Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #52

[Spartygirl]

yessss. as a law student this got me super hyped up to try my first case. I'm from Michigan and Fieger is notorious shady. Watching that man passionately make his arguments, knowing full well it wasnt how the law should be applied, was truly a work of art. He failed to meet the legal. standard and still got the W. What a lawyer. (I mean it was obvious shady and completely unprofessional but I gotta admire his total disregard for the law when making his case)

That being said in this case I feel like the trial will be a circus. There are just so many players involved and everyone knows everyone. And the news is over reporting everything. From a legal perspective I havent found anything that deviates too wildly from the actual merits for the claims, but its early and 2020 so anything could happen. Im interested to see how it plays out as the trial gets closer

First--Hello fellow Michagander !!!
Fieger is a nut case, IMO
and yes, I am afraid justice for Tylee and JJ and Tammy and all the others will turn into a circus.

 

[Spartygirl]

I don't think anyone will believe it. But I think they will try. I also expect CD to throw LVD and AC under the bus. Jmo

I don't think CD will do that. I hope I am wrong and he does spill some beans, but both of them are guilty IMO
I think CD is totally infatuated with LVD and would not go there, blaming just her. or Her and AxC.
I do see the both of them, CD and LVD, blaming AxC for everything.

 

[887sMtreme]

Other countries have not done that since the 1950s.

In this country, the blessing of a free press can be a curse when jurors are allowed to go home after their day in court. When cases are as sensational as this one, that has to be a problem for the affected communities. Surely there's a way.

 

[Spartygirl]

Do people really believe that AC will be blamed for killing and burying these children? We would have to believe that he took two children away from Lori's house without her noticing that they never came home. We would have to believe that he dug up Chad's property twice and started a fire without Chad's knowledge. We would have to believe that AC knew where the pet cemetery was located. Yes, I agree that Chad and Lori will probably suggest that scenario, but really who would believe it? There can't be another jury as dumb as on the Casey Anthony trial, right?

I do think CD and LVD will try to blame everything on AxC.
However, I cant forget MP, IP and MG and DW being around them in Rexburg and NOT once questioned where the kids are ??
They will come into play and hopefully the jury will see that others weren't concerned enough to wonder where the kids were ???

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't think CD will do that. I hope I am wrong and he does spill some beans, but both of them are guilty IMO
I think CD is totally infatuated with LVD and would not go there, blaming just her. or Her and AxC.
I do see the both of them, CD and LVD, blaming AxC for everything.

I'll tell ya what makes me think that. Prior's line of questioning about how close LVD and AC were. He practically insinuated incest IMO.

All JMO.

 

[887sMtreme]

<snipped for focus>
IMO, regardless of how Lori is charged and regardless of what Alex did, those children were found dead on Chad’s property and he should be charged with murder.

Or at least with accessory to..."

 

[887sMtreme]

I don't think anyone will believe it. But I think they will try. I also expect CD to throw LVD and AC under the bus. Jmo

He will absolutely write that bad fiction.

 

[Spartygirl]

Court TV has Daybell case on right now

 

[Spartygirl]

I'll tell ya what makes me think that. Prior's line of questioning about how close LVD and AC were. He practically insinuated incest IMO.

All JMO.

Ahhh.. Agree with you there !!!

 

[Pianoturtle]

The fact that Evelyn Boswell’s mother was just charged with murder after 6 months gives me hope that murder charges are coming for these two. I’ve had my doubts.

 

[887sMtreme]

I'll tell ya what makes me think that. Prior's line of questioning about how close LVD and AC were. He practically insinuated incest IMO.

All JMO.

I think what Prior was trying to establish was the intensity of their teamship, if that's a word. He won't want it to seem plausible that AlC could murder and bury LVD's children without her knowing about it.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Many family opinions have changed since the children were found in Chad's backyard.

...and icing on the cake was the recording of the phone call of Chad and Lori as the bodies were being unearthed. That call spoke volumes! MOO

 

[Clair Louise]

In this country, the blessing of a free press can be a curse when jurors are allowed to go home after their day in court. When cases are as sensational as this one, that has to be a problem for the affected communities. Surely there's a way.

Other countries also have free presses. They do, however have strict rules for juries.

 

[indicolite22]

I do think CD and LVD will try to blame everything on AxC.
However, I cant forget MP, IP and MG and DW being around them in Rexburg and NOT once questioned where the kids are ??
They will come into play and hopefully the jury will see that others weren't concerned enough to wonder where the kids were ???

I'm not sure why you included MG and DW. They both saw JJ while visiting Lori and MG was told that Tylee was at BYU-I. Later MG was told that JJ went to Kay.

