Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #52

[mickey2942]

FOX 13 Investigates: LDS Church urges leaders to not participate in ‘any type of court case’

Really interesting. I have never seen anything like this before from the LDS church. Not with the Lafferty cases, or polygamist cases. Does this have to do indirectly to LVD and CD?

The timing is very coincidental.

And some really interesting comments. Especially from the former mayor of Salt Lake City. Wow.

 

[des2021]

https://twitter.com/AdamHerbets/status/1293676361291198464


Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets

FOX 13 INVESTIGATES - Tonight at 5:30, we take a look at this letter sent by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It states leaders should not involve themselves in any court case without speaking to the Church first.

https://twitter.com/AdamHerbets/status/1293676574361837568
This letter was sent the same day a judge ruled that Chad Daybell's case would move forward to trial. Some say the policy is unethical. Some say it's sound legal advice. Others say it borders on obstruction of justice, potentially impacting cases across the country.

https://twitter.com/AdamHerbets/status/1293687170922733569
A spokesperson for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints clarified a few questions regarding the policy. My question: "Does the Church discourage (involvement) after seeking permission, or is it just kind of a – 'Hey we’re just giving you a heads up?'" Response:




https://twitter.com/AdamHerbets/status/1293687571357134850

My follow up: "Sure, but if someone is subpoenaed because they believe they might have information related to a case, are they still going to be discouraged not to get involved?" Penrod: "Uhm, I can’t speak to that... They just don’t want the Church involved."

Could this be directed at Gabe Bonilla, the Bishop who was friends with Charles and Lori? The church knows that charges are going to be filed against Lori in Charles murder and I know Gabe has info. about Charles and Lori’s relationship towards the end of Charles life and all of the stuff Charles was worried about with Lori. I know we can not sleuth Gabe and have no intention of doing so, but because his name is on the list of “who’s who” in this case on page 1 of each thread I figured it’s okay to mention his name. MOO

 

[Boxer]

Ya know, if they had dumped her body at YNP, she would have never been found. Seriously.

Being so dumb as to think murder is the answer to your problems causes dumb decisions along the way.

 

[BeckyF]

FOX 13 Investigates: LDS Church urges leaders to not participate in ‘any type of court case’

Really interesting. I have never seen anything like this before from the LDS church. Not with the Lafferty cases, or polygamist cases. Does this have to do indirectly to LVD and CD?

The timing is very coincidental.

And some really interesting comments. Especially from the former mayor of Salt Lake City. Wow.

Hmmm. I wonder if this would be the case if these leaders were to receive a subpoena from the court to testify in a court case.

 

[Clair Louise]

Being so dumb as to think murder is the answer to your problems causes dumb decisions along the way.

Although, it seems to have worked for both of them until they thought that they were bulletproof and murdered children.

 

[Colorado303]

**Key players I am kinda keeping an eye one...

Family Court Case Information - Case History
Brandon Boudreaux
Melani Boudreaux
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
8/11/2020 RES - Response 8/12/2020
NOTE: RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH EXPERT FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMINATION OF MOTHER AND COUNTER MOTION FOR COMPREHENSIVE FAMILY EVALUATION

I think I just sprained my finger scrolling through

One possible (not necessarily plausible) explanation for Chad and Lori's desperate attempts to score big by attempting to murder BB for his insurance and then successfully murdering TD for hers was to pay an individual who murdered CV for hire, and who was threatening them for the fee.

If you look at the satellite images of that neighborhood, the murder house backs up on an empty area that connects with a bunch of streets that aren't accessible from the gated community. A perp could park on one of those, hop the wall to the back yard of the murder house without being seen by a neighbor, do the deed, hop back and drive away. It's almost a perfect setting for a contract killing.

All speculation on my part, of course.

If she was going to hire someone why wouldn’t she make sure she, Alex, Tylee and JJ were miles away with rock solid alibis? Lori is all about money, and giving large sums away to have something done that she or Alex could do in two minutes themselves doesn’t seem like something she would do.

 

[887sMtreme]

Hmmm. I wonder if this would be the case if these leaders were to receive a subpoena from the court to testify in a court case.

That would be an interesting test of the Church’s commitment to obeying the law of the land.

 

[mrjitty]

That ship sailed when he let dead kids get buried in his backyard.

Well by "more minor" i mean an accessory after the fact

I agree it is difficult to lay out a positive version that can really explain how the kids came to buried there despite him not being involved in the actual murders, but by throwing mud at the wall, it might be possible to create a reasonable doubt as to whether he was an active party to the entire conspiracy, or 'just' helped Alex cover up the crime.

In that regard a lot is going to depend on how the State ends up framing the final set of charges (e.g. does murder drop)

At the moment, it looks more like the State is running with a theory of the case that AC was the primary killer and the others part of the criminal conspiracy both before and after the fact.

 

[salberg7]

I am 100% in the thought group that the Daybell children should be left alone. However, in light of what they now know their father was possibly involved in....WHY would you knowingly allow this? I mean "in the cover of night" even. Why?

Is it that difficult or asking too much to show some respect for the deceased children?

There are only two realistic options for who could have done this; either the hired defense or the Daybell children. Whomever did this, chose to go the way of shady and disrespect to the memory of the children who were found buried on their property.

There is a proper way of doing certain things.... it infuriates me that they refuse to do so. Not to score points with the general public, but purely out of respect to these two innocent murdered children.

