ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #14

[KayCherry]

I too was hoping some kind of news would have come by now. It is hard to comprehend ...

 

[Yvettea]

Was luminol used around the campsite to look for traces of blood? For instance that rock where DeOrr was last seen would make a good site to check.

 

[jnblsm]

When the years have gone by and nothing has been found or theories proven, a little boy is still lost. We all need to keep an open mind, as best we can, with all the interesting thingees that keep cropping up. (No, I don't have a link, it's called an OPINION based on what I read here daily.

I, myself, am a firm believer in keeping it simple. Child moving around alone, cat possibly comes attracted by the camping noise, and child is gone. Searchers miss so much, dogs miss so much. Who can be sure?

I do have a few other ideas, but they would be against TOS. We must leave it up to MSM or SB to inform us of what they think happened.

A Dingo Ate Your Baby?!?

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[Yvettea]

A Dingo Ate Your Baby?!?

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Mountain lions predate from dusk till dawn. DeOrr was lost early afternoon, several hours before dusk.

 

[giagreen]

Mountain lions predate from dusk till dawn. DeOrr was lost early afternoon, several hours before dusk.

But they do attack in day light as well. This is just one of many examples.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jpB7jrJ7Zds

 

[pappa rob]

Mountain lions predate from dusk till dawn. DeOrr was lost early afternoon, several hours before dusk.

They hunt from dusk till dawn, but will take any prey that presents its self anytime.

 

[ILOKAL]

Was luminol used around the campsite to look for traces of blood? For instance that rock where DeOrr was last seen would make a good site to check.

I'm not sure luminol would have been needed to detect blood. Wouldn't it have been clearly visible right after DeOrr's disappearance if he was on the rock when taken?

 

[Cardinal47]

I am so very sad that it's almost 4 months later and we have come no closer to finding little DeOrr. Winter is upon us, making it even more difficult to find any clues of what happened.

Reminds me of Dylan Redwine. No sign of him and then the snows came and his remains
were found in the Spring.

 

[jnblsm]

Mountain lions predate from dusk till dawn. DeOrr was lost early afternoon, several hours before dusk.

Good to see you here, Han

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[Yvettea]

I'm not sure luminol would have been needed to detect blood. Wouldn't it have been clearly visible right after DeOrr's disappearance if he was on the rock when taken?

There could be small amounts that weren't visible to the naked eye or possibly some hidden by the color of the rock. Use luminol would be much better for revealing trace amounts of blood than simply using the eye.

 

[ILOKAL]

There could be small amounts that weren't visible to the naked eye or possibly some hidden by the color of the rock. Use luminol would be much better for revealing trace amounts of blood than simply using the eye.

I never thought about that. Actually that seems like a good idea. I don't think there is a time limit (due to rain, etc) is there?

 

[Rayemonde]

I don't think he was last seen *on* the rock, was he? I was trying to tie it in with the other information we've had, so I figured he was playing in the dirt next to the rock... Playing with his toy cars, maybe.

 

[Yvettea]

The rock DeOrr was last seen by is new information, and I'm not sure how it fits it :gaah:

Before that, we understood that the last place DeOrr was seen was when his GGP saw him approaching an embankment (was the embankment next to the river? I was never clear on which embankment was meant), and then GGP assumed that DeOrr had gone over the embankment and found his parents. Do I have this right?

But this rock is right next to one of the picnic table in the middle of be campsite, and if a human or animal predator had approached DeOrr there it would definitely have been seen by GGP IMO. So I thought maybe the rock was the last place that DeOrr's *parents* ever saw him, when they left him with GGP?? But the GGP actually saw him after that, next to the embankment??

I think it's possible that the parents last saw Deorr by this rock. Maybe GGP as well??
I'm not sure that GGP saw him near or approaching the embankment, by what SB described.

SB: They went down to the creek which is right next to the campground, and within 10 to 15 minutes they go up to find their child to show him some fish in the stream and he’s nowhere to be found. Grandfather assumes he’s gone down to them because he was within their line of sight and uh, wasn’t too far from the campground.

