Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #52

[lacegrl130]

We just had a case in our town where a man met a woman online, murdered her and buried her on his property. He then lied to her family about the woman's whereabouts, then he left town. He was caught, the trial was only a few days and he was convicted. It seems if bodies are buried on your property, you run away and lie, you are probably going to be a major suspect. This man didn't even pretend to shoot a raccoon on the day she went missing.

I would think Chad and Lori's murder charges would be coming soon.

This is what I have thought all along!!

 

[GRT]

What are the chances that Lori will claim that she was being brainwashed by Chad?

Oh my! That's a scary thought but I can see it happening.

This scenario reminds me of Charles Manson and the Manson family--his followers committed the murders--but it was generally accepted the Manson brainwashed them. Like CD, Manson passed himself off as a heavenly entity--Jesus--in his case.

Did Alex and Lori really believe CD was a reincarnation of a different heavenly entity? From what CV told the police, it sure seemed like it.

Too much bothers me about all of this--like CV not being taken seriously about the death threats Lori said, like taking Alex's word for it that CV attacked him.

Now this. I'm not feeling too confident of the outcome today...

JMOO

 

[ajaylee]

AFAIK, none of us on this forum have ever had the misfortune to be involved with LVD.

All I can say is, she must be one charismatic character in person, to be able to sucker husbands, brother, and police so effectively.

I keep thinking of the images of LVD and CD on the beach in Hawaii. Looking at the images, it's hard to imagine CD had recently been involved in burying the remains of two children on his property.

 

[Forever Young]

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Three people in Fremont County have told me a woman approached them yesterday asking if they would do a survey. The woman said she was hired by an anonymous firm in Boise and asked if they had heard of the Daybell case, if they thought Chad and Lori were guilty and if anything might change their minds during a trial. It's no secret the defense attorneys have mentioned possibly changing venues and this could be part of their strategy. Mark Means declined to comment about the surveys - but he and John Prior have 60 days from the time their clients are arraigned to request a change of venue. Chad is scheduled to be arraigned Friday, Lori is scheduled for Aug. 27.

My first thought went back to RW hiring the PR firm, and I thought the article said the firm was from Boise.

I wonder if the state is paying for this. It could be used as evidence in a change of venue motion, and have to be shared with the other side.

 

[TexieLouWho21]

Let's not get discouraged Websleuths family. These two will be behind bars wearing stripes for a very, very long time. Just look at all the evidence we as the public have. Now think of how much evidence LE must have. They must be drowning in a sea of paperwork and evidence. These two nit-wits are in jail. Thank goodness. That is exactly where they belong. They have a string of death associated with them. They will not see the outside. LE is building an air tight case. Nobody wants these two free to kill again. Nobody wants to see this case turned into another OJ or Casey Anthony case. They are putting together a case of a lifetime here. This case will set the tone for many cases to come. We all know TD autopsy could take up to a year. They are have so much evidence to go over on the children autopsies also. I dont think they will offer these two plea deals. They lie so much how can anyone trust anything they say? Really with all the evidence ,I'm sure LE has, why would they? Just sit tight. Try not to get too discouraged. I have to tell myself this too. Because I want them slapped with murder charges and in prison now too.

 

[indicolite22]

AFAIK, none of us on this forum have ever had the misfortune to be involved with LVD.

All I can say is, she must be one charismatic character in person, to be able to sucker husbands, brother, and police so effectively.

I keep thinking of the images of LVD and CD on the beach in Hawaii. Looking at the images, it's hard to imagine CD had recently been involved in burying the remains of two children on his property.

All I see when looking at their happy wedding pictures now is two cold blooded murderers.

 

[Diddian]

Nate Eaton's June 8 BYU-I radio interview was mentioned here before, but this part has not been discussed.
Apparently MG was ready to talk to Nate back in February, but having seen her name mentioned in a news report a day before the interview spooked her and she cancelled. When she did the interview months later she said she did not want the LDS church to look bad or speak ill of Lori's family. She was also uncomfortable sharing on camera what Chad and Lori did in the temple.

