Found Deceased ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #74

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Did Melaniece get on the witness stand?
 
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Did Melaniece get on the witness stand?
No. I don’t think we will ever know why.

She should have been charged with conspiracy.
 
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Did Melaniece get on the witness stand?
Nooooo. Melani P did not testify. And I need to find out why!!! She is into this case up to her neck!
 
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Need help!!! Now that state and defense have rested....the one thing that's really bugging me is why didn't Melani Pawlowski testify? It seems to me she had a heck of a lot of information to add to the Prosecution's case.

I know she was in town under subpoena, and her husband testified. Then prosecution let her return home without calling her to stand..Anyone know what happened? Or, can someone speculate.?I'm loosing sleep over this one.
I really don’t think she wanted to testify. IMO she felt that it may impact her child custody case. IMO the prosecution could possibly have seen her as a hostile witness or as a liability.
 
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I am wondering that they didn't bother with MP testimony, because she would take the fifth for every single question.


Starts around 4:00.

Eta: I think she intentionally acted sketchy by reading up on things after Ian testified to avoid being called to testify. My take.
 
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This is what I was initially expecting, but as the trial went on, it became more and more apparent that LVD had gone out of her way to isolate her kids and cut out of her life anyone who might have challenged her worldview -- a RED FLAG that someone may be involved in a cult.

It's interesting to note Steven Hassan's BITE model and how many of the cult mind control methods that were explicitly used by LVD within this little group:

Behavior Control
- Dictate where, how, and with whom the member lives and associates or isolates (telling AC, MP, and ZP to move to Rexburg)
- When, how, and with whom the member has sex (encouraging marriages/divorces)
- Financial exploitation, manipulation, or dependence (paying for CD's travel - possibly others'?)
- Major time spent with group indoctrination and rituals ("casting" meetings)
- Permission required for major decisions (marriages, divorces, custody, travel)
- Rewards and punishments used to modify behaviors (offering CD intimacy as a reward)
- Discourage individualism, encourage group-think
- Threaten harm to family and friends (talking about making those with "dark spirits" scream)
- Instill dependency and obedience
- Separation of families (encouraging CD to get rid of TD)
- Murder

Information Control
- Deliberately withhold information (not telling CV's kids how he died)
- Distort information to make it more acceptable (lying to strangers about how CV died)
- Keep members busy so they don't have time to think and investigate (castings, prayers, visiting the LDS temple)
- Compartmentalize information into Outsider vs Insider doctrines (Church of Firstborn vs "regular" LDS)
- Control information at different levels and missions within the group (missions to complete on this earth)
- Allow only leadership to decide who needs to know what and when ("I'll ask CD to find out...")
- Misquoting statements or using them out of context from non-cult sources (using Christian/LDS terminology)

Thought control
- Require members to internalize group's doctrine as truth
- Instill black and white thinking (dark/light)
- Decide between good and evil (dark/light scale)
- Change person's name and identity ("nicknames" from previous lives)
- Use of loaded language and cliche ("zombies," "warrior up")
- Hypnotic techniques ("healings," casting circles)
- Instill new "map of reality"

Emotional control
- Make the person feel that problems are always their own fault, never the leader's or group's fault (being opposed by evil spirits)
- Instill fear (fear of possession)
- Extremes of emotional highs and lows (love-bombing, telling ZP and others "you're a goddess!")
- Terrible consequences if you leave (possession)
Thank you for sharing.
 
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I really don’t think she wanted to testify. IMO she felt that it may impact her child custody case. IMO the prosecution could possibly have seen her as a hostile witness or as a liability.
I didn't realize that the child custody case was still on-going.
 
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I didn't realize that the child custody case was still on-going.
If I was Brandon or the judge, I would never want MP around those children again. She was willing to see Alex kill Brandon based on Lori saying he was dark. She was willing to allow her own children to be killed since Lori told her they were dark. I’m not sure why she wasn’t charged but the texts prove her involvement and her permission to allow their deaths. She is NOT a mother. And imo, if IP was any kind of man, he would divorce and file for custody of their child also. He seems to have bought into the Chad way of life, regardless of what he told LE.
 
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Hey Nate I’m not on Twitter. Can you post here for all of us?
 
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Guess Lori believes she’s walking free next week but to whom, Melaneice?
Doesn’t she also face charges in AZ?
What does she have to smile about?
 
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The two reporters that have been on this since the beginning, Nate & Justin didn’t get a ticket for closings? How sad!!

maybe they can tweet from the overflow room … but no reactions from the jury & Lori

A general member of the public should give Nate or Gigi theirs. I know there are also true crime fans there and they should know how important that is.
 
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