Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #47

[Onsdag]

Pure speculation on my part but I think LV’s other attorneys said buh-bye when LV insisted MM stay on the team.

There did seem to be some unresolvable differences between Mr. Webb and Mr. Means. The looks they were giving each other at Lori's first court appearance were rather telling; the tension between them is palpably thick. They're not talking to each other, just silently staring each other down, jaws firmly set with a slight frown.

And later, in the hearing where Judge Eddins would recuse himself from the case, on the phone Mr. Webb sounded like he did not want to talk with Mr. Means at all and there again seemed to be some notable tension and differences between them to the point that Mr. Webb decided to announce then and there his firm's intention to withdraw from the case. Judge Eddins seemed so shocked he didn't quite know how to proceed and asked Mr. Wood what he thought. Mr Wood also seemed dumbfounded and noted the tension in his remarks saying that these "two attorneys of record who seem to be having differing opinions."

Judge removes himself from case as two of Lori Vallow Daybell's attorneys plan to do the same | East Idaho News

It sure would be interesting to find out the story behind all of that. All MOO.

 

[Tortoise]

You mean the kids' autopsies, right? Not Tammy's? I ask only because what you quoted (above) was discussing Tammy's autopsy. If Nate said something about digital evidence to convict somebody in Tammy's murder I'd love to hear that.

I'm pretty I remember the same thing and it being NE, it wasn't SM but I could be wrong. I'm trying to find the link as well

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#wherearethekids: Sources tell CBS News there is digital evidence that links Alex Cox to Tammy Daybell's death. Her autopsy results are still pending. Alex died in December before he could ever be questioned. #azfamily https://azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/missing_idaho_kids/sources-alex-cox-may-be-linked-to-tammy-daybell-s/article_c0215994-6287-11ea-b797-978de65867de.html
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2:19 AM · Mar 10, 2020

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ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

 

[ReadyorNot]

Thank you! And yes, we are working on that timeline. Hoping to have it done midweek. It will be a timeline that references both custody disputes between LVD & JR as well as CV & CW. The custody disputes And accusations did not start until around 6 months after the marriage of LVD & CV, with both of their former spouses

Not exactly accurate. CV and his wife (CW) had a mostly amicable divorce and custody schedule for 2-3 years. They even negotiated property and money settlements privately. Just 4 months before he married LV, when he was approximately $30,000. behind on child support, all hell broke loose between them at which time CV appears to be playing a nasty game against CW. He basically became uncooperative in every way. Mostly all of it initiated by CV which I find difficult to believe LV, wasn't the instigator of.

The issues between LV & JR started 6 months later that is true and they were using the same attorney to go after both parents at the exact same time.

 

[ReadyorNot]

To give an example and add on to my last post when CV was now approximately $50,000 dollars behind on child support and CW initiates enforcement of that, 3 weeks later LV accuses one of CV's kids of being inappropriate and they report that to CPS. So I think we can see what's going on here & that was probably one of many false accusations.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Sharing with permission from Tricia. Court records surround assault allegations between CV & CW.


Dropbox - VALLOW711.pdf - Simplify your life

Wow. So in 2003 CW pressed charges against CV for assault after he got angry and confronted her about an affair she was supposedly having? He allegedly grabbed her arm and pushed her into a wall and she later dismissed charges. This certainly adds a new light to the whole story!

EDIT: Actually, CW did not press charges, the State of Texas did, but in the dismissal it states the "complaining witness" requested the dismissal.

 

[WTAF Wicked Truths]

Not exactly accurate. CV and his wife (CW) had a mostly amicable divorce and custody schedule for 2-3 years. They even negotiated property and money settlements privately. Just 4 months before he married LV, when he was approximately $30,000. behind on child support, all hell broke loose between them at which time CV appears to be playing a nasty game against CW. He basically became uncooperative in every way. Mostly all of it initiated by CV which I find difficult to believe LV, wasn't the instigator of.

The issues between LV & JR started 6 months later that is true and they were using the same attorney to go after both parents at the exact same time.

I should have specified-I wasn’t talking about child support or the amicable divorce. I was speaking about other issues brought to court. At any rate; we will have a complete timeline for both CV/CW and LV/JR

 

[Nikynoo]

I was reading through the police interview of TR after CV's murder. So many questions...

One thing that I hadn't noticed before is that TR says that she ran out of the house and to CV's rental, that JV was in the front seat, she opened the front door and then had to keep him from getting out. Arizona requires a booster seat for all children under 8 and 4'9". JV was 7 y/o and 4'0". Presumably, he also had Bailey with him, although there is no mention of him. Why would JV be in a booster in the front seat? It's safe to assume that the rental car had passenger airbags, and we know that it isn't wise to have small children in the front seat.* Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to be in the backseat, in a booster, with Bailey?

