ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #14

[DexterMorgan]

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The sheriff has also cleared Lee Harvey Oswald with any wrong doing in the JFK assassination. Lol

But seriously. It seems like all rso were most likely checked by their preferences that they prefer. So hopefully he thoroughly checked them out.

I think it's possible that a couple snatched Deorr to raise him as their own. It's happened before. Jmo.

 

[kammiemc]

Not to mention the potential RSO's that, according to SillyBilly, were known to inhabit the area where IR now resides. This was posted quite a while ago on an earlier thread. I don't remember the RSO camping that close to Deorr's family, I too thought it was a few miles away. Unfortunately I don't have time now to look it up. Maybe later.

There is a lot of connectivity in that little part of the world, and people from Leadore could very know (or be connected to, through mutual acquaintances) one or more of the people at the campsite. I would be surprised if LE (and certainly the FBI) weren't all over that sort of thing.

The sheriff was to meet with the FBI about next steps a couple weeks ago but now it seems like they are not commenting. No comments are not a very satisfying next step for an impatient, enquiring public, are they? . But I trust LE and the FBI are working what they know to the best of their abilities for little DeOrr.


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[kammiemc]

The sheriff has also cleared Lee Harvey Oswald with any wrong doing in the JFK assassination. Lol

But seriously. It seems like all rso were most likely checked by their preferences that they prefer. So hopefully he thoroughly checked them out.

I think it's possible that a couple snatched Deorr to raise him as their own. It's happened before. Jmo.

Isn't that what happened in the Smart case? There are no shortage of freaks on this earth. If we know one thing, it's that!


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[ILOKAL]

Exactly my point..... If there's something we can discuss concerning a human predator perhaps that would be a good direction to take the discussion. :thinking: Well, there are those mountain men, basically homeless men who live in the mountains. That was actually a theory proposed in the Dennis Martin case. If that could be considered a possibility, a mountain man could have taken him miles and miles away.

Although I may have previously thought it to be nearly impossible for a mountain man to secret a little boy in the forest, I then recall the Elizabeth Smart case.

 

[Cardinal47]

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[Cardinal47]

I don't remember reading anything about mountain men, but I do seem to.remember that there was a cabin in the woods somewhere near the.campsite... Anyone else remember that?

BTW, I can't help thinking that LE have decided to look again at the parents, since they recently refused to comment when asked if the parents are suspects. They always plainly said that the parents were *not* suspects before, but now suddenly they won't comment.

I think there is a cabin that somebody working for the park might use and that person was a RSO. But it was long ago and the mind wanders.

I agree with you about the Sheriff. He gives off kind of a strange signal but he has done that since day one.

For Instance; He has to know how these folks are suffering with losing their son. SM started on them the day of their first interview and never let up. Just a few words from him supporting the family would mean everything.

For instance he could say; They passed their polys or I am still good with them or yes they remain POI's but ONLY because they were there.
Even 'they have cooperated fully'.

But he remains cat and mouse. Is it because of his lack of experience in missing children cases? He seems to be working with other agencies but so far nothing from them either.

It's one strange case for sure.

 

[pepelepolecat]

The sheriff has also cleared Lee Harvey Oswald with any wrong doing in the JFK assassination. Lol

But seriously. It seems like all rso were most likely checked by their preferences that they prefer. So hopefully he thoroughly checked them out.

I think it's possible that a couple snatched Deorr to raise him as their own. It's happened before. Jmo.

This would certainly be among the best-case scenarios. He'd be alive and presumably cared for (as long as it wasn't, as another poster mentioned, a couple like the one that snatched Smart).

 

[ILOKAL]

I think there is a cabin that somebody working for the park might use and that person was a RSO. But it was long ago and the mind wanders.

I agree with you about the Sheriff. He gives off kind of a strange signal but he has done that since day one.

For Instance; He has to know how these folks are suffering with losing their son. SM started on them the day of their first interview and never let up. Just a few words from him supporting the family would mean everything.

For instance he could say; They passed their polys or I am still good with them or yes they remain POI's but ONLY because they were there.
Even 'they have cooperated fully'.

But he remains cat and mouse. Is it because of his lack of experience in missing children cases? He seems to be working with other agencies but so far nothing from them either.

