that.


I'm lagging behind a bit with this thread, might be he is in the water .....


Might come back to you later about bears.

 

[Elainera]

Are there signs of animals in the area?

Nothing like that was reported in relation to Deorr's disappearance.

 

[DesertCookie]

I would have a hard time staying that calm.

Agreed.. I don't know how these parents are keeping it together. The worst nightmare is to lose your child. I pray they find him. I'm watching Nancy Grace right now and they're talking kidnapping because they can't find him in the woods or water. Very strange case.

 

[concernedmother]

Just think it would be a really bold kidnapper to snatch him with gp and a friend sitting there. Where did he park? That area looks really isolated. How did he get to the campsite? How far did he walk either way? Lot of questions to believe this was a kidnapping. If this was a camp ground with people camping all around it would be alot easier to abduct a child. How did they know that a child was camping there? Apparently they had just sit up camp. jmo

 

[iamnotagolem]

I don't understand why the family is stating they believe it was an abduction. Best case would be he wandered into the woods and by some miracle is still alive.

 

[concernedmother]

I don't understand why the family is stating they believe it was an abduction. Best case would be he wandered into the woods and by some miracle is still alive.

I think its because he never goes anywhere without his blanket, cup and monkey. But you know 2 year olds. If he saw a squirrel or anything. he may chase after it without stopping to take his things. jmo

 

[Vail]

The latest article stated the campers were Mom, Dad, Deorr, Jessica's grandpa and his friend.

BBM

These are the last two people to purportedly see the little boy alive and we've heard next to nothing from or about them. And why suddenly is there a second person?

 

[Aeronomy]

I don't understand why the family is stating they believe it was an abduction. Best case would be he wandered into the woods and by some miracle is still alive.

I have a theory, but TOS prevent me from typing it. Of course, I hope the theory is incorrect.

 

[Elainera]

Missing child expert assists in search for toddler

The Lemhi County Sheriff's Office has called in some help from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). The NCMEC has sent out one of their search and rescue specialists to help with the search for 2-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr.

The NCMEC says in this case it's a little unusual for a 2-year-old to go missing and not even a trace to be found, but it's not unprecedented. The NCMEC says often times people would think a 2-year-old would be wandering around the forest, crying, and looking for help; when in fact they could burrow down and find shelter for themselves.

"Children are resilient, but may be afraid. If they see searching, may be afraid to come out and reveal themselves. so all those things have to be kept in mind. Often times our searchers recommend searchers to get on their hands and knees," said Robert Lowery, Vice President for the Missing Children's Division at the NCMEC.

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/loca...ty-sheriffs-office-calls-in-experts/30213577/

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

Father's sister states that parents don't want to be asked any questions and are going to be "off" for a few days to wrap their heads around what has happened...so don't bother them. Uh...WHAT??

I am sure that if what has been alleged is true, that the little boy was in the great grandfather's care when he went missing, I'm sure they're beyond devastated...........and depending on their age and health, could really take a toll on them........but it's odd that if the GGF was truly the last family member to see him, well surely people are going to want to speak to him?

Watched full unedited interview and dad gives me hinky feeling. He said "I" ALOT. Never referred to mom as his mother. Interrupted her everytime she spoke. Prattled on and on about search stuff. When the person off camera was starting to say that something needs to be addressed (you can hear the urgency in the off camera female voice) dad held up his hand and interrupted HER to stop her from speaking and said, "We'll get to that" to continue to talk about the search. WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED? Dad darted eyes to right constantly while talking and contradicted himself when he said that you could see someone COME IN, but then later said you couldn't see OUT of area they were in. If you can't see out, how can you see someone come in?

I agree!! What stood out to me in the extended interview, was how overly-complimentary the Dad was about the various members of search and rescue, the crew in the chopper, LE, etc. It just seemed such an odd focus for the Dad of a missing little boy, to go on and on and on like this. If anything I would ?expect a lot of parents in a similar situation to be fearful that LE/S&R/searchers had maybe somehow 'missed something' because, afterall, how does a small little boy like that in such a reportedly (by Dad) safe/isolated, rather encapsulated area just disappear so quickly when help was there to search for him so quickly?

This is just my opinion, obviously, but I almost get the impression that he's trying to steer things away from his son being somewhere "out there", maybe in hopes that child won't be found, for unknown nefarious reasons?

Also, with regard to the person in the background, the female voice we hear mentioning quite adamantly that something about the "EMT bag needs to be addressed" and it seems to me that Dad was pretty quick to shut that down.

Now..........what sounded like "EMT bag", could also be "EMPTY bag." Say both out loud, they both sound very much alike. "Empty bag" would make a lot more sense than "EMT bag."

Do we know how old great grandfather is?....and what kind of physical condition he's in, particularly in terms of hearing/mobility? Would he have been someone agile and vision/hearing acute enough to really keep a good close eye on a curious and quick little boy?

Also........what is sound like in this area, in terms of echo, sound carrying.................meaning, if the little boy had wandered some distance away and was, God forbid, attacked by a mountain lion or other animal, would one not expect to hear his panicked cries/screams for quite a ways?

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

I apologize if this has already been asked/discussed..............but other than this little boy's parents/family members who were out there camping............are there any independent witnesses who can 100% corroborate that they had seen this little boy there in the campground/with the family? Other campers? campground staff? vistors of other campers in the campground?

I guess what I'm really asking is.............how do we know for 100% sure that little Deorr was even there at the campsite with his family to begin with??