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Thank you for providing that link. I had missed it when it was mentioned before.

Interesting about MG being uncomfortable sharing on camera what Chad and Lori did in the temple. If MG was privy to that information, one can only assume trusted others in the closely linked group around Chad and Lori must have known. I assume what Chad and Lori did must have violated the terms of their temple privileges.

Also interesting that MG said she had witnessed a "secret combination" between Chad and Lori and I wonder if that secret combination MG witnessed included others. Depending on what they knew about planned murders/disappearances and/or fraud against insurance providers and how they acted in relation to what they knew, that could make those others fellow conspirators.

 

[RickshawFan]

I’ve considered that Lori and Alex took the kids to Yellowstone with a plan to kill one or both of them there, then had to abort the plan for some reason. If their original plan was to kill them there, I’m comfortable assuming that they planned to do so because they thought it was a good place to leave their bodies. Why else?

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I betcha they saw all those signs every few feet at Yellowstone referencing the presence of dangerous animals. You know, the bison, wolves, grizzlies, bunnies. As in, "don't go close, don't feed them, stay on the pathway, put trash in bear-proof containers, since if you don't they're guaranteed to get in the trash and then forever after will be associated with humans, and almost certainly will want to eat you up, LVD, AxC, and CD, the moment you're not expecting it. Lunch. EZPZ. Suddenly and out of the blue, no matter where you go, but especially even if you are merely thinking about stepping off the trail. They will know. That bison has his eyeballs fixed on you already. He knows what you're up to. He will get in your face, impale you on those evil-horn thingies, and stomp you to death with those monster hooves. See those wolves over there? Don't turn your back, 'cos they'll tear you to bits and then run off with your arms hanging from their bloody jaws. And don't forget, grizzlies are very protective of their young. They will kill to protect them. Even a drop of blood on those kids of yours, they'll smell it, hunt you down, gouge your face, throttle you with their 2 feet-long claws, and turn you into mincemeat."
These are people who are so afraid of a raccoon, they'll get out a gun and shoot it, no matter it wasn't bothering anything on their property, just making its way along the fence.

So, yeah, not a chance they'd have survived those wildlife protocol signs in Yellowstone.

I agree Plan A was to do something in Yellowstone—maybe even to both of the kids—but they got spooked. I really can't see them giving Tylee a trip as a "birthday treat" from the goodness of their hearts. LVD had no space for that kind of treat-giving or even having a heart.

I have written the above in speculative mode, and I am not quoting Yellowstone signs exactly.

 

[nyvictoria]

I think that is why, if the rumor is true, he was shopping for a mobile home trailer.. He could put the trailer directly on top of the burial site and nobody would think to look underneath it...

That proves what a dumb criminal he/they are. It would be like installing a big neon flashing sign that says LOOK HERE!

 

[Dana Skully]

Here is a good news article I found posted yesterday!

Chad and Lori Daybell are awaiting their trials. Here's what could happen

 

[ajaylee]

Thank you for providing that link. I had missed it when it was mentioned before.

Interesting about MG being uncomfortable sharing on camera what Chad and Lori did in the temple. If MG was privy to that information, one can only assume trusted others in the closely linked group around Chad and Lori must have known. I assume what Chad and Lori did must have violated the terms of their temple privileges.

Also interesting that MG said she had witnessed a "secret combination" between Chad and Lori and I wonder if that secret combination MG witnessed included others. Depending on what they knew about planned murders/disappearances and/or fraud against insurance providers and how they acted in relation to what they knew, that could make those others fellow conspirators.

I thought MG's discomfort was because she was reluctant to publicly discuss private temple matters. The many LDS folks I've known over the years would never have discussed temple matters - details of a temple wedding, for example - with or around non-LDSers.

 

[Forever Young]

A few points:

Totally agree with you when you say "...these specific ideas are perhaps a little more prevalent..." A lot of the terminology, apart from the zombie stuff, is pretty standard, as it stems from within mainstream Mormonism and is picked up and often expanded upon by Mormon splinter groups.