* PSA: If you weren't aware of this, please start putting your young, small children in the back seat if at all possible. Pickup trucks would clearly not be possible.

Actuallu, I think this is a good catch. Where was the dog? I also have a labradoodle, who is very protective of me. IF there was shouting etc going on in the house, I'm sure the dog would have been barking?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Wow. So in 2003 CW pressed charges against CV for assault after he got angry and confronted her about an affair she was supposedly having? He allegedly grabbed her arm and pushed her into a wall and she later dismissed charges. This certainly adds a new light to the whole story!

EDIT: Actually, CW did not press charges, the State of Texas did, but in the dismissal it states the "complaining witness" requested the dismissal.

This is the type of stuff that clouds the focus of LV/CD/AlC involvement in the deaths of JJ and Tylee.

I will stay my rudder. At this very moment.

While interesting, does not lessen what we already know for the deaths of JJ and Tylee, and the prosecution of such.

This is the type of moving the emphasis to other extraneous tangential stuff which defense teams just lovvvvvvvvvvvvvvve to do that have Lori and Chad for clients.

While I do want justice for others, my focus will continue to be on JJ and Tylee.

MOO

Hopefully in the future, we will have subthreads on this case to focus this main thread on the deaths of JJ and Tylee. There is now so much extraneous that MOO we need subthreads now. I will alert this post to ask mods for consideration.

 

[acutename]

I doubt she got a perm done in prison. It looks like she braids her hair while damp and then takes the braids out when it dries to create waves.

the hairstyle seems to have showed up at her wedding; Wedding photos show Lori Vallow's and Chad Daybell's ceremony just 6 weeks after kids go missing

and her part flips to the opposite side of her head from where it was in
her older pictures :
إخطار إعادة التوجيه

people do change hair styles, but it just stands out to me somehow.
outward manifestation of something? IMO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is the type of stuff that clouds the focus of LV/CD/AlC involvement in the deaths of JJ and Tylee.

I will stay my rudder. At this very moment.

While interesting, does not lessen what we already know for the deaths of JJ and Tylee, and the prosecution of such.

This is the type of moving the emphasis to other extraneous tangential stuff which defense teams just lovvvvvvvvvvvvvvve to do that have Lori and Chad for clients.

While I do want justice for others, my focus will continue to be on JJ and Tylee.

MOO

Hopefully in the future, we will have subthreads on this case to focus this main thread on the deaths of JJ and Tylee. There is now so much extraneous that MOO we need subthreads now. I will alert this post to ask mods for consideration.

Thank you!

 

[Sorelle19]

This is the type of stuff that clouds the focus of LV/CD/AlC involvement in the deaths of JJ and Tylee.

I will stay my rudder. At this very moment.

While interesting, does not lessen what we already know for the deaths of JJ and Tylee, and the prosecution of such.

This is the type of moving the emphasis to other extraneous tangential stuff which defense teams just lovvvvvvvvvvvvvvve to do that have Lori and Chad for clients.

While I do want justice for others, my focus will continue to be on JJ and Tylee.

MOO

Hopefully in the future, we will have subthreads on this case to focus this main thread on the deaths of JJ and Tylee. There is now so much extraneous that MOO we need subthreads now. I will alert this post to ask mods for consideration.

I respectfully disagree that these court docs - and many more not yet available on WS--don't tie in to a greater understanding of how Tylee and JJ ended up dead along with others. IMO, they are a window into the early and ongoing manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the kids in Lori's orbit. Perversely, they masqueraded as the opposite. The immense drama, conflict, manipulation, and partner degradation embodied by Lori was toxic for all involved, IMO.

 

[Sorelle19]

Why the focus and posts on Lori and Chad's appearances? They charmed plenty of people - that's a fact. Whether anyone on this forum finds them charming or pretty or charismatic is their opinion, but I'm not sure how that's relevant.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I respectfully disagree that these court docs - and many nore not yet available on WS--don't tie in to a greater understanding of how Tylee and JJ ended up dead along with others. IMO, they are a window into the early and ongoing manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the kids in Lori's orbit. Perversely, they masqueraded as the opposite. The immense drama, conflict, manipulation, and partner degradation embodied by Lori was toxic for all involved, IMO.

Oh, I do NOT disagree with you on this.

But for focus, I think that this has now come to a time where we need subthreads for discussion. So folks here can focus on subthreads for each such as you state. Ergo, my shout out that we have subthreads for this case as MOO we are beyond the tipping point.

This is the MOST complex case I have followed in 10 years, and wish there were subthreads as we have in so many cases.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I don't communicate as well as others here to encompass my meanings. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify. It is needed to discuss, but so complex the tangents perhaps need their own subthreads.. does that make sense?

 

[Sorelle19]

Though, there’s a difference between not talking, and not talking to the press. Hopefully they are cooperating with police, but I think staying away from the press is a good thing.

