ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #13

[ReadySet]

I cannot get on board with stranger abduction for lots of reasons. But a known abductor? TBH, that makes far more sense, especially when adding in their early statements about "who would hate us?" etc. But I'm not sure how that would tie in with the documentary. It could just be that they're as lost and confused as we are and grasping at straws -- anything that offers hope.

I agree with you about a known abductor.
How could doing the documentary give the parents hope?

 

[giagreen]

SB said they were taking samples of ml scat. Why would he be doing that if no ml were in the area? And who is doing the actual scat taking? Who is to say he doesn't have anyone up there looking into that? Up till a few weeks ago nobody even had a clue that they were out there still searching all most every weekend.

Reaching out to the family and coming back here to report it would very much be against tod. You should know that!!!

It doesn't matter if you or anyone likes or dislikes the mldi theory one fact remains and that's we have just as much room to discuss it and point put facts here just as much as anyone els does.
I think its kind of sad that I also think he could of been abducted or wondered off....but just because a few people don't think a ml could of done it I've had to spend most my time defending myself and why I think its possible.

 

[ReadySet]

As far as I can tell, there has been no evidence that DeOrr was taken or killed by a wild animal, nor any evidence that he was abducted, nor any evidence that he was killed by his parents or by any of the other people who were there, nor any evidence that he fell in the river and was carried away, nor any evidence that he simply wandered off and got lost.

As far as I can tell, there's really no evidence whatsoever that anything happened to DeOrr. Except he's gone, so obviously something happened to him.

No evidence that WE know of.

 

[wondering25]

SB said they were taking samples of ml scat. Why would he be doing that if no ml were in the area? And who is doing the actual scat taking? Who is to say he doesn't have anyone up there looking into that? Up till a few weeks ago nobody even had a clue that they were out there still searching all most every weekend.

Reaching out to the family and coming back here to report it would very much be against tod. You should know that!!!

It doesn't matter if you or anyone likes or dislikes the mldi theory one fact remains and that's we have just as much room to discuss it and point put facts here just as much as anyone els does.
I think its kind of sad that I also think he could of been abducted or wondered off....but just because a few people don't think a ml could of done it I've had to spend most my time defending myself and why I think its possible.

i dont recall SB saying anything about ml scat. SCAT, YES, but i only recall he said there were wolves and bears. MOO

 

[ClaireNC]

You know, I think we really need to just agree to disagree on the whole mountain lion thing. Some of us believe that the chances of a mountain lion snatching the baby are very remote and we have presented the facts to support that. Other people are dead set on it being a mountain lion attack and have presented their facts. Each side is not going to convince the other to change their minds, so this has just become arguing for the sake of arguing.

I am one of the many people who rarely post any more because every time I check in the discussion is on mountain lions. Can we please now just leave it alone and move on?

 

[dek]

I can't find anything stating that SB specifically was taking samples of ML Scat. This is what I've read. Have I missed any other statements regarding the scat being identified?

"Bowerman told KTVB the grid search involved animal feces identification, also known as scat, to help rule out abduction by animal. There were reports bears or mountain lions could have been in the camping area at the time DeOrr disappeared, but Bowerman says those animals bury their prey nearby. And his search found nothing.

"We've found not one article that would indicate abduction either by animal or person," said Bowerman."

http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/2015/10/06/new-developments-in-missing-2-year-old-deorr-kunz-jr-case/73483858/

 

[ReadySet]

Oh, so no matter how much factual information about the probability of a mountain lion having taken little is offered, those who espouse that "theory" must do so for the sole purpose of covering up of some imagined truth. Hmmm, what COULD that "truth" be then? Well, if people are trying to cover it up as what was apparently meant in that post, that MUST mean, IMO, that they "believe" something nefarious happened to little DeOrr <modsnip>

Maybe this is the crux of the problem.
Several posters, including myself, have conceded the POSSIBLITIY of the mountain lion theory. Possiblity is more objective. It's either possible or it's not. But when posters go on to challenge the PROBABILITY, that is not accepted. Probability means that is likely that it did happen. That's where you are getting disagreement. I know you are keeping an open mind to the possiblities, so surely you don't want everyone to agree that your theory is probable.

 

[shefner]

I have two 10 week old kittens who are brothers. They play and bite and wrestle each other, and us, when they get riled up. LOL
I am sitting here now watching them. Just going to say that no mountain lion would take a small child without a trace.

 

[pepelepolecat]

SB said they were taking samples of ml scat. Why would he be doing that if no ml were in the area? And who is doing the actual scat taking? Who is to say he doesn't have anyone up there looking into that? Up till a few weeks ago nobody even had a clue that they were out there still searching all most every weekend.

Reaching out to the family and coming back here to report it would very much be against tod. You should know that!!!

It doesn't matter if you or anyone likes or dislikes the mldi theory one fact remains and that's we have just as much room to discuss it and point put facts here just as much as anyone els does.
I think its kind of sad that I also think he could of been abducted or wondered off....but just because a few people don't think a ml could of done it I've had to spend most my time defending myself and why I think its possible.

bbm -- I'm not saying this disrespectfully or rudely or snarkily. Tone can be hard to read online, so I want to clarify that before I say anything else.

When I say that I don't believe a ML is responsible for DeOrr's going missing, it's not a personal attack on you or anyone else who believes in the MLDI theory. It's simply a different opinion.

 

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

Stop with the sniping, personalizing, or ridiculing opinions/efforts of other posters. Everyone is here because they care about Deorr, but at this point not one of us KNOWS what theory is right/wrong. If you don't like what you're reading, scroll and roll, or use the Alert feature and let a Mod/Admin deal with it.