One of these terms is "Church of the Firstborn." A lot of splinter groups (whether based on polygamy or returning to Joseph Smith/Brigham Young's so-called original teachings, on the one hand, or more future/less polygamy oriented, on the other hand) use this term because it is based in mainstream Mormonism while simultaneously being not fully articulated within everyday mainstream Mormon practice and also seeming to promise a smaller, more select/faithful group within the larger Mormon movement.

There are lots of possible splinter groups from which Chad/others in our case here could have drawn inspiration. Without knowing any specifics about Chad's relationship to this particular case (the Harmston group), it does seem reasonable think Chad could have had familiarity with them from the past. At the same time, I would be surprised if there's anything in the Harmston group that gives us the key to understanding something about Chad's beliefs that we don't already know. While many LDS splinter groups share some terminological and belief similarity (in part because they're splintering from the same source), from what (admittedly modest amount) I know about the Harmston group, I don't think there are any extra close connections between them (compared to other LDS splinter groups) and Chad's group.

(Just my thoughts; I'm not fully enough versed on the Harmston group to fully know. I could be proven wrong in my belief that the connections are a little more superficial than deep.)

As I thought more about this, I think it would have been impossible for Chad not to have had some exposure to this group. Chad and Tammy did choose to get married there, and I wonder if this is where they went when they wanted to attend Temple?

The Harmston group had a store-front ministry downtown, and handed out pamphlets on their positions concerning why they disagreed with the corporate church that had recently implemented changes to the endowment ceremony .

I believe the group was made up of ex'ed Mormons. They received some national news coverage in the 1990s, so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a topic of conversation in the Daybell household back in the day.

And there is a lot of local folklore about Manti being the place of "gathering". DW in his visionary talk on Youtube mentions this area as the Sanpete Valley.

Something else, of interest to me, is the fact that Manti is centrally located in Utah, almost dead center. Almost due north is Springville, and due north again is Rexburg.

This might strike some as meaningless, and maybe it is. It is just something I remembered about old Nauvoo, when Joseph Smith was first setting up his plan for satellite villages that would make up the spokes on a wheel, with Nauvoo as the hub.

Maybe this is a little woo-woo, but how would you go about gathering 144,000 individuals, if you really wanted to do that?

Utah is well-known for pyramid schemes, or multi-level marketing. A very simple construct where a large mass are gathered under one person at the top.

I don't think Chad is anywhere near a leader if such a cult really does exist. But I do wonder what prompted Chad to move from Springville to Rexburg. They called themselves "gatherers".

 

[ajaylee]

Snipped for focus....
I betcha they saw all those signs every few feet at Yellowstone referencing the presence of dangerous animals. You know, the bison, wolves, grizzlies, bunnies. As in, "don't go close, don't feed them, stay on the pathway, put trash in bear-proof containers, since if you don't they're guaranteed to get in the trash and then forever after will be associated with humans, and almost certainly will want to eat you up, LVD, AxC, and CD, the moment you're not expecting it. Lunch. EZPZ. Suddenly and out of the blue, no matter where you go, but especially even if you are merely thinking about stepping off the trail. They will know. That bison has his eyeballs fixed on you already. He knows what you're up to. He will get in your face, impale you on those evil-horn thingies, and stomp you to death with those monster hooves. See those wolves over there? Don't turn your back, 'cos they'll tear you to bits and then run off with your arms hanging from their bloody jaws. And don't forget, grizzlies are very protective of their young. They will kill to protect them. Even a drop of blood on those kids of yours, they'll smell it, hunt you down, gouge your face, throttle you with their 2 feet-long claws, and turn you into mincemeat."
These are people who are so afraid of a raccoon, they'll get out a gun and shoot it, no matter it wasn't bothering anything on their property, just making its way along the fence.

So, yeah, not a chance they'd have survived those wildlife protocol signs in Yellowstone.

I agree Plan A was to do something in Yellowstone—maybe even to both of the kids—but they got spooked. I really can't see them giving Tylee a trip as a "birthday treat" from the goodness of their hearts. LVD had no space for that kind of treat-giving or even having a heart.

