Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #51

[Diddian]

The cell phone analysis of Tammy's phone?

We know that's usually the case, as a technical argument, but a jury would need something more than conjecture from an attorney to convince them someone else was texting Tammy pretending to be Chad, doing something on their property. As you said earlier, inferences can be drawn by the jury.

his phone,
in his own house,
texting his wife back and forth over the afternoon,
no police report from Tammy or Chad that someone had been in their pet cemetery and fire pit because Chad later denied it was him.

moo

I'd add:
Chad's absolutely desolate demeanor as he sits in the car in his driveway answering Lori's call when the Evidence Recovery Team is searching the areas where the burial sites are ultimately found on his property.

He knows what they are going to find.

 

[pizzaman12]

Just saw this from People - interesting...

Arizona Police Pursuing Criminal Case Against Lori Vallow in Death of Ex-Husband
Any findings would be sent to a local prosecutor, who still must decide whether charges would be filed, says a police spokesman August 10, 2020 03:08 PM

Arizona police are pursuing a case against Lori Vallow in connection with the death of her previous husband, at the same time that she faces conspiracy charges tied to the deaths of her two children.
The case against Lori in the July 2019 shooting of Charles Vallow could be sent to the prosecutor in as soon as four to six months, but may take longer, and could include a recommendation that she be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, Chandler police spokesman Sgt. Jason McClimans tells PEOPLE.
Lori always has been a person of interest in this investigation, McClimans said, even though it was determined that her brother, Alex Cox, admitted to pulling the trigger.
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More here:
Arizona Police Pursuing Criminal Case Against Lori Vallow in Death of Ex-Husband

Is this different than what was reported last week. I've read through and I didn't see anything new. Just not sure if I was overlooking something

 

[Nikynoo]

The cell phone analysis of Tammy's phone?

We know that's usually the case, as a technical argument, but a jury would need something more than conjecture from an attorney to convince them someone else was texting Tammy pretending to be Chad, doing something on their property. As you said earlier, inferences can be drawn by the jury.

his phone,
in his own house,
texting his wife back and forth over the afternoon,
no police report from Tammy or Chad that someone had been in their pet cemetery and fire pit because Chad later denied it was him.

moo

FBI Agent Dean did state that the content of that particular message was out of the ordinary when compared to other messages, which tended to be the humdrum workings of a marriage. I don't know whether this will grow legs with Prior, but anything is possible. I hope he does not look at these boards for ideas.

 

[Nikynoo]

Regarding DW and MG going with Chad and a realtor to look at a rural property not far from Chad's:

That news came out of nowhere to me. I just cannot see DW and MG having an interest in moving to Rexburg.

I wonder if Chad had proposed to DW an "investment" deal whereby DW purchases a property and builds a home (or moves a modular home onto the property) and whereby Chad and Lori would live as rent-paying tenants?

I am struggling to see how that particular meeting was relevant. Can someone explain please?

 

[Tortoise]

FBI Agent Dean did state that the content of that particular message was out of the ordinary when compared to other messages, which tended to be the humdrum workings of a marriage. I don't know whether this will grow legs with Prior, but anything is possible. I hope he does not look at these boards for ideas.

It doesn't add up to a cohesive defense. Unless Chad is going to say his phone disappeared that day and came back to him, and they never checked the yard after the texts to Tammy, to see if it was dug up.

I don't understand the worry here.

moo

 

[Tortoise]

I am struggling to see how that particular meeting was relevant. Can someone explain please?

In the context of the prelim I think JP's goal was to establish a record that MG has memory deficits. They both said different people were there that day but one of them has to be wrong unless different people came and went and they weren't all there at the same time to notice.

moo

 

[Diddian]

I am struggling to see how that particular meeting was relevant. Can someone explain please?

