ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #14

[neesaki]

This article with video are about a documentary being done about 8 y/o Samuel Boehlke who went missing from Crater Lake in 2006. I assume it's the same documentary we've discussed here before which will also include little Deorr's case and others. Samuel's father saw him run up ahead and climb over a rock face, when he caught up with him he had disappeared. No trace of Samuel has ever been found.

David Paulides hopes the documentary has a message of awareness…
“For families. Families of people that have lost people, to let them know that they’re not alone. And awareness, for families that go onto the wilderness, to keep their family members close.”

https://kobi5.com/news/regional-news/missing-boy-remembered-in-documentary-3963/

 

[pepelepolecat]

Children are at risk from wolves, bears, water, exposure and human predators too...

Personally, from the reading I've done on mountain lions, I think that many websites exaggerate the danger posed by mountain lions because the people writing them have an agenda - the like hunting mountain lions, and want the laws restricting killing them to be eased. Yes a mountain lions can kill a human - they're wild animals, and predatory ones at that, of course they sometimes kill humans. But they usually don't see humans as a food source and prefer other prey, and that's why mountain lion attacks are so rare imo. I've read many demonstrably untrue things online about the habits of mountain lions, and even seen people falsely representing stuffed mountain lions as real ones in order to make a point.

Wolf attacks: According to this source, there've been about two dozen nonfatal attacks in 100 years and only two fatal attacks by wild wolves in the US. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35913715/...-attack-unnerves-alaska-village/#.VjoR4tWrTnA

Bear attacks: These seem to be equally uncommon as wolf attacks. http://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/bears.htm

Water: Fifth cause of unintentional death, says the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Water-Safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html

Exposure: Lots of information at the CDC site: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr076.pdf

Human predators: Abduction by strangers accounts for about 25 percent of abduction cases while family/friend/known abductor accounts for 75 percent of abductions.

I won't bother with a link for the second paragraph since it clearly stated "personally," "imo," and "I think" and therefore strikes me as obviously opinion/speculation. imo, and moo.

Hope no one minds me adding the links. I came up with some interesting stats re: most dangerous animals to people in the U.S. (bees, wasps, and dogs, unsurprisingly), too, but decided not to share since they really aren't the topic of conversation (and wouldn't be pertinent to this case, imo). imo, moo.

Facts are linked, and opinions are stated as such.

 

[Trident]

When the years have gone by and nothing has been found or theories proven, a little boy is still lost. We all need to keep an open mind, as best we can, with all the interesting thingees that keep cropping up. (No, I don't have a link, it's called an OPINION based on what I read here daily.

I, myself, am a firm believer in keeping it simple. Child moving around alone, cat possibly comes attracted by the camping noise, and child is gone. Searchers miss so much, dogs miss so much. Who can be sure?

I do have a few other ideas, but they would be against TOS. We must leave it up to MSM or SB to inform us of what they think happened.

 

[Dee10]

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1485496411742998

Thank you for the liink. Jumping off this information, Jessica was being very open to answering questions last night. She may be realizing clearing up rumors maybe better then letting them stand? Maybe Tricia could ask her to come on her show? Just a suggestion.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Not trying to be rude, but it seems more likely a wild animal got him than a pedophile hiding in a rock pile. But, that's just me.

No, I think most people will agree that nature is a powerful force and is more likely to be to blame when someone goes missing in the wilderness. But in this case, I think there's another unknown -- a random pedophile is highly unlikely, but someone known is not as unlikely (although I'm still not sure how they'd get the opportunity or be able to vanish so completely -- canoe? kayak? Noise carries over water, so both of those seem nigh unto impossible. ATV? Also noisy but may vanish into the background noise of the outdoors -- almost like white noise?

thinking out loud here ... pure speculation and opinion only.

 

[razzledazzle]

MOO... I think if an animal got him, there would be evidence such as clothing or a toy recovered.

 

[Trident]

MOO... I think if an animal got him, there would be evidence such as clothing or a toy recovered.

