Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #51

[Kimmer]

But why kill them? Why not just give them away? Abandon them? Anything? Why kill them, duct tape them and burn them? These are people who think that they are Christians?

So they could continue to get death benefits for Tylees fathers death and the same for JJ he was getting money from Charles murder. So with no kids to use the money on she had it all to herself and since she was not employed I'm guessing she had food stamps for both of them also.

I don’t know that it’s them that removed the memorial. But if it is they just don’t get it. Still. You’d think they’d show a little humility, horror and/or empathy. Anything other than annoyance at their inconvenience. And perhaps they have to those close to them. But we’ve never seen it. As far as I can recall, not even once. Save possibly for the remarks Garth made (while smiling) on moving day.

Even if they believe their father is 100% innocent it would not hurt anyone’s case to have them express horror that two innocent children lost their life and were savagely disposed of in the backyard of their very own childhood home. I like to think if Tammy were still alive she at least would display some humanity. I wonder if she’d be proud of them now.

ETA: I know several posters close to the family have asked that we be sympathetic and I get that this is hard for them. But come on, they don’t appear to even be trying to behave like they give a damn. Until they do or someone can explain why they don’t (other than this is upsetting them) my sympathy is reserved for victim family members that clearly care.

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[Forever Young]

I think because it's easier, that the green tub seen carried out of the storage place AC and LVd were videoed and a green tub was pictured in the back of AC's truck is a good start of the size of the tub. Probably 3' by 2' max. The melted bucket possibly? If it's that size, it sounds like Tylee was transported already dismembered possibly? (I hope not) jmo

I don't think it has been proven that she left Yellowstone alive. I keep thinking about that.

 

[Clair Louise]

So they could continue to get death benefits for Tylees fathers death and the same for JJ he was getting money from Charles murder. So with no kids to use the money on she had it all to herself and since she was not employed I'm guessing she had food stamps for both of them also.

And these are Bible verse people?

 

[fuzzybutter]

I am sure they will be able to find the application. I just did a light search, but all I get are pages and pages of prelim stuff. It was before he was arrested and he was still visiting her in jail everyday. Because I remember thinking Lori would never live in a trailer, but she won’t get out so it’s a moot point.

Replying to myself, I found a reference in a source we don’t cite here, that on 3/27/20, Justin Lum reported on the trailer plan. I will keep looking for the actual article.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

And these are Bible verse people?

They were not quoting the Bible.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I don’t know that it’s them that removed the memorial. But if it is they just don’t get it. Still. You’d think they’d show a little humility, horror and/or empathy. Anything other than annoyance at their inconvenience. And perhaps they have to those close to them. But we’ve never seen it. As far as I can recall, not even once. Save possibly for the remarks Garth made (while smiling) on moving day.

Even if they believe their father is 100% innocent it would not hurt anyone’s case to have them express horror that two innocent children lost their life and were savagely disposed of in the backyard of their very own childhood home. I like to think if Tammy were still alive she at least would display some humanity. I wonder if she’d be proud of them now.

ETA: I know several posters close to the family have asked that we be sympathetic and I get that this is hard for them. But come on, they don’t appear to even be trying to behave like they give a damn. Until they do or someone can explain why they don’t (other than this is upsetting them) my sympathy is reserved for victim family members that clearly care.

Chad’s kids owe us nothing. They do not need to act in any manner that you or anyone else thinks is correct. They had absolutely nothing to do with any of the murders. Their father has completely destroyed the world as they knew it. They may never totally recover. It is none of our business how they cope with this. We have no idea what it is like to be in their shoes. We are the ones who should have empathy for them, not anger. Misplaced anger like this will eat you alive.

That house is not any Daybell’s childhood home. They moved there from Utah in 2015. Garth was in high school and Emma was at BYU. The rest were older and out of the house at that time.

Tammy would treat them with understanding, caring and compassion. She would try to ease their tremendous pain. I highly doubt she would be thinking about pride or Internet stranger’s opinions and expectations.

 

[pizzaman12]

The memorial didn't disappear overnight. It was there just a few hours ago...

This hurts. I'm sorry Colby. I wish I could have known and stopped this from happening.

It is awful. I agree. I’m hoping some plans for a more permanent memorial, even if it’s just dedicated on their behalf, can be secured.