I have written the above in speculative mode, and I am not quoting Yellowstone signs exactly.

I think there was a possibility that they thought it would be easy to push one of the kids into a hot pool - perhaps one of the particularly acidic ones. IIRC, within the last couple years a hiker who was where he shouldn't have been slipped into a pool and there was nothing left to retrieve by the time help was summoned. They might have thought it would be easy to stage an 'accident' - JJ falls into a boiling pool, Tylee jumps in to save him, and both kids die.

Anyone who has actually been to Yellowstone would realize how difficult it would actually be to pull something like that off.

 

[Boxer]

The longer this continues without murder charges, the less I am convinced any are forthcoming.

They literally could have cult friends gumming up the wheels of justice in Idaho.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

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Case Information

CR22-20-0838 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.

• 08/17/2020 Felony Information Filed
  
  Comment
  VALLOW. Prosecuting Attorney Information
  
  
• 08/17/2020 Request for Discovery
  
  Comment
  VALLOW. Discovery Req
  
  
• 08/17/2020 Motion
  
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  Motion for Extension of Time to File Motion for Transfer of Trial Pursuant to I.C.R. 21
  
  
• 08/17/2020 Request for Discovery
  
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  Request for Discovery

 

[Ohmeohmy]

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Case Information

CR22-20-0755 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Chad Guy Daybell Defendant.

• 08/17/2020 Felony Information Filed
  
  Comment
  DAYBELL. Prosecuting Attorney Information
  
  
• 08/17/2020 Request for Discovery
  
  Comment
  DAYBELL. Discovery Req
  
  
• 08/18/2020 Order
  
  Comment
  Re: Regarding Notice of Report Hearing and Livestreaming
  
  
• 08/21/2020 Arraignment - District Court
  
  Judicial Officer
  Boyce (District), Steven
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM

 

[JolietJake]

Let's not get discouraged Websleuths family. These two will be behind bars wearing stripes for a very, very long time. Just look at all the evidence we as the public have. Now think of how much evidence LE must have. They must be drowning in a sea of paperwork and evidence. These two nit-wits are in jail. Thank goodness. That is exactly where they belong. They have a string of death associated with them. They will not see the outside. LE is building an air tight case. Nobody wants these two free to kill again. Nobody wants to see this case turned into another OJ or Casey Anthony case. They are putting together a case of a lifetime here. This case will set the tone for many cases to come. We all know TD autopsy could take up to a year. They are have so much evidence to go over on the children autopsies also. I dont think they will offer these two plea deals. They lie so much how can anyone trust anything they say? Really with all the evidence ,I'm sure LE has, why would they? Just sit tight. Try not to get too discouraged. I have to tell myself this too. Because I want them slapped with murder charges and in prison now too.

BBM
I completely agree with your post and every day I'm hope to see the word that murder charges have been filed, but we have to wait as patiently as we can.

If this case was not as well publicized, perhaps the evidence shown so far would be enough to convict. However, this case has evolved into a nationaly known, high-profile and sensationalized case so they have to play it close to the vest and make it absolutely air tight.

LE said they have 28,000 pages of info from AxC's phone and/or computer and that's just one person. I can't imagine all the info that have to process from LVD's 60 phones, CD and TD's phones/computers, four autopsy reports, physical evidence found so far on and near the bodies, info about CV and JR, surveilance cameras, GPS tracking, several jurisdictions, perhaps MP, IP, ZP, and anything or anyone else connected with this case. This has to be a monumental task and with Covid it has to be that much harder. The FBI didn't hang out in Rexburg that long for nothing.

Hang in there, gang. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Redvines86]

As I thought more about this, I think it would have been impossible for Chad not to have had some exposure to this group. Chad and Tammy did choose to get married there, and I wonder if this is where they went when they wanted to attend Temple?

The Harmston group had a store-front ministry downtown, and handed out pamphlets on their positions concerning why they disagreed with the corporate church that had recently implemented changes to the endowment ceremony .

