ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #31

[UrsulaWrenn]

Video from Jan. 2019. On camera with a chance to talk about his missing son! Not a word!

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Do you think choosing to let go and move on is evidence of wrong doing?

 

[sassyblue]

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Do you think choosing to let go and move on is evidence of wrong doing?

Yes. They let go really early.....

 

[CoverMeCagney]

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Do you think choosing to let go and move on is evidence of wrong doing?

Not necessarily in the case of a death - people deal with it differently and “moving on” could just be a case of being pragmatic or putting a brave face on.

But a genuinely missing child must haunt your every moment with anguish, fear, pain and sadness at every waking moment. More anguish than would allow you to go on a merry little shopping trip, for example.

Of all the genuine missing child cases I’ve followed on here, I’ve never seen parents act the way these two did.

Their actions, combined with the insistence by police and PIs that they’re liars, is what has made most people question their innocence.

 

[katydid23]

I realize it's not very likely, but I think the chance is above zero. I'm not sure how much work LE did to really rule it out altogether.

The sheriff looked into it at the start. There were very few campers there. No one was around the family's site. And there was another extended family at the upper cAmpground. The sheriff interviewed them and looked into them. They were cooperative and it didn't seem probable that another family would grab a toddler, and none of them would say anything. JMO

 

[ReadySet]

In this case I think it's evidence Vernal knows where little Deorr is and can move on.

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Do you think choosing to let go and move on is evidence of wrong doing?

 

[neesaki]

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Do you think choosing to let go and move on is evidence of wrong doing?

In all of the numerous cases I’ve followed of missing children, the parents never stop searching for them, even years and years later. Because there’s always that hope someone has them and they’re alive. They only stop searching if they know the child is deceased, or if they trafficked their child. The former is more often the case.

 

[ReadySet]

In all of the numerous cases I’ve followed of missing children, the parents never stop searching for them, even years and years later. Because there’s always that hope someone has them and they’re alive. They only stop searching if they know the child is deceased, or if they trafficked their child. The former is more often the case.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[ReadySet]

Interesting .

The cold case is heating up again.

The sheriff's office is confirming that a recent search may shed new light on the tragedy.
We talked to Sheriff Steve Penner about the case, and he says the case is not closed, in fact, far from it.

Just last month the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office had cadaver dogs at the campground, and again they had a hard hit on a previously searched area by the creek.

Sheriff Penner says they are just waiting for the water levels to drop, and then they will go in and do an extensive search on their hands and knees if necessary to comb through everything to try and find even the smallest of clues.

He says they won't give up.

DeOrr Kunz Jr. Timeline - Local News 8

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

In all of the numerous cases I’ve followed of missing children, the parents never stop searching for them, even years and years later. Because there’s always that hope someone has them and they’re alive. They only stop searching if they know the child is deceased, or if they trafficked their child. The former is more often the case.

I do see your point.
I lost a dog about 15 years ago; she got scared and ran off because people were throwing rocks. I never saw her again. But every day I walk the dogs to the place I last saw her and can't help looking -even though I'm sure she's probably dead by now.
If my child were missing, I'd probably never stop looking and being as proactive as possible to find out where they were.

But...that's ME. I've learned over the many years that other people often just don't act in the ways I expect them to, and it's not always for nefarious reasons.

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

Interesting .

The cold case is heating up again.


He says they won't give up.

DeOrr Kunz Jr. Timeline - Local News 8

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That is great news! I really hope the baby is found soon. Having the facts cleared up and the questions answered would be nice, but mostly I just want the little guy to be found.

 

[155etta]

Interesting .

The cold case is heating up again.

The sheriff's office is confirming that a recent search may shed new light on the tragedy.
We talked to Sheriff Steve Penner about the case, and he says the case is not closed, in fact, far from it.

Just last month the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office had cadaver dogs at the campground, and again they had a hard hit on a previously searched area by the creek.

Sheriff Penner says they are just waiting for the water levels to drop, and then they will go in and do an extensive search on their hands and knees if necessary to comb through everything to try and find even the smallest of clues.

He says they won't give up.

DeOrr Kunz Jr. Timeline - Local News 8

I wonder if this is the same place Marshburn's dogs hit.