SB: grandpa is watching the child. He tells me he looks away momentarily. When he looks back, he’s gone, and he’s assumed he’s gone over the bank.

Perhaps Deorr was playing by the rock, when GGP look away momentarily. (or went into the camper momentarily)?

Some earlier discussion about the rock.

If DeOrr was injured near the rock blood could have a sprayed onto the rock or been deposited there by direct contact. The ground around there would be worth checking to if it's possible. I'm not familiar with luminol only that it is remarkable at detecting blood.

 

[Rayemonde]

I really doubt that any animal snatched Deorr from right next to the rock. Surely Ggp would have noticed - there's no cover there.

Then again, if Ggp assumed that Deorr had gone all the way from the rock to his parents in the moment he looked away - then he didn't just look away for a moment, IMO. I remember another poster speculating waaaay back in the threads that Ggp may have nodded off without realising it.

 

[Rayemonde]

Right now I'm thinking that maybe Deorr wandered off looking for his parents, and slipped and fell into the Creek. And then an animal, maybe a lone wolf, came across his body and carried him off. No struggle, no attack, no noise, no blood, no human-aggressive animals lurking in the area.

I read on Wikipedia that wolves will carry a child up to a mile and a half away (but I don't know how true that is - the reference is attributed to a book that I don't have). We know that there were wolves and bears in the area, even running through the campsite during the search. And the Sheriff said in his video interview that a nearby area had been having problems with some of the wolves and had to remove or kill them.
Maybe DeOrr's boots fell off in the Creek and were washed away downstream or got caught under debris, or maybe they just fell off in random places and were overlooked.

But I'm still struggling to believe that an animal would have taken Deorr outside of the more than 3 mile radius search area. And if it had eaten him inside that area, I feel like a clue would have been found. But maybe Deorr wandered a fair distance by himself first, and then maybe an animal would carry a body further away than usual if they were disturbed by the commotion of people searching.

 

[Yvettea]

Maybe the dog was used to cats. If a mountain lion came in the campground he might not alert thinking it's just Garfield's big brother.

 

[Mickshawn]

Maybe the dog was used to cats. If a mountain lion came in the campground he might not alert thinking it's just Garfield's big brother.

Doubt that...

Sometimes when I walk with my dogs, they will gradually slow down and then come to a complete halt. They seem "worried" to me. They will not go a step further...Clearly, they sense something that is threatening to them. They make not a sound and almost look like they want to "disappear" themselves. They make a hard 180 degree turn and pull me home. I trust their behavior.

 

[Rayemonde]

Was it reported that GGP's dog was at the campsite or was that just a rumor? My dog would wag his bottom with a chew toy in his mouth for a human intruder, if he notice them at all, but he can sense another animal a block away and let's you know it. Seems like the dog would have alerted if an animal came into the campground. So it makes more sense that, IF, he were taken by animal it would have happened far enough away that the dog wouldn't notice.


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Good point... All dogs are different though, any one of my dogs would go nuts barking if they spotted a stranger lurking around but others like yours would just wag their tail.

But I bet a dog would be a more likely target of an animal attack than a toddler. Unless maybe the dog was tied up and Deorr had wandered away and just happened to run into an animal.

 

[giagreen]

"When a lion is hunting or alarmed, he explains, it reflexively shuts down its scent, which is why the dogs can no longer pick up a trail."

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2006/06/lion-dogs

Another big assumption people make is thinking that dogs will help fight off a ml attack. But that isn't true. I know we have all probably seen dogs getting attacked by ml on YouTube videos. Dogs will actually attract ml more. And as you can see in some of the videos dogs have no clue till its to late and the ml is dragging them away.

 

[Angiebla]

I was watching those ml vids on YouTube last night, and the thing that amazed me was their lack of fear towards humans.


I hadnt heard anything regarding the GGPA having a dog(s), but I do know wolves like to attack dogs.