ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #24

[Butler]

Seems to be par for the course for this family. They didn't like the answers (or lack thereof) that they were getting from LE/FBI at the beginning of the case, so they hired Mr. Vilt. They don't like Mr. Vilt's conclusions, so they fire him and hire another investigator to find the answers THEY want to hear. When they don't like Mr. Klein's conclusions, they not only fire him, but hire yet another party (an attorney) and threaten to SUE Klein. Do you see a pattern here? WASH. RINSE. REPEAT.

I would say it's a stretch to say they hired Allen Browning to "threaten to SUE Klein". They exercised their legal right to obtain legal counsel. IIRC Mr. Browning was DDK's attorney prior to all this, VDK retained Browning once he was named a suspect, and JM came on board once Klein started his media campaign.

In addition, I'm positive if both JM & VDK are charged Browning will advise one of the two to seek separate counsel.

 

[Hippie Heart]

Are you thinking someone used ggp's o2 generator (appears to be about the size of a binocular case to smallish lunchbox) to injure or kill DeOrr? Or that ggp transferred DNA matter to his generator? If that were the case I would think that SB might have brought GGP up to suspect level like he has the parents. But who knows.

ETA: Sorry, Original Poster was not Ready Set!


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It was me that posted 😊 I'm not sure what I think, it was just interesting to me because an oxygen tank really fits the description of "equipment" in my mind, more than say a car. I don't necessarily have a specific theory on how it could be involved, and I was not aware of the size of it, but I for sure consider that a piece of "equipment". Then again a shovel is too, just not a car in my mind I guess. JMO.

 

[jnblsm]

Are we sure ggp was on oxygen when they went camping? I was thinking he started needing it last winter. IR gave me the impression that he hadn't seen RW in awhile and had heard he'd been sick.

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[12madelyn]

I'm inclined to believe there has to be some basis for LE/PIx2/FBI to say outright the parents are big fibbers, why would they stitch up an entirely innocent, bereft, grieving couple if they had no grounds to do so? But something has to give, this situation of "he said she said" is ridiculous. I just don't know what to think any more!

Actually, I'm surprised one hasn't turned against the other and that they're still together. The pressure on them must be stifling, with PI/LE/FBI constantly on their backs probably 24/7. Especially since they're not married.

 

[ninij9]

Are we sure ggp was on oxygen when they went camping? I was thinking he started needing it last winter. IR gave me the impression that he hadn't seen RW in awhile and had heard he'd been sick.

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I saw pix of him that predate DeOrrs disappearance and he's camping with supplemental oxygen.

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[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Actually, I'm surprised one hasn't turned against the other and that they're still together. The pressure on them must be stifling, with PI/LE/FBI constantly on their backs probably 24/7. Especially since they're not married.

I don't think the above are on their backs 24/7. I'm pretty sure the majority of the interviewing is done by now. LE and FBI would be concentrating on evidence collected so far and putting their thoughts together about how to handle all of this with or without a body. Klein certainly isn't going to be approaching them any more. IMO, SM is the thing that's on their backs and they can't shake it and will never be able to. If the day comes that they are found innocent, they will forever be cast in the same light that Casey, OJ and the Ramseys are to some. I don't think they will turn against each other.

 

[La Louve]

This is just a bunch of speculation and MOO and putting some thoughts on electronic paper.

I've never heard any information about a life insurance policy on Deorr. Could there be one? Maybe offered through an employer. I think employer offered life insurance for spouses and dependents aren't that great, but I'll never completely rule out stupidity when it comes to life insurance policies. $10k may sound like a lot to someone hard up for cash, but in reality, you could blow through that in a few weeks pretty easily or you could just put a down payment on a new truck.

RSBM

If the purpose of little DeOrr being disappeared was to collect on his life insurance policy, I don't think the sperm/egg donors would have been promoting the abduction theory. They definitely seemed to be pushing the idea that he was still alive somewhere. Of course, that's what you might expect parents of a missing child to hope for.

