ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #21

[Timekeeper65]

GP Kunz told us that the baby was his nap buddy which is why (I think) we all assume that they lived and live together. Whether LE in IF searched the Kunz home before the parents returned is not certain. Actually, it has never been brought up but it is a great point to bring up. Thanks.

Unless the body is found and pre-death bone injuries such as skull fractures, knife cuts or gunshot wounds are identified, the COD will never be determined with any accuracy - it is too late for that. That ship has sailed. Even if the killer(s) tell(s) us how the baby died, we still will not know for 100% certainty - see e.g. Reuben Ebron's 'baby drowned in the bath tub story'. But, let us not dwell on the things we may never know.

Let us know this: we do not seek justice for a person, we seek justice as a means to maintain our notions of a civilized society. Nothing we do can ever undo what has been done and the dead do not need justice; society does. DeOrr has no hatred for his killers or any need for retribution. He doesn't need a hole in the ground with a headstone above to rest in peace, he is in eternal peace, joyous and his soul is in ecstasy. Besides, what better resting place than being one with nature in God's great wilderness can anyone ask for?

We may not obtain the justice we seek but we know where DeOrr's soul resides. This will sustain us all.

For now, let's all send our love and forgiveness out to the parents rather than our hate. Pray for them.

Lovingly beautiful. I do respect your opinion.

 

[ILOKAL]

I understand completely about the defendant's right to a speedy trial and I also understand that jeopardy does not attach until after a jury's seated or in the case of trial by judge, after the judge swears in the first witness. I appreciate very much all the explanations, but the point I was trying to make was why try to convince the public of some type of guilt on the parents based solely on inconclusive polygraphs that indicated "less than truthful" answers to two irrelevant or relevant questions? To me, that's simply not convincing. In almost the same breath in which Bowerman said he has no clue as to what happened to DeOrr, and it makes his statement regarding the risk of double jeopardy disingenuous since the possibility of it occurring is so far down the judicial road, IMO. Maybe a lot of people truly believe LE has more evidence, but I don't think that's the case. Just the other day a poster stated that in seven months LE has nothing. Seven months ago a little boy vanished in the wilderness and no one could find him. It's been seven months now since DeOrr vanished in the wilderness and still, no one can find him. Nothing has changed and no one has a clue what happened to him. Yet, many seem to believe the parents to be guilty of harming DeOrr without any evidence that they did. Can you even imagine what these parents must be going through?

 

[hmartin]

Lovingly beautiful. I do respect your opinion.

Yes. Very beautiful

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[haven71]

I still have something that keeps niggling me at the back of my mind.

Why were all three 911 calls fired off in relatively quick procession? This can't be coincidence.

I'm thinking after the body was (allegedly) hid and they were certain they were ready to have LE and search parties involved they spent a decent amount of time covering their tracks. Deorr's body could be not he mountain, but he could've been disposed miles up or down the highway. It makes me think he WAS at the campsite. Otherwise, why would 3 adults call 911 at almost the same time? The only reason that makes sense to me is if they called it as soon as they figured he was missing. But they searched for 20 minutes-1 hour. One person could've called earlier than that, SHOULD have called earlier than that, while the others frantically searched. It would be odd if Deorr was never at the campground and they decided to call 911 together in that small window of time. "After we finish eating the roasted chicken, let's call 911." This is one of the reasons I believe that little Deorr was at the campsite at one point.

It just doesn't set right to me.

 

[neesaki]

I am not religious in any way but this has got to be the best post (IMO) across all 21 threads and all of those to come.

<modsnip> Thank you for *trying* to remind them although I think it is all for naught for some. Vengeance (that is not theirs to impose) appears to be the driving force for some. When I read these posts, my immediate thought is, "WHAT IS LIL MAN THINKING AND HOW SAD IS HE IF HIS PARENTS ARE INNOCENT?" (which is what I believe until there is proof beyond ANY doubt that they are not and we do not have ANY proof or even ANY indication that they are guilty of anything).

How very sad my soul is that these precious parents, their beautiful son and his life/memory are defiled in this manner!!!

