ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #20

[kammiemc]

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Well that's one thing to tick off the rinse & repeat cycle!

A very good one to remove from our nightmares.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Thank goodness he cleared that up! I was fuming (pun intended) over that statement. I knew what he meant, but also knew many others didn't. But to be fair, I doubt that he realized how it would be construed. (You have to learn to pick your words very carefully on SM, Mr. Klein.) Anyway, kudos to him and his team for putting that one to rest.

If only he would "trouble shoot" a few more questions. Any chance of getting him on the radio show?!

 

[SweetT]

I never really thought that Deorr was burned by his parents, I may have thought a lot of things happened to him but that wasn't one. I don't know what happened to him at this point but at least that one is put to rest.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It is hard to imagine that anyone will be charged with murder. The child was 2 and 1/2. The parents have not turned on each other. The possibility always exists that he is somewhere up there and fell prey to the elements, animals, the water whatever. There is no body. The parents say abduction. What jury member would convict on these ambiguous details? It appears LE and the PI have decided to turn up the heat. i dont think it is going to work. JMO

bbm

Not yet, but ...we will wait and see.

 

[desert-blue]

SB said he was waiting for the reports from the FBI. Those came back in January. If someone had a legitimate tip, I don't believe s/he would have waited for the parents to be named suspects. JMO

I guess my point was that if the parents were suspects from the beginning (in the minds of LE), it's unfortunate that they weren't able to find anything while the weather was still decent. The FBI must have had some input before January, I would think. I'm just glad the case is moving forward, but I can't help but wonder if charges will be on hold until the snow melts and additional evidence can be gathered. I'm wondering if phone pings are helping and if it really took until January to get that type of information... I think that Klein's involvement has sped things up also and he wasn't hired until November/December IIRC, so well after the first snowfall. Just bad timing, I guess...

 

[giagreen]

Of course I would go back and try to jog the clerk's memory and it makes total sense to do that... If my child was actually with me at the store. If he wasn't then there's a totally different reason why he would go in and ask the clerk those questions. My point is that it hasn't been established without a doubt that Deorr was IN the store with the parents.

I get your point. I was just pointing out that it also never has been established that DeOrr wasn't IN the store either without a doubt. And apparently someone may have seen him in the truck. To me it's just really important to not forget that DeOrr may have actually been there. It could change where he may be and narrow down time. And if someone said they thought they seen him in the truck and the clerk isn't credible then he could be closer to the camp ground. Not in snake river or an hour away.
As far as why DKsr may have went back to the store I have no real opinion on other then I know I would if I were them so wth am I to judge them till I know 100% DeOrr was or wasn't there.

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[Rayemonde]

I doubt they withheld information or told any lies. The polygraph reading was interpreted by the examiner to be inconclusive. Their tests did not show deception.

Sheriff Bowerman:

"They know what happened and where Deorr is currently."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Timelines-and-Maps-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot/page4

Wait... Doesn't that mean they lied? :waitasec:

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Sheriff Bowerman:

"They know what happened and where Deorr is currently."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Timelines-and-Maps-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot/page4

Wait... Doesn't that mean they lied? :waitasec:

You beat me to it, Ray!

 

[DatelineFan]

Sheriff Bowerman:

"They know what happened and where Deorr is currently."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Timelines-and-Maps-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot/page4

Wait... Doesn't that mean they lied? :waitasec:

This sounds like SB is saying that they are lying, without a doubt! Thanks for pulling this up, I had forgotten about it!

 

[bessie]

02:13
SB: Well, after a pretty intense investigation and what I consider a lengthy investigation, we asked all the parties involved to take polygraphs. We were expecting a couple of them to come back inconclusive, and that would be the grandfather and the grandfather’s friend. However, the first polygraph indicated that the parents were being less than truthful, and that concerned me, but you know I take polygraphs with a certain grain of salt so… I sent out their interviews to the FBI, their Behavioral Team. They examined them and found multiple inconsistencies, and so we asked them to re-polygraph, and they said they would, and the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th polygraphs, the same conclusion was made by the experts that they are being less than truthful. They know what happened and where Deorr is currently.

13:54
SB: You know they’ve been very cooperative. They’ve been very willing to talk to me and to my office and to my detectives down in Bonneville County so…not until the first polygraph came out and there was some indication that they were being less than truthful. At that time I was somewhat suspicious but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, so you know…just more recently once the FBI concluded theirs and said beyond any doubt they have knowledge and they are being less than truthful.

