Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #50

[Occula]

My first thought. Tylee's phone? But do we know that for sure? It was not identified as such, so it's an assumption. But is it?

Sounds like a teens phone by the description

 

[Gardenkeep]

My first thought was Tammy's phone, because I assumed Tylee's was recovered in HI.
Edit spelling

That's right. Tylee's phone was recovered in Hawaii with her mother. So, Tammy? Which is the whole raccoon story?

 

[Emi]

East Idaho News [URL='https://twitter.com/EastIDNews']@EastIDNews [/URL]20m
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Clandestine is, "marked by, held in, or conducted with secrecy," according to the
@MerriamWebster Dictionary.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 20m
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The FBI used a scanner to take measurements of the gravesite. As they excavate they take note layer by layer "to tell the story" of the gravesite.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 19m
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The @FBI removed the vegetation, the could eventually see stones protruding through the ground. States exhibit 22 is another photo taken by the FBI.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 19m
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The photo shows the stones placed on the grave. "Someones placed stones over this," Special Agent Daniels said. Roots from the nearby tree were cut in the area, "showing the effort of how this was done."

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 17m
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State's Exhibit 23 is now entered, a photo of the flat wood panels at the gravesite. Daniels said they wanted to capture the effort someone took at the gravesite.

East Idaho News [URL='https://twitter.com/EastIDNews']@EastIDNews 16m[/URL]
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The @FBI went further under the boards, finding a black plastic bag, potentially a black garbage bag. Daniels said they needed to verify if there were human remains. He removed the dirt, an oval-shaped object wrapped tightly around. He said it felt like a skull.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 15m
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The special agent pulled the plastic bag off to cut with a razor blade. A white plastic bag was underneath another garbage bag with a diamond-shaped texture.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 14m
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He made another cut "as I cut through the white plastic that's when the possible human hair started to come out on my hands," Special Agent Daniels said.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 14m
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Investigators started to remove the body wrapped in plastic. The remains were then placed in a body bag.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 13m
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State's exhibit 25 is a photo of the pet cemetery. It shows the dog statue and an area that looked like multiple potential graves.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 12m
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The FBI ERT team created a 10-foot by 10-foot squares around the potential gravesites.
[URL='https://twitter.com/EastIDNews']East Idaho News @EastIDNews 12m
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Handtools were used to find animal remains. After, a backhoe came in and uncovered two feet down in the 10 foot by 10-foot area.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 11m
As the backhoe began digging, they began expanding the hole, showing two potential vertebrae or backbones. An anthropologist couldn't determine if they were animal or human remains. #ChadDaybell #Prelim
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An odor hit the FBI agent's nose of potential decomposing flesh. They then stopped using the backhoe and used handtools.
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The team hit a bone sticking out of the ground, leading into flesh. They could still not determine if it was animal or human. They continued to dig, showing more pieces. The major piece was a possible pelvic piece.

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That is where the FBI stopped for the day. They knew they found human remains, marking burial site two. [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChadDaybell?src=hashtag_click']#ChadDaybell #Prelim
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[URL='https://twitter.com/EastIDNews']East Idaho News @EastIDNews [/URL]9m
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Those pieces were burned and had pink flesh dismembered. They were placed into a body bag and removed by the coroner. #ChadDaybell #Prelim

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 4m
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On June 10, the FBI team began working again. They started following the same process removing the dirt layer by layer. Daniels said it was a mass of dismembered human remains, burnt, partially burnt, making it difficult to excavate.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 3m
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The went all around the mass, and at the bottom, they found a melted green bucket and to the side, a skull. along the side of that, a jawbone with teeth. #ChadDaybell #Prelim

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 3m
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When the team tried to lift the mass, it fell apart. The team had to remove the pieces into a body bag. #ChadDaybell #Prelim

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 2m
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"I don't want to leave at the end of the day partial remains," Daniels said. The team had to keep digging making sure they had every part of the remains, sifting through dirt. They looked for small bones, teeth and other remains. #ChadDaybell #Prelim

Chanley Shá Painter @ChanleyCourtTV 15m
Special Agent Daniels walks the court through burial site #1 (JJ’s gravesite) and then burial site #2 (Tylee’s in the pet cemetery), saying: “Eventually we're able to excavate a few pieces; the major piece ends up being a pelvic piece.” The dismembered pieces were burned

Chanley Shá Painter @ChanleyCourtTV 7m
For Burial site #2: ERT Excavated all around “this mass of human remains” “At the bottom of this mass, we find this melted green bucket” to the side of the bucket a skull …

Chanley Shá Painter @ChanleyCourtTV 2m
State introducing photos of a cell phone found during this search


Chanley Shá Painter [URL='https://twitter.com/ChanleyCourtTV']@ChanleyCourtTV [/URL]5m
NOW: State asks about 1st seach Jan. 3, 2020 of Daybell property… Special Agent Daniels was the team leader for that search also.