MOO

I might agree with you other than the last line of your post. If his parents are innocent, that will come out in time. Maybe they are "precious", maybe they are not.

But how is this beautiful child's life and memory being defiled? If this is so, it would be by those who abducted, harmed, murdered, and / or enabled it or caused it to happen in some way to happen. And as well, by those who are using deception and hiding information, if that's the case, that could bring baby Deorr home. And whoever that is, so be it.

Certainly not at all by those who seek to find him, and are seeking justice for him. jmo

 

[persimmon]

I understand completely about the defendant's right to a speedy trial and I also understand that jeopardy does not attach until after a jury's seated or in the case of trial by judge, after the judge swears in the first witness. I appreciate very much all the explanations, but the point I was trying to make was why try to convince the public of some type of guilt on the parents based solely on inconclusive polygraphs that indicated "less than truthful" answers to two irrelevant or relevant questions? To me, that's simply not convincing. In almost the same breath in which Bowerman said he has no clue as to what happened to DeOrr makes his statement regarding the risk of double jeopardy disingenuous since the possibility of it occurring is so far down the judicial road, IMO. Maybe a lot of people truly believe LE has more evidence, but I don't think that's the case. Just the other day a poster stated that in seven months LE has nothing. Seven months ago a little boy vanished in the wilderness and no one could find him. It's been seven months now since DeOrr vanished in the wilderness and still, no one can find him. Nothing has changed and no one has a clue what happened to him. Yet, many seem to believe the parents to be guilty of harming DeOrr without any evidence that they did. Can you even imagine what these parents must be going through?

Respectfully, I believe SB has more than inconclusive questions on a poly. As I answered that poster....that's not the case. Seven months ago the parents were not named as suspects.

 

[ILOKAL]

Respectfully, I believe SB has more than inconclusive questions on a poly. As I answered that poster....that's not the case. Seven months ago the parents were not named as suspects.

Naming the parents as suspects still doesn't change anything. A little boy disappeared in the wilderness and no one knows where he is....BUT, his parents have now been named "suspects" but no one knows what they are suspicious of having done.

 

[haven71]

Today my husband and I went bowling to celebrate the day.

All was fine, til a family sat beside us in the next lane. They had two little boys, and if I had to guess they were 2 and 3 years old. I couldn't help watch them...their innocence, their glee, their pride if they hit a pin, stomping around, raising their fists in victory, making sure their parents saw they hit some pins. It was adorable, but all I could think of was Deorr.

Heartbreaking, he should be alive, glistening with innocence, curiosity, pride, love, affirmation, affection and a million other things parents should provide to their children. Their cute little mannerisms and things they saw are so adorable at that age. Can't imagine someone destroying the spirit (and worse) of a child. Any child.

 

[Little Ol Me]

Naming the parents as suspects still doesn't change anything. A little boy disappeared in the wilderness and no one knows where he is....BUT, his parents have now been named "suspects" but no one knows what they are suspicious of having done.

I agree.
Perhaps SB. does as well

&#8220;We don&#8217;t want an issue of double jeopardy or filing the wrong charges,&#8221; Bowerman said. &#8220;We don&#8217;t want to charge anybody with something like a homicide and find out later the boy&#8217;s death was accidental.&#8221;
http://www.idahostatejournal.com/mem...dded604f7.html

 

[persimmon]

Naming the parents as suspects still doesn't change anything. A little boy disappeared in the wilderness and no one knows where he is....BUT, his parents have now been named "suspects" but no one knows what they are suspicious of having done.

Clearly, we disagree. I think the most important issue is we are both here because we want to advocate for victims on some level. Peace

 

[ILOKAL]

Clearly, we disagree. I think the most important issue is we are both here because we want to advocate for victims on some level. Peace

Absolutely!

 

[ILOKAL]

I might agree with you other than the last line of your post. If his parents are innocent, that will come out in time. Maybe they are "precious", maybe they are not.

But how is this beautiful child's life and memory being defiled? If this is so, it would be by those who abducted, harmed, murdered, and / or enabled it or caused it to happen in some way to happen. And as well, by those who are using deception and hiding information, if that's the case, that could bring baby Deorr home. And whoever that is, so be it.