I believe the group was made up of ex'ed Mormons. They received some national news coverage in the 1990s, so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a topic of conversation in the Daybell household back in the day.

And there is a lot of local folklore about Manti being the place of "gathering". DW in his visionary talk on Youtube mentions this area as the Sanpete Valley.

Something else, of interest to me, is the fact that Manti is centrally located in Utah, almost dead center. Almost due north is Springville, and due north again is Rexburg.

This might strike some as meaningless, and maybe it is. It is just something I remembered about old Nauvoo, when Joseph Smith was first setting up his plan for satellite villages that would make up the spokes on a wheel, with Nauvoo as the hub.

Maybe this is a little woo-woo, but how would you go about gathering 144,000 individuals, if you really wanted to do that?

Utah is well-known for pyramid schemes, or multi-level marketing. A very simple construct where a large mass are gathered under one person at the top.

I don't think Chad is anywhere near a leader if such a cult really does exist. But I do wonder what prompted Chad to move from Springville to Rexburg. They called themselves "gatherers".

Just to share a bit of my personal experience. I have been to Manti at least a few times every year. I have family there, I have been to weddings there, I have driven through more times than I can count. I didn't know about the Harmston group until we discussed it here. Many people do get married there as the temple is especially pretty and it's good for photos, but then after if you live in Utah County as Chad and Tammy did, it would be a very unusual place to attend the temple as there are others much closer. I asked other people in my family if they'd heard of it, my sisters and a brother in law said they heard that there had been a weird group in Manti, didn't know they were called the Harmstons. It is also very possible to go to the Manti temple which is on the north end of town and never go on main street which is on the more southern end of town. Basically, it's very possible it wasn't a topic of discussion in the Daybell family, it wasn't in mine, and just sharing that it wasn't that big of a story at the time. MOO

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Jana Riess: Changing Mormon beliefs about — and preparations for — the end of the world
Jana Riess: Changing Mormon beliefs about — and preparations for — the end of the world

Updated: 15 hours ago
Christopher Blythe is a faculty research associate at the Neal A Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship at Brigham Young University. His new book, “Terrible Revolution: Latter-day Saints and the American Apocalypse,” has just been published by Oxford University Press, tracing Latter-day Saint beliefs in the end of the world from the religion’s beginnings to the present.

This interview is in two parts. Unless the world ends today, the second part will be posted tomorrow, focusing specifically on the apocalyptic beliefs of Chad and Lori Daybell. — JKR

 

[Forever Young]

Thank you for providing that link. I had missed it when it was mentioned before.

Interesting about MG being uncomfortable sharing on camera what Chad and Lori did in the temple. If MG was privy to that information, one can only assume trusted others in the closely linked group around Chad and Lori must have known. I assume what Chad and Lori did must have violated the terms of their temple privileges.

Also interesting that MG said she had witnessed a "secret combination" between Chad and Lori and I wonder if that secret combination MG witnessed included others. Depending on what they knew about planned murders/disappearances and/or fraud against insurance providers and how they acted in relation to what they knew, that could make those others fellow conspirators.

Bolded area focus:

According to historical legends, Temples can be the place of mystical experiences, such as visions of ancestors, deceased church leaders, and angels. It is also the place where a blood oath vow is taken regarding keeping the temple endowment ceremony secret, including the penalty for revealing it, is made.

The change to the wording and accompanying gestures of the penalty in 1990 is supposedly what prompted some breakaway groups to leave the mainstream church.

The term "secret combination" is forbidden by the Book of Mormon. As far as I can tell, it is a term specific to Mormons. DW states in his talk about his visions that he witnessed secret combinations between countries.

I think MG is correct that a secret combination existed between CD, AC, and LV. I wonder if they did not take a blood oath not disclose any circumstances regarding JJ and Tylee, or to always protect Lori. I wonder if AC may have broken an oath when he spoke to MG that JJ could not be found.

I also wonder if something like this happened with Tylee considering the condition of her remains, which has been noted by others to have seemed to be "overkill", and by others as "ritualistic".

MOO