I say cut Emma and family some slack over removing the memorial. We don’t know if they were advised by CD’s attorney to do so, or what their reasoning was. I understand many think it was tacky to remove it. I feel the decision was made for sound reason. I mean, I’ve read people from all over the country have visited that site. They could have unstable folks come with nefarious intent. Plus the suspect is their father - the family may be absolutely crushed emotionally over all this. They have a right to privacy as well.
I personally wish they would set up a memorial at the Madison County jail preferably somewhere Lori V can see out her cell “window”.

 

[salberg7]

I'm not convinved it was Alex that did the shooting.

I am interested in your rationale about Alex not being the shooter.

I agree with the Woodcocks that Charles WAS ambushed.

The detectives arriving at that murder scene listened very intently to the synopsis given to them from the officers. I could see their minds working immediately. One of the officers, after speaking with Alex, declared the home a crime scene after their conversation.

I don’t think we know the extent of their investigation of the crime scene enough to say it was contaminated. Fortunately we saw where the bat was placed in the video (imo conveniently placed there). No one was allowed back in the home. I think they may have received differing enough accounts after speaking with Tylee, LV & AC and just knew something was not right. I mean, look at Lori’s reaction!!! She was cool as a cucumber! Not asking about her husband (they were still married), not asking any questions at all. And Alex stated CV hit him in the head but as far as I saw with my own eyes in the video, Alex sure didn’t look incapacitated in the least from a direct hit by a bat delivered by a 60 y/o who was a semi-pro baseball player. The officer picked up on that.

Remember that crime occurred in Maricopa county. If those detectives were half as good as Detective Flores (JArias case) I trust it will be good for the investigation.

 

[salberg7]

When one thinks about several of the killings, they were "excessive", "overkill" if you will. 4 shots to CV, Tylee killed and dismembered, and JJ wrapped in an overabundance of duct tape and garbage bags. Those three are over the top. IMO

Good thinking! I never thought of that.

 

[salberg7]

FOX 13 Investigates: LDS Church urges leaders to not participate in ‘any type of court case’

Really interesting. I have never seen anything like this before from the LDS church. Not with the Lafferty cases, or polygamist cases. Does this have to do indirectly to LVD and CD?

The timing is very coincidental.

And some really interesting comments. Especially from the former mayor of Salt Lake City. Wow.

IIRC that policy was in effect during the Jodi Arias case as well. For those of us who watched that trial the Bishop who testified had his own LDS attorney. I don’t think it’s an unusual policy due to all the different LDS spin off groups. It’s always good to be prudent for separation of Church and State.

 

[salberg7]

I’m struggling with why Chad would even bury those poor children on his land!!! Of all the places out West where there are acres and acres of forest & desolate places. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

This is one reason why I think Chad is not the brightest bulb in the bunch and adds to why I feel Chad was the one manipulated. If Chad didn’t see the risk in having the children buried in his yard, then fantasy is indeed Chad’s reality.

 

[mrjitty]

I’m struggling with why Chad would even bury those poor children on his land!!! Of all the places out West where there are acres and acres of forest & desolate places. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

This is one reason why I think Chad is not the brightest bulb in the bunch and adds to why I feel Chad was the one manipulated. If Chad didn’t see the risk in having the children buried in his yard, then fantasy is indeed Chad’s reality.

The same kind of person who murders kids and says they are staying with relatives?

It proves he is an accessory before the murders IMO - because why would he do this not once but twice?

 

[GRT]

This is straight up encouraging obstruction. The church can stick a thumb in their ear as far as I’m concerned. What an abhorrent position to take. What are they afraid of?

Just the fact that the letter requires the leader to call the Church if they've been subpoenaed to testify strikes me as potentially tampering with a witness.

Also, I don't know what the Church would consider a "leader." They must have some sort of internal hierarchy that makes that determination.

This is odd to say the least.

 

[GRT]

I’m struggling with why Chad would even bury those poor children on his land!!! Of all the places out West where there are acres and acres of forest & desolate places. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

This is one reason why I think Chad is not the brightest bulb in the bunch and adds to why I feel Chad was the one manipulated. If Chad didn’t see the risk in having the children buried in his yard, then fantasy is indeed Chad’s reality.

I agree Chad isn't too bright but I think he's a classic narcissist. He really thinks the mandates he hands down will be followed without question. He probably had/has some influence with people in law enforcement there because it's a pretty devout LDS community, I think. He really does think he's above the law.

I pray he finds out just how wrong he is.

 

[indicolite22]

 

[watergirl62]

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[Nikynoo]

I am interested in your rationale about Alex not being the shooter.

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Well, there is certain 'glee' to that woman in the bodycam, isn't there? And Lori was in the house when the shooting took place. It was certainly planned IMO and IMO Charles was ambushed. Another thing that has bothered me is that Tylee went back into the house to get her mothers purse. If she did so, she would have to walk by Charles body. IMO, Lori did not want to be seen going back into the house after the shooting took place, so in effect she distanced herself from this crime. Who would do that to their child?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Well, there is certain 'glee' to that woman in the bodycam, isn't there? And Lori was in the house when the shooting took place. It was certanly planned IMO and IMO Charles was ambushed. Another thing that has bothered me is that Tylee went back into the house to get her mothers purse. If she did so, she would have to walk by Charles body. IMO, Lori did not want to be seen going back into the house after the shooting took place, so in effect she distanced herself from this crime. Who would do that to their child?

Lori. The same woman who oversaw the murder of her children.