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 32m
Daniels is the agent who cut open the black plastic bag JJ Vallow was found in.

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 31m
He felt a round object. “To me it just felt like the shape of a skull.”

[URL='https://twitter.com/jlumfox10']Justin Lum @jlumfox10 [/URL]28m
Areas where remains were discovered.
North side of pond area: Remains of JJ buried.
Pet cemetery next to fire pit: Remains of Tylee buried.
Both sites correspond to where GPS pings from Alex Cox’s phone came from 9/9 and 9/23.
Justin Lum @jlumfox10 26m
On the morning of 9/9, investigators say Daybell texted his wife Tammy. He said he shot a big raccoon along the fence and buried it in the pet cemetery. But police say they found remains of a cat and dog. No sign of raccoon.




Justin Lum @jlumfox10 25m
As you can imagine, this is gut wrenching for JJ’s grandparents to listen to. For the past two days a crime victim assistant has been sitting next to them in the gallery.

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 24m

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 24m
A major piece Daniels remembers finding during excavation he says is “possible pelvic piece.”

[URL='https://twitter.com/jlumfox10']Justin Lum @jlumfox10 [/URL]22m
“We knew at that point we had found human remains.” - Daniels
*graphic*
FBI found pieces of charred bone, some still pink with tissue. ERT put them in bag and gave it to coroner.
Justin Lum @jlumfox10 22m
This came from “burial site #2” where Tylee Ryan’s remains were found in pet cemetery. All this happened on Day 1 of the search alone.
Justin Lum @jlumfox10 17m

Back at the specific site the next day (6/10), Daniels says team went back to same process. “It was kind of a mass of dismembered human remains. Burnt, partially burnt.” At the bottom of the mass, FBI finds melted green bucket. Next to it is a skull.



Justin Lum @jlumfox10 15m
This is the most detailed breakdown from a witness on the recovery of the childrens’ remains. The process and strategy of the investigation and how the remains were found. Such a crucial testimony. And completely devastating.

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 15m
Rewind back to 1/3/20 in snowy, freezing Salem, Idaho. Daniels is about to discuss the search at the Daybell property. This was more than a month before Lori Vallow was arrested one Kauai.

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 11m
Recess for lunch. Court will reconvene in 80 minutes.

[URL='https://twitter.com/EastIDNews']East Idaho News [URL='https://twitter.com/EastIDNews']@EastIDNews [/URL][/URL]15m
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Daniels said he came to the Daybell house on Jan. 3, 2020 to help Fremont County Sheriff's Office search the house.

East Idaho News @EastIDNews 12m
State's exhibits 28 and 29 are photographs taken at the Jan. 3 search warrant. They are of an LG cellphone removed from the house in a bedroom.

 

[indicolite22]

My first thought was Tammy's phone, because I assumed Tylee's was recovered in HI.
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The raccoon text was recovered from Tammy's phone, that's probably why the phone was put in as evidence.

 

[fred&edna]

Transcript of the short phone call -

CHAD: They’re searching the property
LORI: The house right now?
CHAD: Yes. Mark Means will be talking to you. They’re out on the property.
LORI: Are they seizing stuff?
CHAD: They’re searching & have a search warrant. We’ll see what transpires.
LORI: What can I do for you?
CHAD: I‘m feeling pretty calm, I would call Mark though and talk with him. I spoke with Mark. I love you so much
LORI: Should I try and call you later?
CHAD: I don’t know. I love you and we’ll talk soon.
LORI: I love you baby
[phone call ends]

Thank you so much for transcribing!

The call wasn't as enlightening as I'd imagined. From here on... I must remind myself to just wait for a kindly transcript because I cannot stand Lori's voice.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Thank you so much for transcribing!

The call wasn't as enlightening as I'd imagined. From here on... I must remind myself to just wait for a kindly transcript because I cannot stand Lori's voice.

There's a little more to the call than that. Chad implies he might not be able to talk to her later (he knows he getting arrested soon imo).
ETA he also says he is glad she called, and she asks if she should pray.

 

[Hatfield]

BBM. That's because at the beginning the court has requested that the media not video or take photos of any of the exhibits entered into evidence. You'll notice occasionally as an exhibit is entered in sometimes the prosecutor will request that it be "published," in which case I believe the audio portion can be recorded and broadcast by the media, but still no photographic or video of the exhibits. JMO.