Half the time (I need stats on this) searchers and dogs miss the whole body, let alone clothing and a tiny toy car. Take the lady recently gone missing from the Appalachian Trail. There are hundreds of cases like that. I'm not sure how many really understand how VAST the wilderness is, or how hard it is to find anything, let alone a tiny toy or a boot. Real life isn't like the one-hour cases we see on TV. Mother nature is HUGE, she is what she is, and that isn't necessarily caring and sharing.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Half the time (I need stats on this) searchers and dogs miss the whole body, let alone clothing and a tiny toy car. Take the lady recently gone missing from the Appalachian Trail. There are hundreds of cases like that. I'm not sure how many really understand how VAST the wilderness is, or how hard it is to find anything, let alone a tiny toy or a boot. Real life isn't like the one-hour cases we see on TV. Mother nature is HUGE, she is what she is, and that isn't necessarily caring and sharing.

Yeah, it seems like early morning joggers, dog walkers and public pottiers are far more likely to find dead bodies than rescuers. But that could just be the way the news makes it sound! I've been out in the wilderness and have no doubt that it'd be nearly impossible to find a tiny car, camo boots or a camo jacket after all this time. And he himself is so tiny ... scavengers ... and other unpleasant thoughts. But I do hope he's found. I so hope he's found. He needs to be brought home to the people who love him.

 

[Rayemonde]

This article with video are about a documentary being done about 8 y/o Samuel Boehlke who went missing from Crater Lake in 2006. I assume it's the same documentary we've discussed here before which will also include little Deorr's case and others. Samuel's father saw him run up ahead and climb over a rock face, when he caught up with him he had disappeared. No trace of Samuel has ever been found.

https://kobi5.com/news/regional-news/missing-boy-remembered-in-documentary-3963/

Well done for finding a MSM link about this documentary! I feel certain that this is the documentary DeOrr's parents took part in. David Paulides is author of the Missing 411 series of books and founder of the North American Bigfoot Search organization, and hints at a supernatural cause for these mysterious disappearances, and a government coverup.

Thank you for the liink. Jumping off this information, Jessica was being very open to answering questions last night. She may be realizing clearing up rumors maybe better then letting them stand? Maybe Tricia could ask her to come on her show? Just a suggestion.

That's a really good idea.

Yeah, it seems like early morning joggers, dog walkers and public pottiers are far more likely to find dead bodies than rescuers. But that could just be the way the news makes it sound! I've been out in the wilderness and have no doubt that it'd be nearly impossible to find a tiny car, camo boots or a camo jacket after all this time. And he himself is so tiny ... scavengers ... and other unpleasant thoughts. But I do hope he's found. I so hope he's found. He needs to be brought home to the people who love him.

Didn't some stand-up comedian do a bit about how "it's always the dog walkers" that find the bodies, and how suspicious that is? :giggle: I can't remember who it was, though.

 

[Trident]

Well done for finding a MSM link about this documentary! I feel certain that this is the documentary DeOrr's parents took part in. David Paulides is author of the Missing 411 series of books and founder of the North American Bigfoot Search organization, and hints at a supernatural cause for these mysterious disappearances, and a government coverup.



That's a really good idea.



Didn't some stand-up comedian do a bit about how "it's always the dog walkers" that find the bodies, and how suspicious that is? :giggle: I can't remember who it was, though.

Maybe they were trying to say these "SAR dogs" ain't what they're cracked up to be? Also, I find humor a tad bit out of whack right here, right now. We saw pics of snow around Leadore yesterday, snow that could be covering a tiny body. I find nothing to giggle about. Maybe in a couple of years, but for me, not today. Too much pain.

 

[Angiebla]

I didn't realize I had mentioned anything about a pedophile. Nor in the article, where are you getting that?

To be fair, that is the most likely reason people abduct kids. Sad but true.



The statistics someone posted upthread are verified cases involving wildlife. That doesn't include the people that vanished without a trace who were also victims.

Little Deorr could have tripped and hit his head on a rock and died from a subsequent brain bleed. There are several possibilities as to what happened to him.

 

[neesaki]

To be fair, that is the most likely reason people abduct kids. Sad but true.