Certainly not at all by those who seek to find him, and are seeking justice for him. jmo

"those who seek to find him, and are seeking justice for him".

Can that not be done without defiling and hurting the parents during the seeking?How does LE solve the cases they DO solve? Do they sit around a table discussing every possible scenario under the sun, no matter how bazaar? Or do they follow the evidence? Maybe THAT'S why these outrageous theories come to be . . . . because there's just no evidence to follow. IMO

 

[ILOKAL]

I still have something that keeps niggling me at the back of my mind.

Why were all three 911 calls fired off in relatively quick procession? This can't be coincidence.

I'm thinking after the body was (allegedly) hid and they were certain they were ready to have LE and search parties involved they spent a decent amount of time covering their tracks. Deorr's body could be not he mountain, but he could've been disposed miles up or down the highway. It makes me think he WAS at the campsite. Otherwise, why would 3 adults call 911 at almost the same time? The only reason that makes sense to me is if they called it as soon as they figured he was missing. But they searched for 20 minutes-1 hour. One person could've called earlier than that, SHOULD have called earlier than that, while the others frantically searched. It would be odd if Deorr was never at the campground and they decided to call 911 together in that small window of time. "After we finish eating the roasted chicken, let's call 911." This is one of the reasons I believe that little Deorr was at the campsite at one point.

It just doesn't set right to me.

It might be quite simple. The parents told GGPA to call. He couldn't get a signal on his phone. Jessica moves to another location to try to get a signal, (in the meantime GGPA gets a bar or two as he moved around a bit), and the dad drives a bit to try to get a signal (and does) and in the meantime Jessica's call goes through.

 

[Dee10]

Last I recall maybe 3 weeks ago they were still waiting for some additional cell phone evidence as well as another or other tests I believe.

 

[bluesneakers]

"those who seek to find him, and are seeking justice for him".

Can that not be done without defiling and hurting the parents during the search? How does LE solve the cases they DO solve? Do they sit around a table discussing every possible scenario under the sun, no matter how bazaar? Or do they follow the evidence? Maybe THAT'S why these outrageous theories come to be . . . . because there's just no evidence to follow. IMO

It might be possible if the parents were to offer some help themselves. JMO

 

[ILOKAL]

It might be possible if the parents were to offer some help themselves. JMO

But Bowerman SAID they have been absolutely cooperative, have come in whenever asked, and have turned over everything they've been asked to. Is that not help?

 

[giagreen]

It might be possible if the parents were to offer some help themselves. JMO

I feel like they have. I don't really understand why it's always stated as fact that they havent. I'm not sure what more would be expected from them. SB has stated a few times now they have been cooperative.

SB said they conducted their own search after being removed from the site he disappeared from. Then they did go set up fund me accounts that they were right away bashed for. Then bashed for not putting up billboards that they obviously didn't have money for. They've given interviews and that also wasn't good enough. Then they held a benifit and raised the rest of the money to pay for Klein in full.

From following along with other missing children's cases it seems as if it's up to the media on which child gets a spot light. At some point the public (people like us) need to get up and get out there and help hang up flyers rather then sit back and criticize them for not doing more.

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[Dee10]

But Bowerman SAID they have been absolutely cooperative, have come in whenever asked, and have turned over everything they've been asked to. Is that not help?

In the beginning he said they were cooperative, but apparently after the searches, interviews and investigation continued he changed his mind.
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"We re-interviewed them, but they weren’t willing to tell us the truth,” Bowerman said.
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[FONT=&amp] “They’re not able to tell the same story twice because they’ve told so many stories,” Bowerman told KTVB-TV. “We’re getting changes in the stories all the time.”

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[DatelineFan]

But Bowerman SAID they have been absolutely cooperative, have come in whenever asked, and have turned over everything they've been asked to. Is that not help?

I don't know how helpful it is to give LE different, less than truthful, stories.

 

[giagreen]

I don't know how helpful it is to give LE different, less than truthful, stories.

Allegedly.

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