 

[Arnie M]

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To suggest they should still be searching for Deorr is absurd . The campground is way off the beaten path , the area has already been completely searched many times

If the parents have been "less than truthful" it could very well be that they were consuming alcohol or drugs when the kid went missing and are trying to cover up for poor parenting. It does not make them killers. It simply makes them less than truthful

The private investigator they hired is nothing but a $20,000 blowhard. He turned on the parents and declared he would solve everything .... yet produced absolutely nothing .... except for lots of publicity for himself ... which is something he likes very much.

When sensationalist programmer Nancy Grace did her show it produced thousands of people , mostly women , who hated the parents . Emotional feelings do not belong in detective work. Yet hatred for the parents continues to this day . Much of it here.

Some emotionally fueled people even insinuate that little Deorr was not even at the campsite to start with . That would require Grandpa and Isaac being liars.

Some cadaver dogs are specifically trained to scent underwater remains . With the latest news that cadaver dogs have again indicated at the creek could mean the body is trapped under rocks .... as was suspected all along by searchers.

If there was indeed an accident at the campsite it would require a lot of genius conspiracy and coverups to hide it all and get rid of all the evidence.

I do not feel anyone at that campsite had that capacity.

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[Arnie M]

I'd love to know what Nate Eaton thinks happened. He must have so much inside info.

I completely agree .... Mr Eaton is one of the best non-biased reporters I have ever seen .

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

To suggest they should still be searching for Deorr is absurd . The campground is way off the beaten path , the area has already been completely searched many times

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I agree. Life has to go on, and making a tw0 hour drive to a place where nothing has changed over and over and over isn't helping anyone. It's just a waste of fuel, time, and energy; and for what? Is it their job to go on making good theatre for those who will still think the worst regardless?

As much as we've all grown used to horror stories of parents intentionally hurting children, it's still a rare thing to happen.

 

[dalsglen]

I agree. Life has to go on, and making a tw0 hour drive to a place where nothing has changed over and over and over isn't helping anyone. It's just a waste of fuel, time, and energy; and for what? Is it their job to go on making good theatre for those who will still think the worst regardless?

As much as we've all grown used to horror stories of parents intentionally hurting children, it's still a rare thing to happen.

For what? For their missing child!! It's not an earring they've lost, it's their child.

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

For what? For their missing child!! It's not an earring they've lost, it's their child.

Yes.

Their missing child who will still be missing if they spend 7 days per week out looking for him.

Think about that for a moment. It means they're expected to:

-never take jobs that prevents them from spending at least three hours every day at that campground.

-spend at least three hours together, despite the fact they're no longer together. What fun!

-gas up the vehicle with enough extra gas to go out there everyday. How much does that cost???

-spend two hours driving, and revisiting all the worst emotions of the worst day of their lives. CPTSD, anyone? If they're normal parents who made a mistake & lost their child, do they deserve to lose their minds, too?

-drive to a place where there is nothing, and no one. That has already been searched high and low. Get out of the truck...and do what??? Yell? Walk 'round the same ol' path they walked 'round yesterday? Drive 'round all the little roads, looking for something hundreds of searchers missed? Climb the trees (and if one falls, does the other have to spend their life being blamed for that injury, too?)?

The parents do not have the resources to pay for helicopters and private trackers. They don't have the ability to do scuba searches of the waterway or send drones out for miles -and what would still be there to find, now? Only an expert will be able to tell if artifacts like bones are from a person, so are they expected to gather boxes of decomposed bunnies for analysis they can't afford? Clothing will be nothing but rotted rags, if there's anything at all (remember that animals use fabric for nesting material). Leather shoes and such will completely fall apart and be scattered, too. What will be there for them to find?

-drive home, empty handed, feeling like failures all over again. Try not to kill each other in the truck, because the whole world insists they have to go do it again tomorrow or they're monsters.

-rinse.repeat.lather…. forever???

The baby is not going to come wandering back to camp. For them to "keep searching" really isn't practical or even possible. It would just a be another tragic -and expensive- loss of life and sanity.

I think they're doing everything realistic. It's up to the police and other professionals who have the time, expertise, and skills to carry on the search and other investigations. It's also up to us -the people here- to help make sure the baby isn't forgotten, and the authorities don't shelve it until there are answers.