The statistics someone posted upthread are verified cases involving wildlife. That doesn't include the people that vanished without a trace who were also victims.

Little Deorr could have tripped and hit his head on a rock and died from a subsequent brain bleed. There are several possibilities as to what happened to him.

I do realize what you're saying, but the article only says he "disappeared" nothing about an abduction, no reason or explanation mentioned. It could be anything, just like Deorr at this point.... as you say, several possibilities.

 

[Trident]

I do realize what you're saying, but the article only says he "disappeared" nothing about an abduction, no reason or explanation mentioned. It could be anything, just like Deorr at this point.... as you say, several possibilities.

I meant to answer your earlier post, but when I got back here it was gone. At least I can't find it. I realize you didn't mention abduction or pedophiles, and neither did the article. However, animal predation is almost always ruled out even though I did not see that in the article, just going by what I've read about other disappearances. On the other hand, many parents of missing children DO believe/or say they do, that the child was abducted. That leaves not much but accident with no body, or bigfoot. While I believe bigfoot is possibly alive, I doubt he's stealing kids.

Without getting myself in a further wordy mess, I want to say abduction in the wilderness seems very unlikely because how many abductors (probably pedophiles) would be hiding in the rocks or behind trees in the hope that a child would wander by? Not very many I think, a cat would be much more likely. At any rate, I meant no disrespect to you, LOL. I agree with you most of the time. :truce:

 

[Trident]

Maybe they were trying to say these "SAR dogs" ain't what they're cracked up to be? Also, I find humor a tad bit out of whack right here, right now. We saw pics of snow around Leadore yesterday, snow that could be covering a tiny body. I find nothing to giggle about. Maybe in a couple of years, but for me, not today. Too much pain.

Sorry for quoting myself, but I didn't mean to be so hard on Raymonde. The sight of that snow near Leadore made me very sad. I get so sick of little kids disappearing and I got a little bit ugly. :blowkiss:

 

[desert-blue]

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/905603702855548

Hope it's okay to share this link - it's a media release by an investigative agency stating that they have been in discussions with DeOrr's family about possibly getting involved with the case.

 

[neesaki]

I meant to answer your earlier post, but when I got back here it was gone. At least I can't find it. I realize you didn't mention abduction or pedophiles, and neither did the article. However, animal predation is almost always ruled out even though I did not see that in the article, just going by what I've read about other disappearances. On the other hand, many parents of missing children DO believe/or say they do, that the child was abducted. That leaves not much but accident with no body, or bigfoot. While I believe bigfoot is possibly alive, I doubt he's stealing kids.

Without getting myself in a further wordy mess, I want to say abduction in the wilderness seems very unlikely because how many abductors (probably pedophiles) would be hiding in the rocks or behind trees in the hope that a child would wander by? Not very many I think, a cat would be much more likely. At any rate, I meant no disrespect to you, LOL. I agree with you most of the time. :truce:

I didn't take it that way, I just wasn't sure if I had missed something or what, which I often do, so don't surrender, at least not yet. LOL... :wave:

 

[dek]

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/905603702855548

Hope it's okay to share this link - it's a media release by an investigative agency stating that they have been in discussions with DeOrr's family about possibly getting involved with the case.

Grandma says they are just waiting for the contract to be emailed.

 

[ZooSleuth]

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/posts/905603702855548

Hope it's okay to share this link - it's a media release by an investigative agency stating that they have been in discussions with DeOrr's family about possibly getting involved with the case.

They (Klein) have done a good job IMO with the Molly Miller case, although it is still unresolved. I wonder what this PI can do that is different than what the other one had to offer?

 

[LookingForClues]

I am so very sad that it's almost 4 months later and we have come no closer to finding little DeOrr. Winter is upon us, making it even more difficult to find any clues of what happened.

 

[giagreen]

They (Klein) have done a good job IMO with the Molly Miller case, although it is still unresolved. I wonder what this PI can do that is different than what the other one had to offer?

I agree. I was checking them put. They seem respectable. I hope this helps in some way.