It's one strange case for sure.

I think if you recheck his interview with TG he DID say many of those things. Also, there was a specific sentence that immediately followed his reluctance to comment that seems to put things in accurate perspective.

 

[ILOKAL]

I think there is a cabin that somebody working for the park might use and that person was a RSO. But it was long ago and the mind wanders.

I agree with you about the Sheriff. He gives off kind of a strange signal but he has done that since day one.

For Instance; He has to know how these folks are suffering with losing their son. SM started on them the day of their first interview and never let up. Just a few words from him supporting the family would mean everything.

For instance he could say; They passed their polys or I am still good with them or yes they remain POI's but ONLY because they were there.
Even 'they have cooperated fully'.

But he remains cat and mouse. Is it because of his lack of experience in missing children cases? He seems to be working with other agencies but so far nothing from them either.

It's one strange case for sure.

IIRC, the cabin is the one the RSO and his wife reside in at a campground 26 miles from Timber Creek. I don't recall if he is a park employee.

 

[MBK]

This would certainly be among the best-case scenarios. He'd be alive and presumably cared for (as long as it wasn't, as another poster mentioned, a couple like the one that snatched Smart).

Scared, traumatized, crying for his mom. . . if Deorr was abducted by well-meaning saviors of filthy, bawling tots, or by psychopathic (fill in the blank) out to hurt Jessica and her "fiance", well. . .. both situations are horrifically abusive. I see what you're saying . . but it would be utterly misguided for someone to think they were "saving" him. . in this case.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Scared, traumatized, crying for his mom. . . if Deorr was abducted by well-meaning saviors of filthy, bawling tots, or by psychopathic (fill in the blank) out to hurt Jessica and her "fiance", well. . .. both situations are horrifically abusive. I see what you're saying . . but it would be utterly misguided for someone to think they were "saving" him. . in this case.

I definitely did not say or imply they were "saving" him. But if someone took him and is actively caring for him and presumably loving him, that's certainly a better alternative than pedophiles, animals, water, exposure, murderers, etc.

Kids do go missing and turn up healthy and alive. Some more traumatized than others depending on who took them and why. I'm holding out hope he's okay and will get back to his family. It's a tiny thread of hope, maybe, but it's there. I've seen it happen before.

 

[Yvettea]

I definitely did not say or imply they were "saving" him. But if someone took him and is actively caring for him and presumably loving him, that's certainly a better alternative than pedophiles, animals, water, exposure, murderers, etc.

Kids do go missing and turn up healthy and alive. Some more traumatized than others depending on who took them and why. I'm holding out hope he's okay and will get back to his family. It's a tiny thread of hope, maybe, but it's there. I've seen it happen before.

What would you think is the rationale for someone who 'took' him to 'keep' him for any reason in light of the well-publicized abduction/missing person? I would really like to understand how you're looking at this.

 

[kammiemc]

What would you think is the rationale for someone who 'took' him to 'keep' him for any reason in light of the well-publicized abduction/missing person? I would really like to understand how you're looking at this.

Heck, there was a woman who stole a baby from a pregnant woman's stomach because she wanted a child. There's nothing rational about it. Someone taking DeOrr and keeping him is a possibility, but I don't think you could ever say thee would be a logical reason for someone doing so. Some people are crazy.


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[DexterMorgan]

Another thing. The search dogs will not help if he was alive. Due to the fact that his mother's scent would be on everyone of his clothes items. I think only a diaper would give them enough of a unique scent. So I'm surprised the dogs didn't keep coming back to her or their car.

Not because of being guilty. But because of the combination of the scent that would be over all of his items. Jmo. All search dogs are not 100% reliable.

 

[kammiemc]

Another thing. The search dogs will not help if he was alive. Due to the fact that his mother's scent would be on everyone of his clothes items. I think only a diaper would give them enough of a unique scent. So I'm surprised the dogs didn't keep coming back to her or their car.

Not because of being guilty. But because of the combination of the scent that would be over all of his items. Jmo. All search dogs are not 100% reliable.

Well the sheriff did say the dogs kept coming back to the campsite (and that is where the vehicles were). I have heard people say that the dogs were specifically interested in the vehicles but I've ever seen/heard that info reported.