 

[ReadySet]

I thought that was a year ago? Has he been up there this year?

I wonder if this is the same place Marshburn's dogs hit.

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

I thought that was a year ago? Has he been up there this year?

? The ones that alerted on an animal bone?

 

[ReadySet]

Where is the searching 3 hours a day, climbing trees etc. coming from? Hiring helicopters and private searchers? In fact, I have seen no one here recently saying the parents should be up at the campground searching. You seem to be making an argument against ideas that are not posted here.

Vernal has a "Slippery When Wet" sticker on his van. He pointed with pride to a sticker of the vlogger who was videoing him. But he can't take 10 seconds to put a missing poster of his son on his van. Your prior contention was that LE did not consider seriously enough an abduction. Putting up missing posters seems a logical activity if that is the case.

JMO

Yes.

Their missing child who will still be missing if they spend 7 days per week out looking for him.

Think about that for a moment. It means they're expected to:

-never take jobs that prevents them from spending at least three hours every day at that campground.

-spend at least three hours together, despite the fact they're no longer together. What fun!

-gas up the vehicle with enough extra gas to go out there everyday. How much does that cost???

-spend two hours driving, and revisiting all the worst emotions of the worst day of their lives. CPTSD, anyone? If they're normal parents who made a mistake & lost their child, do they deserve to lose their minds, too?

-drive to a place where there is nothing, and no one. That has already been searched high and low. Get out of the truck...and do what??? Yell? Walk 'round the same ol' path they walked 'round yesterday? Drive 'round all the little roads, looking for something hundreds of searchers missed? Climb the trees (and if one falls, does the other have to spend their life being blamed for that injury, too?)?

The parents do not have the resources to pay for helicopters and private trackers. They don't have the ability to do scuba searches of the waterway or send drones out for miles -and what would still be there to find, now? Only an expert will be able to tell if artifacts like bones are from a person, so are they expected to gather boxes of decomposed bunnies for analysis they can't afford? Clothing will be nothing but rotted rags, if there's anything at all (remember that animals use fabric for nesting material). Leather shoes and such will completely fall apart and be scattered, too. What will be there for them to find?

-drive home, empty handed, feeling like failures all over again. Try not to kill each other in the truck, because the whole world insists they have to go do it again tomorrow or they're monsters.

-rinse.repeat.lather…. forever???

The baby is not going to come wandering back to camp. For them to "keep searching" really isn't practical or even possible. It would just a be another tragic -and expensive- loss of life and sanity.

I think they're doing everything realistic. It's up to the police and other professionals who have the time, expertise, and skills to carry on the search and other investigations. It's also up to us -the people here- to help make sure the baby isn't forgotten, and the authorities don't shelve it until there are answers.

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

Where is the searching 3 hours a day, climbing trees etc. coming from? Hiring helicopters and private searchers? In fact, I have seen no one here recently saying the parents should be up at the campground searching. You seem to be making an argument against ideas that are not posted here.

I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, just the general argument they should still be looking; or at least wallowing in anguish.

Vernal has a "Slippery When Wet" sticker on his van.

So what? Poor taste does not a killer make.

He pointed with pride to a sticker of the vlogger who was videoing him.

So??? I don't understand the point you're making? It sounds like you're advancing this as some kind of evidence he's hurt his child, but I can't make the connection.

But he can't take 10 seconds to put a missing poster of his son on his van.

I see your point here. I really do. But.... I can also think of his POV and recognize he is entitled to have something in his life that is not connected to the awful memory of his missing son.

Your prior contention was that LE did not consider seriously enough an abduction. Putting up missing posters seems a logical activity if that is the case.

JMO

Sure it is. But how many? For how long? How many days of their one and only precious lives should they spend nailing posters into poles?

The professionals are still investigating. They have the time, the resources, the skills and the expertise...and they have not arrested the parents yet. Until they do, they are merely players in this bizarre story, and until they are convicted of wrongdoing, they are innocent of wrongdoing.


PS: I hope no one takes any of my posts personally. I'm only stating my own opinions about what has happened, and those involved. If I quote and /or refute your post, it doesn't mean I'm arguing with you.