I don’t know that it’s them that removed the memorial. But if it is they just don’t get it. Still. You’d think they’d show a little humility, horror and/or empathy. Anything other than annoyance at their inconvenience. And perhaps they have to those close to them. But we’ve never seen it. As far as I can recall, not even once. Save possibly for the remarks Garth made (while smiling) on moving day.

Even if they believe their father is 100% innocent it would not hurt anyone’s case to have them express horror that two innocent children lost their life and were savagely disposed of in the backyard of their very own childhood home. I like to think if Tammy were still alive she at least would display some humanity. I wonder if she’d be proud of them now.

ETA: I know several posters close to the family have asked that we be sympathetic and I get that this is hard for them. But come on, they don’t appear to even be trying to behave like they give a damn. Until they do or someone can explain why they don’t (other than this is upsetting them) my sympathy is reserved for victim family members that clearly care.

I’m a couple pages back so I’m not sure where my response will actually fall and I’m sure it’s my longest ever.

Personally, I hope someone grabbed the stuff and got it to safe keeping (which I don’t think is the case) but I’ll I disagree on numerous levels regarding the rest.

I've felt like this the moment Emma went to the property after the kids were found. People were calling her crazy for wanting to live there, etc. Ok. What if that’s the last place she remembered normalcy in her life. What if that it brings her good thought about being there with her mother? The fact is we don’t know and I think it’s insane to sit around and act like any of us know what you’d really act like when something of this magnitude is literally your life every second…every day.

Why take down the memorial? Not to sound like a jerk but why not? I’ve actually felt like whoever has been living there has been accommodating in letting this continue and let people grieve and show their support (on their property). I can’t imagine grabbing a cup of coffee in the morning and looking out the window every day to see thousands of people parading near/on your property. I find it amazing that they kept it up as long as they did (because I don’t think I would have). Say it was the kids that took it down. Would it matter to you if those kids hated their dad and didn’t’ want to see anything in relation to this case? I know there are plenty WS out of staters who have visited to pay your respects (which is awesome as well) but it’s not their responsibility to maintain some driveby memorial on their own property so you can pay your respects.

I’m not defending LV, CD, AC, MG, DW, Z-, M, I and others. However, there are victims besides TR & JJ in this ordeal and those include family and friends that were not involved.

I find the removal of the items saddening but also feel like it has to pass. There was something about these to kids that was awesome and gained an insane amount of support locally/nationwide and internationally for a reason. These kids will not be forgotten!

@SleuthD-o-doubleg Good stuff if you can find a more permanent placement of a memorial. It's obviously a small town but with a connection to this case that will be unmatched. Keep us updated as I know I'd be interested in supporting

 

[pizzaman12]

Chad’s kids owe us nothing. They do not need to act in any manner that you or anyone else thinks is correct. They had absolutely nothing to do with any of the murders. Their father has completely destroyed the world as they knew it. They may never totally recover. It is none of our business how they cope with this. We have no idea what it is like to be in their shoes. We are the ones who should have empathy for them, not anger. Misplaced anger like this will eat you alive.

That house is not any Daybell’s childhood home. They moved there from Utah in 2015. Garth was in high school and Emma was at BYU. The rest were older and out of the house at that time.

Tammy would treat them with understanding, caring and compassion. She would try to ease their tremendous pain. I highly doubt she would be thinking about pride or Internet stranger’s opinions and expectations.

Agreed and thanks for sharing!

 

[RickshawFan]

I don't think it has been proven that she left Yellowstone alive. I keep thinking about that.

I agree. There’s just something missing for me in the current version of the story.
There’s no way they would have dismembered a body in one of those apartments. There would have been blood everywhere.
I think they went to Yellowstone for an ulterior reason, not to sightsee. I don’t see LV being into the outdoors or nature at all.
From Alex’s phone, In the probable cause document, we have a timeline in Yellowstone. There don’t seem to be timing gaps after the photo. But maybe after they left West Yellowstone.

 

[longtimereader]

It just hurts that Colby had to experience this.

ETA: I had hoped it would have remained longer. Just driving slowly by the memorial helped me to feel the love that people had for these two children and woman that they had never met. People from around the world sending cards and flowers to remember them.