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[desert-blue]

Scared, traumatized, crying for his mom. . . if Deorr was abducted by well-meaning saviors of filthy, bawling tots, or by psychopathic (fill in the blank) out to hurt Jessica and her "fiance", well. . .. both situations are horrifically abusive. I see what you're saying . . but it would be utterly misguided for someone to think they were "saving" him. . in this case.

If he was abducted by someone under any of these pretenses (saving him from neglect or as punishment to JM and/or DK), are we to assume the abductor(s) had a plan and followed the family to the campground, waiting for an opportunity to snatch him? Wouldn't an abductor have an easier time kidnapping the child from his home in Idaho Falls (like Elizabeth Smart's kidnapper, coming in through a window in the middle of the night)? Why would anyone think that an opportunity would arise at an isolated campground when there are four adults, not to mention two dogs, around the child? Is it possible then that the dumping of the cremains could also have been orchestrated by the abductor to throw off the search? Maybe this was an elaborate kidnapping plan? Just thinking out loud... trying to make sense of this case... and honestly, it seems so unlikely to me that a kidnapping could occur under these circumstances.... what a feat, especially since JM has stated they only decided to go on the trip a few days beforehand. Food for thought I guess... speculation only.

 

[haven71]

Rhetorical question: Weren't we asked much earlier by a mod to agree to disagree about mountain lions? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Maybe the mountain lion discussion/debate continues because there really isn't anything much we can talk about. It's kind of a dead end at this point IMO, but I guess that's just me.

I wish I could come up with a new topic to discuss besides predatory behavior, and maybe someone else can. Or maybe we have done all the productive sleuthing we can do for now. :dunno: It happens. JMO

IMO The best case scenario is that a kind, but misguided person found him wandering and took him home, deciding he was neglected and shouldn't be with his parents. That's wrong, but there are people who could think that way. I'm not saying that it's any more likely than an animal, but at least he would be alive. Maybe that's why I'm kind of done with the rather gruesome mountain lion (bear, wolf) debate. Time for me to go back to scrolling and rolling. Carry on. eace:

I was just about to post something similar.

There's a possibility a mountain lion took Deorr. Some people believe the likelihood is next to none, others believe it's possible but unlikely, others think it's probable, and others think it's fact. I believe the non-stop mountain lion info and disagreements are leading away from talking about Deorr's disappearance. There's just nothing left mountain lion-wise to talk about anymore, and I see no purpose. I think we're all pretty "educated" about the animals by now.

I think talking about the creek and the SAR dogs are a lot more relevant to the case. Because we know they (the creek and the SAR dogs) were there. LOL.

I'm open to talking about any possibility except mountain lions at this point. No more beating that dead horse (did the mountain lion get him too?).

 

[DexterMorgan]

Mountain lions do not eat clothing. Or they would atleast regurgitate any clothing items.

Cadaver dogs would have found something by now i think.

 

[giagreen]

Mountain lions do not eat clothing. Or they would atleast regurtate any clothing items.

Cadaver dogs would have found something by now i think.

You "think" [emoji118] key word.

And your right a ml would probably not eat clothing but how big do you really think DeOrrs clothes would be? This isn't a little area.

 

[haven71]

I think there is a cabin that somebody working for the park might use and that person was a RSO. But it was long ago and the mind wanders.

I agree with you about the Sheriff. He gives off kind of a strange signal but he has done that since day one.

For Instance; He has to know how these folks are suffering with losing their son. SM started on them the day of their first interview and never let up. Just a few words from him supporting the family would mean everything.

For instance he could say; They passed their polys or I am still good with them or yes they remain POI's but ONLY because they were there.
Even 'they have cooperated fully'.

But he remains cat and mouse. Is it because of his lack of experience in missing children cases? He seems to be working with other agencies but so far nothing from them either.

It's one strange case for sure.

I don't think he's playing cat and mouse, I think he is genuinely stumped. However, from the latest article (Lord help me find the link) <modsnip> has changed. I still believe he might be baffled, but that the FBI found information or evidence that was not properly analyzed or fleshed out. <modsnip>