20:07
SB: Absolutely. I didn’t want them to think their whole polygraph was deceptive. It wasn’t. They passed portions of it, but the portions on whether they knew where Deorr was or knew what happened to him, they were not being…they were being less than truthful . So that’s why I changed it. I didn’t want them to think…normally you think when someone is deceptive everything they told you is a lie but that’s not the case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-**NO-DISCUSSION-quot&p=12319129#post12319129

Now drop it and move on.

 

[Lilibet]

Thank you Bessie!

 

[pepelepolecat]

I've been away from home most of the day. Has this been posted yet? It's an additional comment published today from Klein in re: his Facebook Q&A from the other day. I am relieved to read this, even tho it doesn't explain to what happened to Little DeOrr:

Klein Investigations and Consulting Good afternoon. Yesterday in an interview Mr Klein answered the question regarding the Deorr Kunz case. We feel we need to clarify Mr Klein's answer. The question involved whether or not there was any evidence to suggest that the child may have been burned. Mr Klein response was no comment. We have received numerous emails and questions regarding his comment. To clarify at this time we have no evidence that suggests that the child had been burned. Thank you again for all of your emails and messages.

This is a relief. I didn't think it was likely -- but it's a gruesome thought either way.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

He lived with his paternal grandfather, who also uses the name Deorr. The great-grandfather on the camping trip is Jessica's grandfather and his initials are RW.

I completely agree with this: nothing of the timeline from 8am to 2:22pm is true but a "myth" and, therefore, no basis for what happened.

And where is JM living: at her great grandfather's house and cares for him or at Deorr Kunz Sr.Sr.'s house and cares for little Deorr ....?
I think, I'm a little bit overstretched with the constellations and the infos I got (not yours!).

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

So, let's take a trip back in time to Rebecca Cox's interview. According to the article below the video (http://www.localnews8.com/news/onemonth-mark-of-the-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34638970), she is the owner of The Silver Dollar Bar and Cafe. <modsnip> Strange in the interview that she didn't mention having seen any of the adults stop by her establishment before DeOrr went missing. Then, again, that could have been cut out of the interview, or maybe the journalist never asked. Like I posted the other day, I've been watching the case from the very beginning and never had a theory UNTIL Klein's most recent Facebook Q&A where I got an eerie feeling that perhaps this was a child molestation ring - I felt it has to be something that horrible for these adults to be in cahoots together. <modsnip>

 

[ReadySet]

I guess my point was that if the parents were suspects from the beginning (in the minds of LE), it's unfortunate that they weren't able to find anything while the weather was still decent. The FBI must have had some input before January, I would think. I'm just glad the case is moving forward, but I can't help but wonder if charges will be on hold until the snow melts and additional evidence can be gathered. I'm wondering if phone pings are helping and if it really took until January to get that type of information... I think that Klein's involvement has sped things up also and he wasn't hired until November/December IIRC, so well after the first snowfall. Just bad timing, I guess...

Maybe there is nothing up there to find? Since we don't know the last time little Deorr was seen....where he might be is no longer confined to the campground area, correct?

 

[Lots2Learn]

Maybe there is nothing up there to find? Since we don't know the last time little Deorr was seen....where he might be is no longer confined to the campground area, correct?

Just kind of jumping in after days and days of reading.....
I think this is what has been eluded to, but....then the entire camping trip is a fraud and I can't wrap my head around all that !


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[Rayemonde]

Maybe there is nothing up there to find? Since we don't know the last time little Deorr was seen....where he might be is no longer confined to the campground area, correct?

Remember after a couple of weeks of searching, the search was officially scaled back and LE said something like they were going to move the investigation in another direction... They knew something then, imo. And the sheriff told search and rescue groups not to waste their resources searching up there.

 

[bluesneakers]

Maybe there is nothing up there to find? Since we don't know the last time little Deorr was seen....where he might be is no longer confined to the campground area, correct?

That's what I'm leaning towards. He could be anywhere but I think it's apparent (at least to me) he isn't near the campground.

Maybe the pings will help.

 

[Rayemonde]

13th July 2015:

The search has been officially suspended. The sheriff said investigators from Bonneville and Bingham counties have offered assistance in further follow-up investigations into any possible criminal histories of those involved.

http://lemhiweb.com/content/search-recap

 

[bluesneakers]

13th July 2015:

http://lemhiweb.com/content/search-recap

"follow-up investigations into any possible criminal histories of those involved" never made sense to me.