IP never met the children. Once he came into the picture, he could have been told (like others - JJ's school and the neighbor) that they were with Kay and didn't ask again.

I only really have a problem with MP. In her interviews she gave the impression that the children were still living there in November, she just never saw them. The reasons she gave were not believable. It's not clear when her story switched to Lori hiding her kids from Kay. Also, if Lori's children were there in November and MP went to Hawaii with Lori in October (according to MG), who was taking care of the kids in the meantime? MG thought they were with Kay, what about MP?

ETA: According to IP's document, he learned from MP after the welfare check that she had been told by Chad and Lori that their children had become zombies. MP was worried that Alex might have been ordered to kill them. This looks like she had suspicions, although she could have also disguised knowledge as such.

 

[longtimereader]

Today I was thinking about the violent and very hands on way that the children died and were buried. Evident by the situation in the bathroom, Alex Cox also suffered a violent and uncomfortable death. TD falling out of bed and dying is evidence for a violent and uncomfortable death. CV died a very violent and very hands on death. Someone shot at BB. MBP was recorded acting very violent and aggressively during a 911 call by her father. It was reported by a neighbor that LV screamed at Alex Cox out in the street. Because the killer(s) were so "hands on", I think that there may be more evident revealing who did what murder. I wonder if they go to trial, much more evidence of violent behavior will be revealed for both? There is a reason BB and MG feared for their lives. JMO

 

[Niner]

I will be shortening this up a bit...

Friday, August 21st:
*Arraignment Hearing via Zoom (re all charges) (@ 9am MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen 9/23/19 & Tylee on 9/9/19, Rexburg; found 6/9/20 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – for *Chad Guy Daybell (51/now 52) arrested & charged (6/9/20) with 2 felony counts of destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence & concealing remains. Plead not guilty. $1M bond. Fremont County
*Charged (7/1/20) with 2 felony counts of conspiracy to commit concealment, destruction or alteration of evidence. Bond stays at $1M. Fremont County Investigating death of Tamara Michelle Douglas Daybell (49) (5/4/70-10/19/19).
Court info from 6/10/20 thru 8/3/20 reference post #747 here:
Found Deceased - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #49
8/4/20 Update Day 2: Update for 8/3: Exhibit 6 and 7: 6: Order of the Court in the Children Protection Case for Tylee & JJ signed by Judge Eddins, 7: as 6 above - served on Lori on Jan. 25, 2020. Melanie Gibb on stand for cross examine by John Prior. David Warwick next as witness for prosecution. He is Gibb's boyfriend. Has known Daybell for about 5 years. And cross examined. Next up on the stand was Lt. Jared Willmore who oversees the jail at the Madison County Jail. works for the Madison County Sheriff’s Office & oversees Telmate system inmates use to make calls & take virtual visits. Deputy Prosecutor Rammell introduced Exhibit #20 after prosecution asks Willmore about listening to Lori Vallow’s jail calls. The exhibit is a CD of digital call on 6/9/20 - the day remains of JJ & Tylee were found. State's Exhibit 20 is a CD with a phone call from June 9, 2020, at 11:03 a.m. Vallow made this call to Chad Daybell. FBI Salt Lake City Special Agent Steve Daniels, FBI Senior Team Leader for the Evidence Response Team ERT helped recover the remains of Tylee & JJ. Exhibit 21 is a photo of the "clandestine grave" near the pond at the property of Chad Daybell taken by an FBI agent (this is JJ's grave). He then describes finding Tylee's remains. States exhibit 22 is another photo taken by the FBI. The photo shows the stones placed on the grave. State's Exhibit 23 was entered, a photo of the flat wood panels at the gravesite. Daniels said they wanted to capture the effort someone took at the gravesite. State's exhibit 25 is a photo of the pet cemetery. It shows the dog statue and an area that looked like multiple potential graves. State's exhibits 28 and 29 are photographs taken at the Jan. 3 search warrant. They are of an LG cellphone removed from the house in a bedroom. John Prior cross examined FBI Special Agent Steven Daniels. Prior focused on the pet cemetery crime scene. Lt. Joseph Powell with Fremont County Sheriff's Office up next. He received evidence from ERT. He transported evidence to FCSO. No questions from defense. Next witness, Det. Bruce Mattingly with FCSO. Assisted with the search warrant execution at the Daybell’s property on 1/3/20. He took possession of all the items recovered from the search. He logged the items into evidence back at FCSO. No questions from defense. FBI Salt Lake FBI Agent Gary Lyu is the 11th witness. A forensic examiner & specializes in smart phone forensics. Exhibit 30 was admitted. It’s a chain of custody form for specific item. Lyu says it’s dated 1/15/20; the item is an LG cell phone. The LG phone (uncovered in Jan. 3, 2020 from Chad's house in bedroom) - "Clear, rubber outer case with purple glitters in it. It has hearts in it, too." Device was locked. Sent it to FBI HQ to be unlocked. Returned [unlocked] on March 12 & also received 16GB flash drive containing extracted data. Lyu says he turned it on & tried to extract data off device. He could not because it was locked. Lyu packed the phone & sent it back to FBI (in Virginia) to get it unlocked. It came back to him on 3/12. Next FBI Benjamin Dean who works as an intelligence analyst. Dean was assigned in March to review tips sent to the FBI after a press release issued along with a photo of Tylee & Joshua at Yellowstone National Park. Anyone at the park that day with photos or videos was asked to send them in. Dean was also (in May0 asked to help review electronic data seized from Daybell's house (1 hard drive & 1 thumb drive). And to review 2 blue-Ray discs of data pulled from devices. He completed the task in late May. Additionally, Dean was asked to review two Blu-Ray disks from data seized from the Jan. 3 search warrant. The main file contained a subfolder with cell phone data. The phone user was Tammy Daybell as determined by Dean during his investigation. All outgoing messages and calls stopped from this device on 10/18/19, the day before Tammy died. Exhibit 31 (text message from Chad's phone on 9/8/19), shows the messages between the couple sent that day. Dean said he reviewed the exact conversation while reviewing the data. Dean says 9/9/19 text message b/w Chad & Tammy stood out to him because it was longer than the norm from the usual short texts between the two. Defense Attorney John Prior cross examined FBI analyst Dean. After Prior goes back & forth on how Dean decided which text messages from Tammy’s phone stood out the most, Dean is excused. State has no more witnesses. Defense will not put on any evidence. Closing arguments. Prosecutor Ron Wood does his closing & asks Judge Eddins to send this case to District Court & Defense attorney John Prior asks Judge to dismiss charges. Judge Faren Eddins reviewed his notes & says burden met & will be bound over. Arraignment on August 21st at 9am with Judge Steven Boyce by Zoom. 60 days from today is deadline to submit change of venue by either the state or the defense.
8/17/20 Update: Case #CR22-20-0838-Daybell: Request for discovery. Motion for extension of time to file motion for transfer to trial pursuant to I.C.R. 21. Case #CR22-20-0755 (Conspiracy)-Daybell: Request for discovery. 8/19/20 Update: Defense files Orders regarding notices of remote hearing & livestreaming.
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 47) – Pretrial conference hearing for Madison County on 1/4/21 & trial set for 1/25/21; Arraignment hearing for Fremont County on 9/10/20; guardianship hearing on 9/30.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Doesn't matter whose kids they are, they are not POIs/suspects, and are not on trial here. It is not in line with Websleuths victim friendly policy to criticize them for their silence.

