ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #27

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  • #221
I think this is the only thing Vernal, Jessica & Isaac agree on:

Bob - Camper
Issac - Tent
Vernal/Jessica/DeOrr on back of the suburban

Did the suburban or whatever it was have a camper shell? Sorry, a suburban wouldnt be a truck, so no on the campershell. And blazer not a truck so no shell. Answered my own question I suppose sorry.
 
  • #222
Minnows.

(recalling long discussions about the minnows....but I do think the story has changed about the minnows)

Yea I recall them having a bucket of minnows that they wanted to show to DeOrr right? Or have I lost my mind? LOL
 
  • #223
Did the suburban or whatever it was have a camper shell?

IDK, I assumed not, but now I'm confused with the vehicles. Nothing in this case is straight forward lol.
 
  • #224
Yea I recall them having a bucket of minnows that they wanted to show to DeOrr right? Or have I lost my mind? LOL

No, the minnows were in the creek.
 
  • #225
Respectfully your not a family member are you by any chance?
Both these parents are as guilty as one and other they both know what happened to there son and where he is, we now know from SB they failed both questions regarding there sons whereabouts in 4 separate polygraph tests.
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No, I am not a family member. If I were a family member I would have been all over this forum and you would have seen prior posts by me. I forgot about all the failed poly's. That means something to me but to be honest, not a lot. There are reasons why poly's cant be used as evidence. I consider them useful, but yet, a little subjective. But since there were like 9 failed poly's that does speak a little louder than normal. I am just attempting to look at odds, unemotionally, as a latecomer. As I think about it now, I think if I were a parent going to take a stroll to creek in search of guppies/tadpoles, many parents would have taken their son with them on their stroll. I think I would have. I have no idea how vigilant GFF normally is. Or even if GFF has normal watch duty time with Deorr. Would JM say something like "Hey Grandpa, Deorr can easy wander so please keep a close watch on him". I believe odds are better that GFF and IW became distracted or non-vigilant rather than a neighbor camper abducting. I do see how it could be easy for JM/VDK to make it appear Deorr was along on the trip
 
  • #226
I will say, wow, this case has me torn which way to even think. I am late coming in to this case so respectfully understand I am trying to look at the facts as a latecomer . I know as a WS member follow many cases how we all become emotionally involved and want to find the perp and have them convicted. I have also seen cases on WS where we literally feel 100% of someone's guilt to later find out of their innocence. I say all this prior to asking my question. Please don't shoot the messenger. I have no clue who the perp is. My question is...what are the odds that maybe Deorr was actually abducted or maybe, in fact, did wander off? I understand odds of wandering or wild animal snatching would probably leave the too big of boots found. Animal grabbing would potentially leave blood evidence. I do believe if there was a pedophile or abductor in the vicinity maybe watching the 4 adults/1 small child and watched the parents stroll to the creek then see a very old GGF and his friend maybe not keep a close eye on Deorr there could be easy abduction. But no doubt LE has researched other campers alibi's, etc. I am not saying I believe what has happened, just speculating. I have heard speculation Jess maybe grew tired of being a mother and wanted the motherless lifestyle again. Another angle I can appreciate. To be honest, I really don't see where Jess remarrying or Vernal moving looks bad. I can see where a strained relationship went from bad degraded to worse. Vernal needed money/job and I think he had a broken heart. I doesnt appear to me that Jess remarrying plays any part in Deorr disappearance. I dont think marriage and testimony plays a part. Maybe it does play a part in Jess wanting to be motherless w no parenting obligations and sought a man for motherless relationship. But in watching all the interviews and quite a bit of reading on my part recently I really dont think Vernal knows anything. The one thing that SCREAMS OUT TO ME is what you as a group have brought to the forum...why didnt LE find any dirty diapers. I am not LE and know what they know when they knew it. Maybe LE didnt think about the diaper issue for a couple of days and all campground trash has been discarded, etc. but if they thought of diaper issue day of disappearance and couldnt find a diaper would lend to the potential that Deorr was never at the campground. Also, I have no idea who or how many were neighbor campers camping at that time but no doubt, Deorr would have been a loud little boy running around. He was so cute. I have to feel if there were female campers someone would have reported to LE something along the lines of "Yes, he was just running around happy/loudly in his boots that appeared to be too big making it hard to walk" "But he was just so, so cute. Yes he was here" Since we havent heard of any neighboring campers comments from LE and with LE now saying they think it's a homicide, maybe Deorr actually never arrived at campground. Maybe the parents did play GFF and his buddy as an alibi.
I have spent this time typing all this because it sort of appears Vernal loved his son tremendously and couldnt play a part in his disappearance. I believe if he knew hos wife had done something bad he would come forward late in the game.
Again, I humbly type all this with nowhere near the knowledge many of you have so please dont yell at me as you can prove some of my speculation as incorrect :) I sure wish I knew what LE knows. It would be so sad if their son did in fact wander off and we assume them guilty because the body hasnt been found. I trust LE to find the facts. Maybe they wont find the body but I think they know the facts