It's interesting to me because, if Chad HAD made such an investment proposal and DW agreed to look at the property but then refused the proposal, that proposal would have followed TR's demise by just short of 2 weeks and the defeat of that plan would have preceded JJ's demise by a day or days. It would also have preceded the attempted shooting of TD by less than 2 weeks and her actual death by 4 weeks.

That could be irrelevant, or it could be significant. CD and Lori had already lost an expected $1 million. With TR's hidden demise, Lori gained whatever amounts were still due TR from the funds set aside for TR by JAR and the balance of the life insurance proceeds due TR on JAR's life (the double-dip that MAY have motivated a murder of JAR). If CD hoped to get funding through DW and that hope was defeated, there might have been more motivation to kill TD to get those insurance proceeds and to kill and conceal JJ so as to gain the income related to him without any of the associated costs of his caretaking.

ETA: the part about the motivation to murder JAR

 

[Forever Young]

Do we know where Lori or Melaniece were that morning? If there’s not proof they were elsewhere Chad could claim one of them sent the text. Not saying I believe it. Not saying it’s a smart defense. I don’t and it’s not. Just seems to me Prior is considering that defense.

jmo

I think it is more likely that what Prior was going for here is not that Chad did not send the text message, but rather where was Chad when the message was sent. Will his cell phone show he was at the burial sites?

Granted an easy way out would be if he had left his phone in the house that morning. Still, due to the stated accuracy of the pings showing a phone's location, his phone may show that his phone, at least, was not at the location of the burials on the mornings and times in question, and thus will not "prove" that he participated in the mutilation and burials.

 

[Boxer]

Source?

You are right, I slipped this is information from outside MSM. I am requesting it be removed.

 

[Redvines86]

I believe she was very serious about her LDS religion, at the core (but I did not say devout).

I just can't understand how her family could even accept her as their own--given her constant marriages outside the Church. They never attended any of her weddings or anything. How DO devout multi-generational LDS parents even handle this?

I think her LDS faith was just like all the people in her life.......... She exploited them ALL for her personal gains. The Narcissist just knows no other way to survive.

I do not think her family was devout at all, given the way they dressed in formal photos and other things they have done, nothing has shown them to be a devout Mormon family. Quite the opposite really. MOO

 

[merrymary]

Before the hearing, having never seen or heard DW personally, I had a very different mental image of him. From things MG intimated about him he seemed to be the intelligent and very well reasoned type, able to convince her that she had been manipulated and deceived by Chad and Lori, point out scriptures that refuted their teachings, and convince her that she needed to go to the police with what she knew.

However, during his testimony I saw a completely different person. He seemed rather naive, unknowing and inexperienced with manipulation and deception (e.g. JP seemed to be taking advantage of him and carefully manipulating him to get the testimony he wanted), and rather child-like. He also seemed to struggle with understanding what was said or being asked of him. It was clear he had a hearing impairment, and I'm certain that had an influence, but it also seemed like it went beyond that, as though he was also struggling with somewhat diminished mental faculties.

Let me be clear, I don't say any of this to be mean or judgemental, just that he came across as having some challenges he is dealing with. I say this because I believe Chad also saw his weaknesses and tried to take advantage of them himself. I don't know how much or to what extent, but he had been pulled in to this group to some degree and Chad had at least tried to convince him to buy the property nearby. I believe Chad is still trying to exercise an influence over him. At the beginning of JP's cross examination you can see Chad look at DW and give a couple of slight nods of the head, as if encouraging him. Later, when JP asks if there are three bedrooms in Lori's townhome, you again see Chad look up at DW, smile, and give a barely perceptible nod or two, whereupon DW answers "yes" and Chad looks down again. A bit later and JP asks DW if he is aware of Chad's writings, and Chad again makes eye contact with him and nods, DW asks JP to repeat the question and as he does so Chad breaks eye contact to look downward and tilts his head upward in an apparent look of grandiose piety. And then at the end when JP thanked him Chad again looked at DW and nodded his head vigorously in approval.

