ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #7

[rkf]

July 31, 2015

[...]
Sheriff Lynn Bowerman updated KBOI 2News on the case of missing Idaho boy DeOrr Kunz, who was last seen July 10.
Although he's convinced the 2-year-old was not abducted, Bowerman said he's unable to rule out the possibility.

http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/DeOrr-Kunz-Missing-Idaho-320303121.html

I don't think LE can rule out anything until they find out what actually happened to little DeOrr. They don't seem to have any clues at all that point to any one theory. It seems like they are trying to figure out what could have happened to him that wouldn't leave any "evidence" at the campsite. Anyone and everyone could be wrong - they may find his body ten miles away on a cliff years from now. I'm back to mountain lion attack being my second favorite theory since it appears LE has ruled out the RSOs.

 

[ILOKAL]

They may have told authorities they left their house in Idaho Falls on July 10th, but now their PI is discussing the trip they made to the store "the morning after they arrived" which matches up with what has been posted all over this thread.

The link to the PI interview has already been posted.

When I researched this to death before, I could not find one interview or one quote from Jessica or Deorr saying which day they arrived. I choose to believe the statement by the PI backs up the rumors of the 9:30 pm Thursday arrival time (which I have read numerous times here). MOO

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Common sense tells me the PI MEANT they went to the store in the morning, AFTER they arrived. To have them arriving on Thursday requires so much convolution that the scenarios surrounding it become laughable, outlandish, far-fetched, and unbelievable. IMO.

 

[rkf]

Very respectfully, the type of questions outlined by Hatfield are fundamentals of journalism: who, what, where, when, why; I don't think that anyone is looking for a Woodward and Bernstein effort, just basic, competent reporting. It has been oddly absent in this case -- poor baby DeOrr.

JMO, etc.

Why haven't any other media outlets interviewed the parents? Are JM and DK refusing to be on camera with anyone other than Nate Eaton? Have other Idaho stations deemed the story "old news"? I don't understand the family not wanting to scream their son's name far and wide and I don't understand the local media's failure to follow the story. Isn't East Idaho News strictly an online news outlet? If so, is Eaton basically working as a stringer for MSM?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks for posting that so we can all see they did indeed leave their home on Friday, July 10th and arrived on July 10th, the same day little Deorr vanished!

I believe the PI and not the reporter. However, DeOrr reported as last seen on July 10th doesn't mean they did not arrive the night before. So no...it doesn't mean they left their home on Friday, July 10th as a confirmation at all.

Something is amiss with the start date on this one and we should be asking why.

 

[rkf]

Here's what bothers me about the cadaver dogs. If a body lay temporarily by the side of the reservoir, I think the dogs would alert to that. How does LE know the dogs alerted to the cremains and not to where a body temporarily laid before being moved? Was it something about the way the dogs behaved? Or did LE assume the alert was to the cremains and nothing else?

 

[rkf]

I believe the PI and not the reporter. However, DeOrr reported as last seen on July 10th doesn't mean they did not arrive the night before. So no...it doesn't mean they left their home on Friday, July 10th as a confirmation at all.

Something is amiss with the start date on this one and we should be asking why.

I don't believe the PI or the reporter! I would like to hear when they arrived from the parents' mouths, not a relative or second hand news report. JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Common sense tells me the PI MEANT they went to the store in the morning, AFTER they arrived. To have them arriving on Thursday requires so much convolution that the scenarios surrounding it become laughable, outlandish, far-fetched, and unbelievable. IMO.

"The morning after they arrived" definitely means they arrived at the camp the night before. No one says, "The morning after" meaning the same day. Heck...they even have a form of birth control called the "Morning After Pill". That is common sense. It means the the time is the following day after the night before.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't believe the PI or the reporter! I would like to hear when they arrived from the parents' mouths, not a relative or second hand news report. JMO

I agree. Why are they so hesitant to clarify it? It is a basic question and at the crux of this case.

 

[ILOKAL]

I believe the PI and not the reporter. However, DeOrr reported as last seen on July 10th doesn't mean they did not arrive the night before. So no...it doesn't mean they left their home on Friday, July 10th as a confirmation at all.

Something is amiss with the start date on this one and we should be asking why.

Did you miss the MSM article posted by rfk up thread? They left their home in I D A H O F A L L S on F R I D A Y, J U L Y 10th and arrived on the 10th and little Doerr vanished on the 10th. It's not a matter of believing the P.I. it's simply a matter of understanding what he thought he said. Hey, why not just give him a call or send him an email? He seems pretty accessible. IMO

 

[rkf]

I agree. Why are they so hesitant to clarify it? It is a basic question and at the crux of this case.

That's one of the reasons I think LE has an idea of what happened. If it's not "sensitive" information, why dance around it? The reluctance to provide any specific, verifiable information about the camping trip shows everything about the trip is "sensitive". This could be because of something unrelated to DeOrr, but I would think DeOrr's disappearance would be more important than anything else that the parents want to keep quiet. I think the reason people are suspicious is because the parents' behavior has not mirrored what would be expected of/recommended by NCMEC for parents whose child has been abducted or even might have wandered off where he could be found. Polly Klass' family had an uncle act as spokesperson so the parents could concentrate on other things, but information could be frequently disseminated to the public. JMO

 

[1&2&3]

How many ways can this case be twisted? I am so confused. Were the dogs cadaver dogs? IIRC the dogs were brought in about 3 days after Deorr went missing.