From what I have read, there really were no other campers around to have seen DeOrr except some old couple up closer to the reservoir who were spreading ashes IIRC. So no witnesses there. The diapers, I have no clue about. Was he potty trained? Did he wear diapers only to sleep in? Did they put diapers in a bag and haul off? I don't know on that one.

I am still on the fence as to what happened and wonder why for so long the Sheriff seemed to be not suspicious of the parents and then after FBI got there they changed their tune, either way I will wait and see as I am not positive on anything right now. I do think both parents loved their son, but did they cover something up? IDK. When I keep seeing discrepancies in their stories it really makes you wonder.
 
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No, I am not a family member. If I were a family member I would have been all over this forum and you would have seen prior posts by me. I forgot about all the failed poly's. That means something to me but to be honest, not a lot. There are reasons why poly's cant be used as evidence. I consider them useful, but yet, a little subjective. But since there were like 9 failed poly's that does speak a little louder than normal. I am just attempting to look at odds, unemotionally, as a latecomer. As I think about it now, I think if I were a parent going to take a stroll to creek in search of guppies/tadpoles, many parents would have taken their son with them on their stroll. I think I would have. I have no idea how vigilant GFF normally is. Or even if GFF has normal watch duty time with Deorr. Would JM say something like "Hey Grandpa, Deorr can easy wander so please keep a close watch on him". I believe odds are better that GFF and IW became distracted or non-vigilant rather than a neighbor camper abducting. I do see how it could be easy for JM/VDK to make it appear Deorr was along on the trip

Minnows! Not guppies or tadpoles.

I'm seriously having flashbacks from the minnow discussion.

:)
 
  • #229
From what I have read, there really were no other campers around to have seen DeOrr except some old couple up closer to the reservoir who were spreading ashes IIRC. So no witnesses there. The diapers, I have no clue about. Was he potty trained? Did he wear diapers only to sleep in? Did they put diapers in a bag and haul off? I don't know on that one.
I am still on the fence as to what happened and wonder why for so long the Sheriff seemed to be not suspicious of the parents and then after FBI got there they changed their tune, either way I will wait and see as I am not positive on anything right now. I do think both parents loved their son, but did they cover something up? IDK. When I keep seeing discrepancies in their stories it really makes you wonder.
Facts I didnt know: There really were no neighbor campers (greatly diminishes possible abduction) and went with guppies/tadpoles when if I knew the facts I would have reported "minnows". Thanks for the facts :)
BTW, I find most normal loving great grandfathers would have quickly/loudly proclaim all facts truthfully/quickly. I do remember where LE said GPP was totally innocent but think I read where he was being a little evasive. What are the facts here regarding GPP, is there any appearance he trying to cover for someone?
 
  • #230
Facts I didnt know: There really were no neighbor campers (greatly diminishes possible abduction) and went with guppies/tadpoles when if I knew the facts I would have reported "minnows". Thanks for the facts :)
BTW, I find most normal loving great grandfathers would have quickly/loudly proclaim all facts truthfully/quickly. I do remember where LE said GPP was totally innocent but think I read where he was being a little evasive. What are the facts here regarding GPP, is there any appearance he trying to cover for someone?