It could have been removed in a much more compassionate way. For example, have a nuetral party remove it and box it up neatly and offer it to CR and Woodcocks. It could be displayed elsewhere until they have a final resting place. Maybe because they already feel hated by the public, they figured it didn't matter if they handled it differently. Can someone create a virtual memorial that can be added to and visited? Then their loved ones could see it forever.

 

[Colorado303]

I’m a couple pages back so I’m not sure where my response will actually fall and I’m sure it’s my longest ever.

Personally, I hope someone grabbed the stuff and got it to safe keeping (which I don’t think is the case) but I’ll I disagree on numerous levels regarding the rest.

I've felt like this the moment Emma went to the property after the kids were found. People were calling her crazy for wanting to live there, etc. Ok. What if that’s the last place she remembered normalcy in her life. What if that it brings her good thought about being there with her mother? The fact is we don’t know and I think it’s insane to sit around and act like any of us know what you’d really act like when something of this magnitude is literally your life every second…every day.

Why take down the memorial? Not to sound like a jerk but why not? I’ve actually felt like whoever has been living there has been accommodating in letting this continue and let people grieve and show their support (on their property). I can’t imagine grabbing a cup of coffee in the morning and looking out the window every day to see thousands of people parading near/on your property. I find it amazing that they kept it up as long as they did (because I don’t think I would have). Say it was the kids that took it down. Would it matter to you if those kids hated their dad and didn’t’ want to see anything in relation to this case? I know there are plenty WS out of staters who have visited to pay your respects (which is awesome as well) but it’s not their responsibility to maintain some driveby memorial on their own property so you can pay your respects.

I’m not defending LV, CD, AC, MG, DW, Z-, M, I and others. However, there are victims besides TR & JJ in this ordeal and those include family and friends that were not involved.

I find the removal of the items saddening but also feel like it has to pass. There was something about these to kids that was awesome and gained an insane amount of support locally/nationwide and internationally for a reason. These kids will not be forgotten!

@SleuthD-o-doubleg Good stuff if you can find a more permanent placement of a memorial. It's obviously a small town but with a connection to this case that will be unmatched. Keep us updated as I know I'd be interested in supporting

I don’t have a problem w/anyone removing the memorial. My issue is that it apparently was removed without the children’s family being informed. It sounds like they didn’t know it was being removed or what was done with the items themselves. For many surviving victims, the cards, photos and teddy bears left behind are precious items to be cherished forever. Some even donate them to needy children as a way to keep their loved ones memory alive.

Removing a memorial as if it were trash to be disposed of, if in fact that’s what happened and I don’t know that is is, would be unthinkable to me.

 

[indicolite22]

I guess I am not getting worked up over what happens with current charges or even with Charles' case because I feel there is no doubt murder charges will be brought and they will both be convicted. I also believe they may be charged with Tammy & Alex's deaths. I understand the jury will only see a fraction of what we see and know, but there is so much yet to be seen. We know that Melani P will be called and probably Zulema. I believe we have not heard about the digital evidence from Lori and Chad's devices because they are saving that for the murder charges. I'm am also against the death penalty because I believe living with what you have done is far more torture than just getting it over with. But, with the murders in Lori's wake, you cannot convince that she isn't a threat to society. But the plea deal situation is a process and a game that you have to play. The biggest hurdle to a plea is that Lori will never, ever concede any of it was her fault. I would not be surprised if she went for an Alford plea just to say she never plead guilty.

We don't have an idea how much ZP knew about the four murders before Alex's death. Nothing that we know of, apart from the cult membership, connects her to Chad and Lori's actions.
IMO MBP knew or suspected that the children were dead at least by the time she went to Hawaii with Lori (in October). Her lies are too obvious for her to be a credible witness. I expect her not to recall anything on the witness stand.

 

[indicolite22]

If Lori's belief system can be taken at face value, she believed that because Tylee and JJ were "zombies," killing them released their true spirits from some sort of limbo, allowing them to take their place in whatever paradise she envisioned, be it Celestial Kingdom or something else (Lololand?) she'd dreamed up. Her reaction to Charles' death may have been motivated by the same thing; i.e., "Wheeee, he's happy now!" None of which exonerates her, of course. It may, however, explain a bit of her bizarre behavior.

Except that she weaseled her way back to Charles in April. He temporarily stopped being a zombie, because she needed to get his finances in order. At that time he thought that her going off the rails in January was a misunderstanding. Not saying that she didn't believe in crazy things, but (IMO) Lori's motivation was primarily financial. She stood to gain from every death, including the children's.

