ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #27

[scmom]

Well, if I'm remembering correctly, the sheriff has stated that IR has been "most consistent". Consistent is not the same as truthful. Not that I really suspect IR of having done anything to DeOrr.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't think I've ever been on a camping/hunting/fishing trip where someone didn't bring booze. The adults were all 21 and as far as we know none of them got behind the wheel after drinking. Unless alcohol plays a role in DeOrr's disappearance I don't think it's a big deal. A person having health issues doesn't automatically mean he or she can't drink alcohol. I think IR let something slip he wasn't supposed to but it doesn't make a difference other than in their own lives where people might ask "I thought you didn't drink?"

JMO

 

[Deleted member 278]

Isn't anyone seeing this?! https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/videos/1049059998509917/

 

[ZooSleuth]

We need to compare this interview with the one IR did with Nate awhile back, we've never heard this new story of just Jessica being with him.

Gee, after listening to SB, he definitely has his doubts on IR' credibility.

IIRC he "no commented" when asked what happened up at the campsite. The only thing he did say was that he definitely saw Deorr up there. We have never really heard IR's version of events, so to my knowledge this doesn't really contradict anything he said in the past. I do find it very interesting that it does contradict that Deorr Sr. was up there at the fishing spot with IR and JM, which is the exact moment when he supposedly went missing. Not a coincidence IMO.

 

[neesaki]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/isaac-reinwand-nothing-hide-deorrs-disappearance/

IR stated in the 1st part of the series of 3, above, that "Bob brought some whiskey and stuff up." The reporter asked, "Did Bob drink any of the whiskey?" Isaac answered, " I think he might have had a coup......Uh, actually, Bob doesn't drink anymore, so, no." I find that unusual. I understand I cannot likely state anything else about that, but I am filing it under "curious". If either IR or Bob had alcohol on Thursday evening, and we have been told by SB that both IR and Bob have health issues, then at the very least anything either stated may have been clouded by health issues, alcohol or both. No judgement at all, and, I have no idea if anyone of the four drank alcohol that night. I am just noting this may be worth remembering. Additionally, it almost sounded as if IR may have realized he spilled the beans about Bob bringing alcohol. If so, and it is pure speculation, I wonder, as SB and Klein wonder, how truthful he is being about that and other things.

That's what I thought too, a Freudian slip. JMO

 

[relay]

Well, if I'm remembering correctly, the sheriff has stated that IR has been "most consistent". Consistent is not the same as truthful. Not that I really suspect IR of having done anything to DeOrr.

That's what I'm thinking. IR may be the most consistent but not necessarily forthcoming as SB's words alluded to tonight on Tricia's blog radio. I think IR knows more than he is saying and may be covering for Bob on at least the alcohol question. I haven't ruled him out fully as I don't have enough facts. But, I wouldn't doubt it if he has been covering for Bob at the very least. I think it is very interesting that we have never heard from Bob. I understand he is disabled, Yet, he had the ability to drive a truck with a camper on the back to a distant campground, camp out, and socialize. Yet, not a word from him on behalf of Deorr? Curious. Very curious. The parents raise my hinky meter even higher.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

Isn't anyone seeing this?! https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/videos/1049059998509917/

Is the sound and picture out of sync for anyone else but me? It is confusing.

 

[relay]

I don't think I've ever been on a camping/hunting/fishing trip where someone didn't bring booze. The adults were all 21 and as far as we know none of them got behind the wheel after drinking. Unless alcohol plays a role in DeOrr's disappearance I don't think it's a big deal. A person having health issues doesn't automatically mean he or she can't drink alcohol. I think IR let something slip he wasn't supposed to but it doesn't make a difference other than in their own lives where people might ask "I thought you didn't drink?"

JMO

True. But, a person who stopped drinking does not generally bring hard liquor. That's my main point.

 

[MsMarple]

Just what we need, more discrepancies regarding the timeline. :banghead:

Left for the store to get more food at 10:30/11 am

Isaac said they went to try & get fuel around noon as they were low.

Why would they need more fuel as they already got some on the way up? I wonder if there were two trips out from the campground instead of one?



Edited to change pm to am

The fuel thing is really confusing. In the August 2015 interview:

Early in the investigation, there were conflicting reports about when the family arrived at the Timber Creek Campground in Leadore. Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10, but Bowerman said the group actually arrived late on Thursday, July 9. The next morning, DeOrr’s parents said they took their son to a store about 20 minutes from the campsite.

“I don’t believe the store has a surveillance (system), but we have a receipt that shows they purchased certain items,” Bowerman said. “The time was stamped on the receipt, so we believe that’s where they went.”

When asked if the family was anywhere else during the trip, Bowerman said they stopped for diesel fuel traveling from Idaho Falls to Leadore, but the gas station doesn’t have surveillance video either.

After the Friday morning shopping trip, the family returned to camp, and DeOrr’s parents said they left the child with Walton while they went exploring.

“Isaac (Walton’s friend) was in the same general proximity,” Bowerman said. “He’s downstream, they’re upstream and they’re all within probably 100 to 150 feet of each other.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

In the new interview IR says (starting around 3:30) the the parents were low on fuel so they and little DeOrr went into town. Unfortunately the interviewer interrupts him and tries to answer for him before he could finish his thought. I wonder what he would have said if that hadn't happened. IR did say that the gas station was closed when they were driving to the campground (on Thursday night).

The last time IR states seeing Deorr is when they left to get gas. He says he "assumes" he was behind him and Jessica with his Dad (Vernal) when he walks down to the fishing hole), but did not see them. Is that right?