It would be interesting to see what dogs looking for an alive human would have shown. Perhaps they would have given a better idea of where all Deorr walked while at camp.

 

[ILOKAL]

"The morning after they arrived" definitely means they arrived at the camp the night before. No one says, "The morning after" meaning the same day. Heck...they even have a form of birth control called the "Morning After Pill". That is common sense. It means the the time is the following day after the night before.

Put his full statement in context. They went to the store (in) the morning, after they arrived. That's how he said it, WITH the punctuation clearly in place. CALL HIM and ask!!

 

[rkf]

Did you miss the MSM article posted by rfk up thread? They left their home in I D A H O F A L L S on F R I D A Y, J U L Y 10th and arrived on the 10th and little Doerr vanished on the 10th. It's not a matter of believing the P.I. it's simply a matter of understanding what he thought he said. Hey, why not just give him a call or send him an email? He seems pretty accessible. IMO

I don't know if you were following the Jerold case, but the anchor on MSM stated that his body was found in a lake. I posted that on the thread and defended her statement, because <modsnip>. BUT the anchor actually did misspeak or add her own detail. Just because something is said in MSM doesn't make it true. The Reuters article doesn't say where they got the information. I think MSM is guessing and speculating with the rest of us. If the people at the camp ground aren't talking to reporters (except Eaton who is treating them with kid gloves - which I feel is doing them a greater disservice than treating them like they are innocent), MSM doesn't know what happened there or in the days leading up to the trip anymore than we do here on the thread. JMO

 

[4senthia]

IMO there is room to doubt the day of their arrival @the campsite.
I don't know whom to believe either.
It depends also on whether everyone who was there and was interviewed is telling the truth.
There are polygraphs (@least of the parents) out there and of course we have no idea what they indicated. We shouldn't expect to be told. We don't even know if Bowerman knows the results.
Sure there may be a straightforward reason to this disappearance.
If there is, it alludes me.
Idle chatter can cause actions on the parts of others. Sometimes on the parts of unknown others. Don't see why an abduction couldn't have happened.
To say that DeOrr was never @the site is a terrifying thought.
May be true. But that would mean the parents are lying and were from the very start.
I'm treading lightly on that @the moment.
jmho

 

[rkf]

Put his full statement in context. They went to the store (in) the morning, after they arrived. That's how he said it, WITH the punctuation clearly in place. CALL HIM and ask!!

I'm not sure what the Sheriff says, if one of us calls him and reports back, is allowed to be discussed here. I think it is considered "rumor" unless it is published in MSM or by LE. (I think this because I got part of my post snipped for referring to another poster's post about what the Sheriff said...) Also, I think the Sheriff has more important things to do than answer our questions. I don't think he should be giving out information to Joe Public while an investigation is ongoing, but that's JMO. (Not that I'm not grateful when he does. I want any crumb we can get!)

 

[kammiemc]

"The morning after they arrived" definitely means they arrived at the camp the night before. No one says, "The morning after" meaning the same day. Heck...they even have a form of birth control called the "Morning After Pill". That is common sense. It means the the time is the following day after the night before.

And a song! Remember this one?:

There's got to be a morning after
If we can hold on through the night
We have a chance to find the sunshine

 

[rkf]

How many ways can this case be twisted? I am so confused. Were the dogs cadaver dogs? IIRC the dogs were brought in about 3 days after Deorr went missing.

It would be interesting to see what dogs looking for an alive human would have shown. Perhaps they would have given a better idea of where all Deorr walked while at camp.

The article I linked to just up thread said dogs were brought in right away. I'm assuming cadaver dogs weren't brought in until a bit later.

 

[bessie]

I believe the PI and not the reporter. However, DeOrr reported as last seen on July 10th doesn't mean they did not arrive the night before. So no...it doesn't mean they left their home on Friday, July 10th as a confirmation at all.

Something is amiss with the start date on this one and we should be asking why.

I agree we should ask why, but I'd add that we should not automatically assume a "cover up" on the part of the parents. Why LE has not released to the media a simple timeline of the basic facts is beyond me. Has even one reporter requested a timeline from LE? Suffice to say, the reporting has been atrocious all around. If nothing else, perhaps the PI can arrange an interview with a national media outlet where the right questions can be asked, answered, and reported.

 

[ILOKAL]

I'm not sure what the Sheriff says, if one of us calls him and reports back, is allowed to be discussed here. I think it is considered "rumor" unless it is published in MSM or by LE. (I think this because I got part of my post snipped for referring to another poster's post about what the Sheriff said...) Also, I think the Sheriff has more important things to do than answer our questions. I don't think he should be giving out information to Joe Public while an investigation is ongoing, but that's JMO. (Not that I'm not grateful when he does. I want any crumb we can get!)

Not the Sheriff, call the P.I.! Ask him when the parents left their house and when they arrived.

 

[dek]

I'm not sure what the Sheriff says, if one of us calls him and reports back, is allowed to be discussed here. I think it is considered "rumor" unless it is published in MSM or by LE. (I think this because I got part of my post snipped for referring to another poster's post about what the Sheriff said...) Also, I think the Sheriff has more important things to do than answer our questions. I don't think he should be giving out information to Joe Public while an investigation is ongoing, but that's JMO. (Not that I'm not grateful when he does. I want any crumb we can get!)

I believe ILOKAL meant to call the PI, not the sheriff.