Let us hope...

 

[CSIDreamer]

I respectfully disagree that these court docs - and many more not yet available on WS--don't tie in to a greater understanding of how Tylee and JJ ended up dead along with others. IMO, they are a window into the early and ongoing manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the kids in Lori's orbit. Perversely, they masqueraded as the opposite. The immense drama, conflict, manipulation, and partner degradation embodied by Lori was toxic for all involved, IMO.

I'm not picking on you. I've voiced this opinion before.

I'm extremely uncomfortable with this new unredacted info. I have no idea if it could be used in the current (and future) cases against LVD or not. It certainly can't be held against CD. Jmo

 

[WTAF Wicked Truths]

I respectfully disagree that these court docs - and many more not yet available on WS--don't tie in to a greater understanding of how Tylee and JJ ended up dead along with others. IMO, they are a window into the early and ongoing manipulation and disregard for the welfare of the kids in Lori's orbit. Perversely, they masqueraded as the opposite. The immense drama, conflict, manipulation, and partner degradation embodied by Lori was toxic for all involved, IMO.

Agreed. The FBI has reopened the death investigation of JR. All of these elements are crucial to understand. Given the custody battles, multiple assaults that occurred through out the custody battles, etc, one must ask how and why LVD still had Tylee in her care and how and why LVD and CW were allowed to adopt JJV. These children could have and should have been given safety long before the present day circumstances. MOO.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Agreed. The FBI has reopened the death investigation of JR. All of these elements are crucial to understand. Given the custody battles, multiple assaults that occurred through out the custody battles, etc, one must ask how and why LVD still had Tylee in her care and how and why LVD and CW were allowed to adopt JJV. These children could have and should have been given safety long before the present day circumstances. MOO.

Exactly. That is why I believe so very important at this time to ready for so much information to dive into the tangential areas of background with subthreads.

I see that you are new to WS. When cases get complex and large, WS usually does "subthreads" to dive in and discuss different areas.

It may not come into trial all of this, as did not much we discussed during the Cayleee Anthony case and others... but it was publicly discussed here.

I anticipate from reading here that your documents are one of the subthreads when that happens.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Actuallu, I think this is a good catch. Where was the dog? I also have a labradoodle, who is very protective of me. IF there was shouting etc going on in the house, I'm sure the dog would have been barking?

Exactly. People keep forgetting about the dog. Shouting set the dog off? How about multiple shots from a .45 automatic? (If you are to believe the Alex/Lori/Tylee story).

My personal opinion is that everything told to LE, including by Tylee, was a fabrication. I think Alex's truck was parked out of sight and Charles pulled into the driveway, walked inside and was confronted at gunpoint by Alex and Lori and ordered to surrender his wallet, rental car key fob, and phone. Lori and Tylee then hustled JJ and the dog through the garage into the Kia and drove off. Alex shot Charles (probably with a suppressor on the .45), and staged the crime scene by retrieving his truck, doing a bit of cleaning, and fetching the bat. Cops arrive, stories are told, happy-happy all around. Except for poor Charles.

Again, in my opinion, Chad and Lori started worrying that Tylee wasn't going to stick to the story. They arranged for her to be handed off to person or persons unknown at Yellowstone, and she refused to go, so they brought her back and killed her (or killed her on the way back). JJ became unmanageable and so they killed him. No more humanity than a pit viper between the two of them.

 

[Sorelle19]

I'm not picking on you. I've voiced this opinion before.

I'm extremely uncomfortable with this new unredacted info. I have no idea if it could be used in the current (and future) cases against LVD or not. It certainly can't be held against CD. Jmo

I understand feeling uncomfortable. Having read them all, I was disputing their relevance to the deaths of Tylee and JJ. Anyone uncomfortable with the scope of the content (custody battles, sexual abuse allegations) should pass.

 

[wenwe4]

Agreed. The FBI has reopened the death investigation of JR. All of these elements are crucial to understand. Given the custody battles, multiple assaults that occurred through out the custody battles, etc, one must ask how and why LVD still had Tylee in her care and how and why LVD and CW were allowed to adopt JJV. These children could have and should have been given safety long before the present day circumstances. MOO.

I am thankful for the opportunity to review these old court records. I am able to discern patterns of behavior now that are well established with LVD over a very long period of time. She is charming and demanding, makes outrageous claims and keeps everyone dancing to find out if they are actually true, meanwhile she is working on an escape plan for if/when her antics are exposed. She fires Attorneys, moves jurisdictions, agrees to mediation/court orders but refuses to sign and/or comply. As soon as someone starts to hone in on what might be actually going on - she distracts with a new and improved dramatic crisis all the while convincing her "cronies" to help her "save the children" (or save humanity).
JMO