He says "That is correct" when asked if baby DeOrr was still with the parents after the store run (4:20). He doesn't say anything about the parents leaving DeOrr with GGP. But yes, he says he assumed VK and DeOrr was behind them when they were walking to the fishing hole, so he didn't see either of them.

Another change is that IR says in the new interview that he was upstream. SB said he was downstream and both parents were upstream in the 2015 interview.

It's hard to gauge just how much IR can accurately recall after a year has passed so I'm not going to put too much importance on the discrepancies for now. I'm much more curious about discrepancies in DK's and JM's stories. Still, it's interesting to compare everyone's statements over time.

P.S. SB said tonight that GGP and IR both have "significant" mental health issues, so maybe any interviews with either of them are moot.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2016/07/12/what-happened-to-deorr-kunz

 

[seventeenseconds]

Is the sound and picture out of sync for anyone else but me? It is confusing.

Wow there is a second and third video


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[seventeenseconds]

Is the sound and picture out of sync for anyone else but me? It is confusing.

Meant to link. Sorry


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[Deleted member 718]

Isn't anyone seeing this?! https://www.facebook.com/KleinInvestigations/videos/1049059998509917/

Help me here rocket. What's being said? Thanks.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Help me here rocket. What's being said? Thanks.

Read the comments, they explain it pretty good IMO.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

The fuel thing is really confusing. In the August 2015 interview:

Early in the investigation, there were conflicting reports about when the family arrived at the Timber Creek Campground in Leadore. Authorities had said the group arrived Friday, July 10, but Bowerman said the group actually arrived late on Thursday, July 9. The next morning, DeOrr’s parents said they took their son to a store about 20 minutes from the campsite.

“I don’t believe the store has a surveillance (system), but we have a receipt that shows they purchased certain items,” Bowerman said. “The time was stamped on the receipt, so we believe that’s where they went.”

When asked if the family was anywhere else during the trip, Bowerman said they stopped for diesel fuel traveling from Idaho Falls to Leadore, but the gas station doesn’t have surveillance video either.

After the Friday morning shopping trip, the family returned to camp, and DeOrr’s parents said they left the child with Walton while they went exploring.

“Isaac (Walton’s friend) was in the same general proximity,” Bowerman said. “He’s downstream, they’re upstream and they’re all within probably 100 to 150 feet of each other.”

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/

In the new interview IR says (starting around 3:30) the the parents were low on fuel so they and little DeOrr went into town. Unfortunately the interviewer interrupts him and tries to answer for him before he could finish his thought. I wonder what he would have said if that hadn't happened. IR did say that the gas station was closed when they were driving to the campground (on Thursday night).



He says "That is correct" when asked if baby DeOrr was still with the parents after the store run (4:20). He doesn't say anything about the parents leaving DeOrr with GGP. But yes, he says he assumed VK and DeOrr was behind them when they were walking to the fishing hole, so he didn't see either of them.

Another change is that IR says in the new interview that he was upstream. SB said he was downstream and both parents were upstream in the 2015 interview.

It's hard to gauge just how much IR can accurately recall after a year has passed so I'm not going to put too much importance on the discrepancies for now. I'm much more curious about discrepancies in DK's and JM's stories. Still, it's interesting to compare everyone's statements over time.

P.S. SB said tonight that GGP and IR both have "significant" mental health issues, so maybe any interviews with either of them are moot.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2016/07/12/what-happened-to-deorr-kunz

Just recently, I watched an interview (video) with Trina Bates Clegg and she stated that while her father had COPD and another physical ailment, his mind was just fine. I will attempt to find that video, but I am pretty sure I watched it linked from WS in one thread or another.

 

[carbuff]

Just recently, I watched an interview (video) with Trina Bates Clegg and she stated that while her father had COPD and another physical ailment, his mind was just fine. I will attempt to find that video, but I am pretty sure I watched it linked from WS in one thread or another.

I saw that too, and I dunno. I think there might be some serious denial going on there, just the way she says it.


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[bluesneakers]

I saw that too, and I dunno. I think there might be some serious denial going on there, just the way she says it.


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The denial might be about her daughter. In order to keep that one going she puts the blame on her father. Just a thought.

 

[MsMarple]

Just recently, I watched an interview (video) with Trina Bates Clegg and she stated that while her father had COPD and another physical ailment, his mind was just fine. I will attempt to find that video, but I am pretty sure I watched it linked from WS in one thread or another.

This one?

http://m.localnews8.com/news/extend...dma-of-missing-toddler-deorr-kunz-jr/39482978

Clegg talks about the mental health of her dad at about 9:05. She's adamant that his mind isn't impaired. Quite different from what SB said tonight. And then there's that FB video tonight. Who knows what to think?:waitasec:

 

[seventeenseconds]

Does anyone think that everyone is covering for Gpop Bob


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[Elle*Bee]

Will there be a transcript of tonight's interview with Sheriff Bowerman?

 

[ZooSleuth]

Does anyone think that everyone is covering for Gpop Bob


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I dismissed the idea previously, but after today I am leaning more and more towards this being a possibility. I feel like he's the only one out of the four that would have all the others (plus Trina) cover/lie for them.

Something that stood out to me in the parent's last interview they did together was when Vernal said, "I don't know what happened to my son, I left him with a trusted and respected adult, and that's the last time I saw him." That seemed like a really odd way to refer to the GGP. IMO he added unnecessary qualifiers and at the same time was distancing himself from the GGP by not saying his name or his relation to the family.

Maybe Vernal helped cover up an accident involving GGP and that has put him in a tough position because he'll end up in trouble too (tampering, obstruction, etc.) if he reveals the truth at this point? That seems logical to me today, but I'll probably think something else tomorrow. Whoever said this case is a circus hit the nail on the head.