Thanks for explaining why we dont get to see the exhibits.

 

[BUF]

There's a little more to the call than that. Chad implies he might not be able to talk to her later (he knows he getting arrested soon imo).
ETA he also says he is glad she called called, and she asks is she should pray.

Chad: I love you so much. Lori: Ok, I love you. Should I try to call you later? Chad: Um, I don't know......I love you. Talk soon Lori: Ok, baby. I love you.

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Emi]

Adam Herbets @AdamHerbets 8m
Here's video from that testy exchange between defense attorney John Prior and Melanie Gibb to kick off Day 2.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1290715359964626945

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 14m
How calm Lori Vallow sounded on the jail call w/ Chad Daybell. He had just told her the FBI was searching his property for HER KIDS. I assume she knew the call was recorded but still showed no panic. Ending the convo w/ “Okay baby, I love you.”



[URL='https://twitter.com/ericgrossarth']Eric Grossarth [URL='https://twitter.com/ericgrossarth']@ericgrossarth [/URL][/URL]20m
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Some moments of #ChadDaybell’s preliminary hearing were apparently hard for #JJVallow’s grandfather Larry Woodcock to hear. Specifically when the FBI talked about the recovery of the remains. At one point the agent talked about the boy’s hair going into his hands.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I heard CD say they're searching the property when LVD asked him if they were searching the house again and if they were seizing anything,b ut he mumbled something after that . . . IMO

I listened to the "enhanced" tape and am pretty sure I heard him say that. I think that he was trying to let Lori know what was going on.

By his somber tone and telling her that they were searching the property, I think that he was telling her they were in the backyard where the bodies were buried.

Then, by her saying, "Are they seizing any property...again...? She was trying to find out if they found the bodies.

That's just my speculation of the unsaid meaning of the conversation.

 

[indicolite22]

Anyone know where Prior was going by insinuating that MG and Tylee didn't get along? How is that relevant to the case?

 

[kshultz06082]

Tylee's phone was at Chad's!?

WHAT????? I missed that!

I'm not terribly heartbroken that I am going to have to rewatch Agent Daniel's testimony. Darn.

Jmo

 

[kshultz06082]

He finished describing each layer, noting there was deliberation in the way the stones and the thin boards were placed. He described using a razor blade to cut through first the black plastic then the white which revealed human hair. He ordered his team to complete the excavation, and the body s turned over to the coroner.
Then they move back to the pet burial area, where he has an anthropologist assigned. They unearth two(?) animals. They have a backhoe remove ~2 feet of soil in a 10x10 area. They find two vertebrae which the anthropologist cannot immediately identify as human.

Thank you!

 

[indicolite22]

There was another insinuation by Chad's attorney that MG's son was lying to police as well about JJ. IMO MG was very nervous for parts of the cross examination, but when she was falsely accused she got angry.

 

[BUF]

Anyone know where Prior was going by insinuating that MG and Tylee didn't get along? How is that relevant to the case?

I’m curious about this too if anyone can please explain.

Surely he wasn’t trying to insinuate that she had anything to do with Tylee’s demise.

 

[BobLive]

Sounds like a teens phone by the description

That's what I thought, too, so it was probably LVD's! (She had Tylee's in Hawaii.) It could be TD's, IMO

 

[kshultz06082]

from memory; surveyed the area. Could tell there was a burr surrounded by dense vegetaton. On top the the burr the vegetation was less pronounced. Took away the top layer to get a better lay of the land and to confirm that the area looked like a grave. Removed next layer to reveal stones peaking through the dirt. Stones laid in an organised manner (e.g. by human hand). Stones removed to reveal board. I hope I didn't forget anything.

Thank you to everyone that has caught me up. I sincerely appreciate it even if I hate "liking" the posts.

Definitely sending all my love and prayers to the children's loved ones. This has got to be excruciating for them.

JMO

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Anyone know where Prior was going by insinuating that MG and Tylee didn't get along? How is that relevant to the case?

I think that it is part of the plan to blame everything on Alex and Lori with Melanie possibly covering for her...You know, since they are as close as "sisters."

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Chad: I love you so much. Lori: Ok, I love you. Should I try to call you later? Chad: Um, I don't know......I love you. Talk soon Lori: Ok, baby. I love you.

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

I don't know why that reporter would even post if she coudnt do it correctly. Incorrect and missing parts of the call. He clearly says "I'll answer.. If I can.

 

[BobLive]

I’m curious about this too if anyone can please explain.

Was that another attempt to throw her under the bus, if MG admitted she didn't really like TR? MOO