 

[indicolite22]

But that would still have the issue of the ground being disturbed by the digging. In this case, it would be very helpful if the jury can actually go to the area and see the space. Where the burial space is, in relationship to the house. The access to the area, if it is possible to drive a truck to the area, without the notice of the homeowner.

I'd also be interested in whether a fire and/or digging could bee seen from the road. How many cars have passed by in the 2-3 hours on the Monday morning when Alex was there? Would a bonfire obscure the view? How tall was the grass in the backyard?

 

[indicolite22]

I believe the bucket was relatively small, found under Tylee's skull. What a horrible thing to read (now type), let alone see. I'm so glad I'm in no jury pool that could make me one day have to.

Warning-graphic
I don't think the size of the bucket was given. The skull was found next to it and the mandible with some teeth next to the skull (according to a court testimony). All were at the bottom of the grave.

 

[indicolite22]

Cover of darkness is my guess. I think the Graves were dug at night and the dead children delivered in the morning..god I hate what they have done.

It would have been risky, because Tammy was still alive and one of their sons lived there as well. There's no indication that Alex did the digging, so Chad could have snuck out at night.

 

[BeachSky]

This makes the most sense. Chad most likely still owns the property or at least holds the mortgage, so it was easy to get permission to do it. Whatever you think of Prior he is doing a competent job for his client. Prior wants to remove obvious reminders of happened on that land.

As I started typing this I remembered that before the kids were found, Chad was getting permits for a concrete slab, so he could put up a double wide in his backyard. LE would have jack hammered through the slab.

Makes me wonder if there is anyone else “missing“ that CD crossed paths with...?!I know Prior asked the detective why they did not dig up the entire yard.
Probably for the purpose of CDs raccoon -fun times- alibi.
Careful what you wish for there Mr Prior.
Technically, LE could go back in ...Who knows what transpired in that yard.
I still think the shallow graves were on purpose so CD could have easy access to keep working ( cut,burn)on destroying the bodies when he was only one home. JJ was prob next for the fire pit. Then possibly put all that ash & bone under the new slab ...or cart it off to different location.
What insane EVIL.

MOO

 

[GRT]

Well, don't you find that a bit strange that according the CR's tweet it has all disappeared overnight? I noticed so much water in the ditch, there. Around here, water doesn't tend to hang around in the ditches like that unless we just had a very heavy rain.

I would hazard a guess that it wasn't Colby who sent the video. It's odd, but in cases like this, sometimes folks get it into their heads to try and pass off something that isn't factual. JMOO

 

[GRT]

I understand the children of criminals seem to support them anyway.
But surely after that preliminary and hearing Chad lie about their mother on the phone call to Melanie, they would leave the memorial where it is. Is there no love left for the children who suffered and died on that property? IMO.

So many Many people have been hurt by CD and LD.

Love has a way of blinding people from seeing the dark side of their family members. I would guess that CD's children have visited him in jail, and if he's told them he's a victim of LV and Alex, they may still believe he's completely innocent.

For all we know, CD might have told his kids that Alex or LV asked if they could bury an expired pet in his pet cemetery and that he agreed--never knowing what Alex was really burying.

Watching CD's preliminary, I got the distinct sense that Prior is going to dump all of this on Alex and LV. ALL of it--even the murder of TD.

JMOO, but I think LV and her attorney decided to waive her prelim after seeing Prior setting her up to take the fall.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

JMO
One of my main beefs with MG is she continues to "fib" and downplay her knowledge of the events from watching all her interviews. It started back with the very first interview we saw her make with the media and it has continued. Not outright lies but definitely stretching the truth about how much she knew what was happening around her.

I am thankful she is cooperating now and will be a key witness but she needs to be totally honest and testify honestly with the truth and nothing but the truth, and not pretend she was oblivious to what was going on around her.

We can totally forgive her for being duped by those two fools but she needs to own that, admit that, and admit to herself that is what happened rather than trying to continue to stretch the truth which is what she is doing in some of the interviews.

That is where I am struggling with her. She needs to be very careful to testify 100% honestly or it will hurt the case. She did good in Chad's preliminary hearing. Hopefully she will do fine during the real trials too.
All JMO of course.

All things considered, she drops scripture and religious stuff when needed, just as Lori does.