But when parents (allegedly) can't answer a polygraph control question like "are you going to tell the truth today?" it makes me go hmmmmmmmm........

 

[12madelyn]

:thinking: It wasn't me that brought up the oxygen Kammie, it was another poster?

Does anyone feel there's a possibility little Deorr was placed in a vehicle and forgotten about and died from hyperthermia? He may have been placed in there for a nap or for punishment for misbehaving. I thought I had read that the parents used drugs. I may be completely wrong! But drugs do cause people to lose spatial and time bearings. Just, to me, a valid thought.

 

[jessie]

I've been wondering why we are working along with an 8 a.m. - 2.30 pm on Friday timeline ?
Has it been confirmed that little DeOrr was seen shortly before 8 a.m. by the other two at the campground ?

I don't think we have been informed (by "we" I mean the public not just WS!!) when the last positive sighting was of DeOrr?

Going back, the "filthy, bawling child in a black truck" mention could this have been that DeOrr was left alone while all the others stopped at the Silver Dollar on Thursday on their way to the campground? Perhaps they parked up at the Stage Shop, left the car and DeOrr and walked to the Silver Dollar. Popped over sometime to check on him, bought him a candy bar to keep him quiet, left him where he was and went back to the others at the Silver Dollar?
Could something have happened to him then?
It would be wrong of me to suggest further scenarios - but could this have happened? Does this come within the realms of possibility, or am I far, far off track?

eta - Hope this makes some vague sense, I'm just asking here, it's only yet another thought of the many I have for this poor child that's all, be glad of your thoughts.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

If the parents are not arrested, where do they see themselves in a year? Two years? 5 years? The MSM coverage is going to slow down and eventually stop. The updates will get less and less frequent. How long would social media drama carry on for with nothing new to talk about? What happens when employers google them and see all the stories about their missing son....about a PI accusing them of murder? I think I read that Jessica lost her job?

 

[4senthia]

This is such a frustrating case.
Was it Klein or LE that was asking for any witness to come forward with information concerning previous verbal/physical abuse of little DeOrr by his parents?
Makes me think that some of the new witnesses had some such info to give. And that makes me furious.
jmo

 

[scmom]

https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/Klein Investigations and Consulting
1 min ·

Good Morning! As of 7:00 PM central time yesterday evening, our firm, KIC Texas, has been retained to move forward in Phase 4 of our investigation in the disappearance of missing child, DeOrr Kunz Jr.

There will be no further comment made to media or the public regarding the investigation into little DeOrr.

We WILL address the public and media regarding the search when the time approaches.

We want to reiterate our appreciation to the public. We are dedicated to finding DeOrr and we will not give up.

 

[Jamaica Me Crazy]

Does anyone remember how long it took before poor little Caylee's story went from local to national? A national media outlet has contacted Klein so I'm just wondering how long it will be until this story super explodes on a high level. To my knowledge Nancy Grace only briefly touched on this right after DeOrr "disappeared." Yeah, a lot of people hate her but it seems once she hits on a story it goes "a-haulin'."

 

[jessie]

This is such a frustrating case.
Was it Klein or LE that was asking for any witness to come forward with information concerning previous verbal/physical abuse of little DeOrr by his parents?
Makes me think that some of the new witnesses had some such info to give. And that makes me furious.
jmo

I believe it was SB who asked this in an interview. Others here can probably give links.

 

[La Louve]

Does anyone feel there's a possibility little Deorr was placed in a vehicle and forgotten about and died from hyperthermia? He may have been placed in there for a nap or for punishment for misbehaving. I thought I had read that the parents used drugs. I may be completely wrong! But drugs do cause people to lose spatial and time bearings. Just, to me, a valid thought.

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A hot car death has been suggested more than once on DeOrr's threads. But if that death occurred at the campsite, the dogs would certainly have hit on the smell. Heck I'll even venture that LEOs would have noticed the smell. Even if he died in one vehicle prior to the "camping trip" and was transported to the campground in a different vehicle, it seems at least possible that cadaver dogs might have picked up on the smell. Those same dog(s) btw, that picked up the scent of cremains at the reservoir.