Don't know I also thought at one time GGP was totally innocent via LE, and had medical issues etc. But don't know exactly what their stance is now and if he has any diminished mental capacity etc. Either way I do not think he was healthy enough to do something to a child and cover it up all on his own. I personally do not think he did anything to the little baby, nor do I think he knows anything about what happened. JMO He may not pick the best things to say, but I know others who are not old men who often insert foot into mouth without bad intention or being guilty of anything. In my opinion if there is anyone who knows anything about baby DeOrr and what happened to him it would be the parents. I'm not saying they are guilty of anything but if there is anything to know, they know it.
 
  • #231
I've been chatting with a friend who is training for SAR and helped search for Geraldine Largay for TWO years on the Appalachian Trail in Maine. They knew her location to a few square miles. Aircraft, dogs and hundreds of searchers and it took two years for someone to randomly stumble on her remains. They got within a few hundred yards of her location and still never saw her.
 
  • #232
IDK, I assumed not, but now I'm confused with the vehicles. Nothing in this case is straight forward lol.

Is it possible that Isaac meant Suburban when he said Blazer? I'm not aware that a Blazer was at the campground? Supposedly, the two vehicles were Bob's Suburban (with the camper) and Vernal's truck.
 
  • #233
Klein posted another video on his FB...
 
  • #234
I'll be running right behind you, plugging my ears in case anyone mentions "cremains."

But one old topic brought up today does stand out as particularly strange: no diapers. I seem to recall the grandma arrived on the scene and disposed of diapers. I could be mis-remembering that. Anyone remember that details as vividly as I remember the minnows?

I remember Trina saying she found one dirty diaper and asked the Sheriff if it was ok to throw it away. From memory it was thrown in a bin at the church hall where they set up a command post. There were a few pages debating why only one diaper, with once conclusion being that if DeOrr was potty trained there might only have been a night time diaper.

No links, all in my head
 
  • #235
I'll be running right behind you, plugging my ears in case anyone mentions "cremains."

But one old topic brought up today does stand out as particularly strange: no diapers. I seem to recall the grandma arrived on the scene and disposed of diapers. I could be mis-remembering that. Anyone remember that details as vividly as I remember the minnows?

Oh, you WOULD bring the cremains up. Like, how many cases in all of criminal history has someone been dumping cremains at the site of a "crime scene", or whatever the 'ell they call it?

Give me some stats on that, please. There are too many coincidinks(sp) for me to swallow. I don't trust any of them people, except maybe IR, whom I believe was supposed to take the fall. IMO

:cow:
 
  • #236
I've been chatting with a friend who is training for SAR and helped search for Geraldine Largay for TWO years on the Appalachian Trail in Maine. They knew her location to a few square miles. Aircraft, dogs and hundreds of searchers and it took two years for someone to randomly stumble on her remains. They got within a few hundred yards of her location and still never saw her.

Well, in my opinion and I'm sure a few others, that proves how very ineffecient and ineffectual SAR really is. For the short time I've been watching SAR, I've seen mistake after mistake, not found after not found. I wonder if there's much reason for them to keep going -BUT for the ONE or TWO they DO find, yes, it is worthwhile.

My opinion only
 
  • #237
Klein is subjecting them to water torture....drip, drip, drip.
 
  • #238
Klein posted another video on his FB...

Not much difference between 28 minutes ( what an odd number to throw out there) and an hour, right?
WINK WINK.

Another thing that struck me... In Issac's recent interview, he implied that he first learned DeOrr was missing when he looked up the bank to see GGP "pacing" back and forth. He asked what was wrong, because GGP looked upset, and was told of the child being missing. My question: wouldn't he have heard three adults hollering loudly in a panic, before being clued in only when he saw the pacing, worried-looking GGP? Granted, I'm not sure I have an accurate grasp on the lay of the land, but I've got to think that the sound of loud, panicked yelling would have carried.

Back to Klein's new post... His statements about the fuel fill-ups and receipts is interesting and goes to show how little the public actually knows about what all they have. I believe this trickling out of info is designed to make someone realize that they can run, but not hide, from the truth forever...whatever the truth may be. Let's hope someone breaks soon.
 
  • #239
According to Chelsea's piece, didn't V and J go to two different places in Leadore to get diesel? Two places in addition to the Stage Stop?
 
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