ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #21

[persimmon]

Yeah seeing as how the article in the East Idaho News looks now I think he first inadvertently used inconclusive to refer to the parents and someone pointed out that it was an error and it got edited.

The sheriff has given some direct quotes to indicate that the parents may have been deceptive in some questions. If it was just inconclusive I don't think he would say that. JMO.

Agreed. I think he's tried to be accurate and honest without divulging too much at this point in the investigation. He has not tried to generate false ideas but I think it shows his integrity to inform the public so they can make informed decisions about donating money to the parents.

 

[persimmon]

This link was posted earlier in the thread:

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/02/investigation-continues-into-deorr-kunz-disappearance/

No new information but interesting to note that LE and Klein are on the same page as far as releasing statements. The article reinforces SB s earlier statements of who the suspects are and where the investigation is focused. I think we will hear something soon and it will likely come from LE before Klein adds anything more to the discussion. Jmo

 

[Dee10]

So KI is putting the final touches on their report, I wonder what that means in terms of being hired to find Deorr?

 

[Rayemonde]

I think Trina would have made a good spokesperson. She spoke to the press a few times. Even when the parents wouldn't.

And she did that Q and A on facebook early on, which cleared up a lot of stuff. She first told us they arrived on Thursday night not Friday morning, and she explained about the EMT bag being stolen.

 

[persimmon]

So KI is putting the final touches on their report, I wonder what that means in terms of being hired to find Deorr?

It has to mean they arrived at a conclusion? Unfortunately, it must not be able to answer that question but eliminating other theories and supporting current investigative direction is putting the focus on the victim and edging closer to the truth.

 

[persimmon]

I think Trina would have made a good spokesperson. She spoke to the press a few times. Even when the parents wouldn't.

And she did that Q and A on facebook early on, which cleared up a lot of stuff. She first told us they arrived on Thursday night not Friday morning, and she explained about the EMT bag being stolen.

Her recent silence makes me very sad for the position she must be in. I agree she is a fighter and her heart has been in the right place.

 

[Rayemonde]

Do you think Klein will release his report to the public? Or just give it to Vernal's dad?

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

I think Trina would have made a good spokesperson. She spoke to the press a few times. Even when the parents wouldn't.

And she did that Q and A on facebook early on, which cleared up a lot of stuff. She first told us they arrived on Thursday night not Friday morning, and she explained about the EMT bag being stolen.

That's right. She did. I had forgotten about that. That's the first time I knew when they really arrived.

 

[persimmon]

Do you think Klein will release his report to the public? Or just give it to Vernal's dad?

I think he has to provide the dad with the findings. Im guessing that was agreed upon and he obviously has been working with LE. I think we will hear from him but I have a feeling LE will speak first and maybe his report will have some bearing on what they say.

 

[Dee10]

He has been careful not to jeopardize any prosecution so I don't think he will go into specifics, but I think he will give the public whatever he can.

I wonder if the cell phone evidence they were waiting for is complete and if he has accessed that to complete his report. Regardless, I think they will have to wait for spring even if they may now have a more specific area to search.

 

[DatelineFan]

Fear is a powerful motivator.

Fear of what, exactly? I'm not a parent, but I can't imagine anything a parent could fear more, than losing their child!

 

[Donjeta]

Everything else could be explained away but it is very hard for me to dismiss that the sheriff said they are suspects and aren't being truthful. JMO

 

[ILOKAL]

Fear of what, exactly? I'm not a parent, but I can't imagine anything a parent could fear more, than losing their child!

They already HAVE the fear of having had their child disappear and no one knows where he is. But you asked what would make them lie on the polygraph control questions. Fear of being wrongly accused for their son's disappearance might cause them to lie on a control question. It wouldn't be the first time an innocent person did so. IMO.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Everything else could be explained away but it is very hard for me to dismiss that the sheriff said they are suspects and aren't being truthful. JMO

Scooch over. I'll sit on that bench with you.

I've thought of plausible explanations for just about everything -- but THAT is something I can't get past, either.