WARNING the thread I'm linking to contains GRAPHIC reading but has a lot of good info about the science and statistics of hot car deaths: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Science-amp-Statistics-Behind-Hot-Car-Deaths

 

[TxJan1971]

This is such a frustrating case.
Was it Klein or LE that was asking for any witness to come forward with information concerning previous verbal/physical abuse of little DeOrr by his parents?
Makes me think that some of the new witnesses had some such info to give. And that makes me furious.
jmo

I believe it was SB who asked this in an interview. Others here can probably give links.

Here's one where Tricia asks SB a question specific to any hx of child abuse and SB provides his response.

1/28/16 Interview

05:31
TG: You have asked for people who may have witnessed interactions between the parents and Deorr to come forward. Is there any indication that Deorr was neglected or abused prior to this camping trip?

05:42
SB: You know, that’s a part of investigation I’m…I’m not willing to talk about at this point. I know that we’re getting tips every day, people that think there’s something that’s usually small but they think it’s important for our office to know, and we’re following up on those leads as fast as we can, but they’re coming in quite frequently, so uh, you know I’d rather not comment on any…anything of that nature.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Does anyone feel there's a possibility little Deorr was placed in a vehicle and forgotten about and died from hyperthermia? He may have been placed in there for a nap or for punishment for misbehaving. I thought I had read that the parents used drugs. I may be completely wrong! But drugs do cause people to lose spatial and time bearings. Just, to me, a valid thought.

bbm

"Placed in a vehicle" dead and parked in a large busy parking lot since. - That was my thought when I read about a case in which a dead body had been found only after 3 months at such a place. <modsnip>

 

[Mickshawn]

Have we ever found out the last verified person to see DeOrr (other than the 4 adult campers) alive and well? When and where?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

There's multiple LE agencies working this case, including the FBI! What help would a PI be?? I don't understand.

Some people think the parents are innocent but LE is blaming them in order to cover up their incompetence in the investigation. The person who put up the first chunk of money believes VDK and JM are being framed to take the blame, which is why there is so much drama surrounding the PI now that he has released his results.

Vilt was a volunteer so they couldn't fire him, but they stopped working with him when he drew the same conclusions and demanded answers.

I think the people who hired Klein expected him to find info favorable to VDK and JM, because they themselves believe so strongly in their innocence. The bottom line is that they're unwilling to accept the evidence that's being presented over and over that indicates parental involvement.

But to answer your question, the PI services were purchased with the intent of clearing the parents since the big meanie law enforcement officers won't consider any other scenarios such as abduction or animal attack.

Klein made it clear from the start that he was seeking truth - it's just turned bad because the truth he found isn't the truth the family and supporters want.

 

[Dee10]

<modsnip>

A hot car death has been suggested more than once on DeOrr's threads. But if that death occurred at the campsite, the dogs would certainly have hit on the smell. Heck I'll even venture that LEOs would have noticed the smell. Even if he died in one vehicle prior to the "camping trip" and was transported to the campground in a different vehicle, it seems at least possible that cadaver dogs might have picked up on the smell. Those same dog(s) btw, that picked up the scent of cremains at the reservoir.

WARNING the thread I'm linking to contains GRAPHIC reading but has a lot of good info about the science and statistics of hot car deaths: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Science-amp-Statistics-Behind-Hot-Car-Deaths

Thank you for the hot car links, I will have read through more but one quote from a 2012 article said it can take only 15 min. to kill a child if the temp. outside is 75 degrees. Hypothetically, it takes time for a dog to detect decomposition even though the process starts upon death. It also takes time for transfer to happen for example from clothing to car seat. I'm sure heat plays a factor as well. If a child was removed within an hour or two hours of death, I'm not sure the dogs would hit on a car seat. I'm not saying this is what happened though, but I believe it is possible. I'm really at a loss on all the theories.