 

[shefner]

Could we start a thread where we discuss the possibility of alien abduction? This has not yet been mentioned....:bricks:

Just kidding.

I actually quit following this thread because these stories are quite heartbreaking. So many children go missing and we know that the likelihood of them being found safe and sound is not good. The not knowing drives me insane...and then if we do find out what happened, it stays on your mind and in your heart for a very long time.

 

[Mountaingazer]

SB said they were taking samples of ml scat. Why would he be doing that if no ml were in the area? And who is doing the actual scat taking? Who is to say he doesn't have anyone up there looking into that? Up till a few weeks ago nobody even had a clue that they were out there still searching all most every weekend.

Reaching out to the family and coming back here to report it would very much be against tod. You should know that!!!

It doesn't matter if you or anyone likes or dislikes the mldi theory one fact remains and that's we have just as much room to discuss it and point put facts here just as much as anyone els does.
I think its kind of sad that I also think he could of been abducted or wondered off....but just because a few people don't think a ml could of done it I've had to spend most my time defending myself and why I think its possible.

Did he specifically say mountain lion scat? I read an article where he said they had been testing scat and then went on to mention prior reports of bear and mountain lion sightings in the general area, but not that they were testing mountain lion scat. Am I looking at the wrong article?

 

[pepelepolecat]

Could we start a thread where we discuss the possibility of alien abduction? This has not yet been mentioned....:bricks:

Just kidding.

I actually quit following this thread because these stories are quite heartbreaking. So many children go missing and we know that the likelihood of them being found safe and sound is not good. The not knowing drives me insane...and then if we do find out what happened, it stays on your mind and in your heart for a very long time.

As frustrating as the not-knowing is for us, I cannot imagine how horrific it must be for the family. I think I'd go mad in their shoes. I guess this is why I get involved. It helps me remember these little faces, little stories, and honor them in whatever way I can. I can't help much more than raise awareness, but at least I can do that much.

 

[giagreen]

I have two 10 week old kittens who are brothers. They play and bite and wrestle each other, and us, when they get riled up. LOL
I am sitting here now watching them. Just going to say that no mountain lion would take a small child without a trace.

I'm sure I'll get jumped here for this.

But honestly a ml is not a cute little kitty cat. You can't really compare the two.

Again, here is Jaryds story. A three year old who was hiking with a large group of people. He had ran ahead and was never seen again. Nobody heard a sound. They had hundreds of searchers. They had helicopters that looked for him. Nothing was found. No blood. No shoes. Nothing. Till three year later two hikers stumbled across some of his clothes. It turns out a ml did take him and do that to him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/shredded-clothes-tell-sad-story-10-06-2003/

Its not that I want or really even care if you or anyone believe a ml took DeOrr. And I really am not challenging anyone. I just think its kind of wrong for people to jump on two posters who believe different yet a poster saying it's just impossible when its actually been proven to be possible and by me pointing it out is considered challenging others. And I'm sure now all the but the sheriff said he ruled it out comments will come and when I defend that I guess that will also be considered challenging. Its all kind of wrong but that's just mo

 

[bessie]

:modstop:

Give it a rest, people.

 

[DexterMorgan]

The child isn't big at all. And a hungry nice size mountain lion could devour him fairly quickly. I just wonder how far do they travel to conceal their catch from other lions and humans. Would they drag him for 1 mile or what?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.localnews8.com/news/one-...for-deorr-kunz-jr-before-winter-hits/36027954

ONE LAST SEARCH UNDERWAY FOR DEORR KUNZ BEFORE WINTER

(More at link above...)

***************************************

- SAR and volunteers will be involved...

- reservoir it will be down...

- plants will be flatter...

JMO...

 

[ILOKAL]

The child isn't big at all. And a hungry nice size mountain lion could devour him fairly quickly. I just wonder how far do they travel to conceal their catch from other lions and humans. Would they drag him for 1 mile or what?

Yesterday I posted a link for a life-size museum quality mountain lion with a little girl sitting next to it who appeared to be about 5-yo. It's a few pages back. They will drag or carry the kill to a place hidden and out of sight. If it is not consumed in its entirety, the mountain lion will often move it again every time it eats. They DO hide their prey (they don't bury it underground) by covering it with dirt, leaves, sticks, and other debris. Although they normally keep their kills on the ground, they do sometimes take smaller prey into trees to hide with it until danger is no longer present. They are not known to consume the kill In a tree. Oh, and a mountain lion need not be hungry to kill easy prey that puts it at no risk. Their home range is usually 100-500+ square miles, more for males than females. There is at least one case of a child who was taken a great distance and therefore wasn't found during a search. The child was eventually found many years later. I think giagreen has more information on that case.

 

[ninij9]

http://www.localnews8.com/news/one-...for-deorr-kunz-jr-before-winter-hits/36027954

ONE LAST SEARCH UNDERWAY FOR DEORR KUNZ BEFORE WINTER

(More at link above...)

***************************************

- SAR and volunteers will be involved...

- reservoir it will be down...

- plants will be flatter...

JMO...

Great news!

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[giagreen]

i dont recall SB saying anything about ml scat. SCAT, YES, but i only recall he said there were wolves and bears. MOO

I am not challenging you nor looking for an argument but yes SB has said there are ml in several different interviews now. He only stated that they seen bears and wolfs running threw camp as they were searching. A ml more then likely wouldn't. They are very different then bears and wolfs.

"Now this is really rugged country. Uh real steep on one side and uh downhill and uh just a lot of rocky, rough terrain. You know we’ve got wolves. We’ve got mountain lions. We have bears. We have mountain lions…er…I mean wolves and bears in the campground on the first weekend of our search."