 

[DatelineFan]

They already HAVE the fear of having had their child disappear and no one knows where he is.mmbut you asked what would make them lie on the polygraph control questions. Fear of being wrongly accused for their son's disappearance might cause them to lie on a control question. It wouldn't be the first time an innocent person did so. IMO.

But if you think they're innocent, that means they were lying on the polygraph (out of fear of being blamed) when they never harmed him. Why on earth would they do that if there was a chance of finding him? Even if it's just to give him a proper burial? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

But if you think they're innocent, that means they were lying on the polygraph (out of fear of being blamed) when they never harmed him. Why on earth would they do that if there was a chance of finding him? Even if it's just to give him a proper burial? That doesn't make sense to me.

If they did that and I agree who would do that....then they are putting themselves first and their missing baby last in priorities. Jmo

 

[giagreen]

They already HAVE the fear of having had their child disappear and no one knows where he is.mmbut you asked what would make them lie on the polygraph control questions. Fear of being wrongly accused for their son's disappearance might cause them to lie on a control question. It wouldn't be the first time an innocent person did so. IMO.

I was wondering if they were told at all that they didn't pass those two questions. And then retested. Wouldn't that effect their nervousness? Does a Ltd analyst really need to preform 9 test to determine they lied? If the test are so full proof then why did they have to preform 9 test? These test are not admissible in court for a good reason. And this does bother me. And it has nothing to do with the parents guilt. These are very valid questions that should be asked. It is important.
And SB DID say that they passed the rest of the test....so what...those were the only two hardcore questions they asked? They didn't ask something like "did you cause or do you know who/what caused your son's death" because if they did then they passed according to SB.
If that's the case then how do they in the back of their minds not know what happen to DeOrr or that he's on that mountain if he in fact did wonder off.
I guess the behavioral analyst saying there was inconsistencies bothers me a bit. But I still do not think that that necessarily means they are lying about hurting DeOrr. It could be for a number of reasons.



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[Donjeta]

JMO and I'm not a polygrapher but I think they might not ask "did you cause Deorr's death" in a polygraph exam because it has not been absolutely confirmed that he's dead. Let's say they polygraph someone who sold him to slavery. That someone could be absolutely truthful saying no, yet be guilty of causing his disappearance. And even innocent parents who believe their child is still alive might show a heightened physiological response, responding to a question that presumes their child's death.

 

[giagreen]

JMO and I'm not a polygrapher but I think they might not ask "did you cause Deorr's death" in a polygraph exam because it has not been absolutely confirmed that he's dead. Let's say they polygraph someone who sold him to slavery. That someone could be absolutely truthful saying no, yet be guilty of causing his disappearance.

I have no idea. I'm trying to figure that out. I don't think they would just ask those two questions and leave it at that. But I really would love to know what other questions they passed that SB made a point of saying they passed or didn't want people thinking that they failed the rest of the test. I don't know what exactly that means but it's got to mean something or els SB wouldn't of felt the need to say that imo. Unless he had to say that because the test results were inconclusive which would make the most sense. And in that case then the ldt means nothing to me considering all four would then be inconclusive and I do not think all four are in on this.

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[Dee10]

[h=2]Can nervousness cause a person to fail the test?[/h]
No. Nervousness is a constant. In other words, you cannot turn your nervousness off for one test question and then back on for the next test question. Your nervousness is present throughout the testing process. It is, in essence, the degree of nervous fluctuations within designated parameters that allow experts to identify truth and deception. Plus, when reviewing and numerically scoring your polygraph charts, a well trained and experienced polygraph examiner can evaluate the differ*ence between a nervous reaction and a reaction caused by a deceptive answer to one of the poly*graph test questions. This is why the education, training, and experience of the polygraph ex*aminer is critical. This is not to suggest that everyone taking the test, whether it is their intent to be truthful or otherwise, will not be nervous.

http://privatecop.com/ploygraph-lie-detector/polygraph-frequently-asked-questions.html