I don't know if it's all some kind of coaching, influencing effort, manipulation, attempt at befriending him like "You did good and I'm on your side" type of thing, or what, but it did strike me as noteworthy as I can't recall observing Chad doing the like with any other witnesses. JMO.

I totally hear what you are saying. My first impression however, is that he was nervous. Alot of that "struggle" seemed to calm down further into his testimony. MOO

 

[Forever Young]

I wouldn't call Chad a victim to Lori's charms. It was him who told her almost immediately that they were married in a previous life (he tried the same trick on other women before her). He made up the history of her 21 previous lives and put her on the pedestal as someone important in the past and in the future. He evaluated her family according to light/darkness and he sent her a list of things to accomplish as a couple with a spiritual calling. I don't see Lori in the driver's seat.

I respect your opinion, but I, on the other hand, do not see anyone dominating Lori.

It doesn't fit in with the way she was able to manipulate AC into attacking JR, when it was surely on Lori's word alone that he did that because of made up allegations of sexual abuse of CR and TR.

Same for CV and the assault on the lawyer's wife in the parking lot, and the escalated custody battle with his ex-wife, where a social worker said the wart treatment on their son appeared to be Munchausen by proxy, the same DX that has been suspected for Lori's treatment of Tylee.

Unless something new is revealed, we don't see any of this type of behavior in Chad's background, and he was nowhere around when this happened. Lori has never shown a respect for the law, or the church. Nobody tells her what to do. IMO

 

[altojack]

He is a famous author in his circles. Giving readings in select livingrooms.

And that set the ball rolling for Lori. Hmmm, a famous author, lots of $$$$$.

Is that why she picked him for her next marriage.

Oh how wrong she was. He was a poor man $$$$ wise.

 

[Forever Young]

I would usually agree. However, on more than one occasion, the FBI agent, referred to the phone (I think its was Alex's) and not the person. e.g. Alex's phone was located at X, not Alex was located at x by his phone. This made me prick my ears up as to whether there was other evidence that placed Alex somewhere else.

Yes, or did Lori have a phone in AC's name? She seemed to not want anything in her own name, such as the apartments, and the storage unit. She used Tylee's phone instead of her own and burner phones, and she would be the one most likely to have access to AC's phone.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Thank you for this! I think it answers a question a lot of us have been grappling with.

Me too. Thanks Redvines.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes, or did Lori have a phone in AC's name? She seemed to not want anything in her own name, such as the apartments, and the storage unit. She used Tylee's phone instead of her own and burner phones, and she would be the one most likely to have access to AC's phone.

I imagine Lori had played out her lifestyle so long that her credit and reputation were long gone. She had to use Tylees phone, Charles credit cards, the Daybell name. She was a fake.

 

[lonetraveler]

This very fact makes me wonder if there wasn't something "ritualistic" about Tylee's death/dismemberment/dumping. Like they have to "be as naughty as they possibly can" to bring about the "highest exaltation" or some sort of twisted thinking like this. I have to wonder if Tylee didn't challenge LVD on her not being a god/goddess or at least Tylee not believing her Mom. The very thing that appears to bring out narcissistic rage type behaviors is when her lies are challenged. IIRC CV alluded to that in a letter/text/email that mentioned BB and her brother(?). IMO

I'm thinking that the two "exalted" ones came up with a vision that Tylee had to be sacrificed for their cause. I'm sure they came up with a fictional religious direction from God in order to justify sacrificing her. I guess it's just the way that she was murdered and disposed of that gives me these thoughts.

 

[lonetraveler]

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[lonetraveler]

Good times! At least until she found out she wasn’t getting the life insurance. Can you just imagine her psychotic rant after she got that news?

Now that's one video I would pay to watch!!!

 

[lonetraveler]

Good times! At least until she found out she wasn’t getting the life insurance. Can you just imagine her psychotic rant after she got that news?

Now that's one video I would pay to watch!!!