Excerpt from The Rules

The "victim friendly" rule extends to the family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, and others who have not been designated as suspects is not allowed. Don't make random accusations, suggest their involvement, nor bash and attack them. Posting their personal information, including names, addresses, and background data -- even if it is public -- is not allowed. That does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media.

 

[GRT]

Do people really believe that AC will be blamed for killing and burying these children? We would have to believe that he took two children away from Lori's house without her noticing that they never came home. We would have to believe that he dug up Chad's property twice and started a fire without Chad's knowledge. We would have to believe that AC knew where the pet cemetery was located. Yes, I agree that Chad and Lori will probably suggest that scenario, but really who would believe it? There can't be another jury as dumb as on the Casey Anthony trial, right?

I really think they're going to go down that road. Lori will claim she trusted Alex to take the children to someplace where other cultists would care for them, while Chad will claim Alex wanted to us his pet cemetery for animals he needed to bury. Since we know Alex' phone was pinging out there and Alex can't defend himself anymore (probably wouldn't, anyway), I think we can assume--barring actual DNA of Chad's found on the kids--they'll pin it all on Alex, and the jury will have enough question for reasonable doubt.

I sure hope it doesn't go down that way -- but I can see it happening, especially if they get a jury member who thinks along the same lines they think.

JMOO

 

[Nikynoo]

I really think they're going to go down that road. Lori will claim she trusted Alex to take the children to someplace where other cultists would care for them, while Chad will claim Alex wanted to us his pet cemetery for animals he needed to bury. Since we know Alex' phone was pinging out there and Alex can't defend himself anymore (probably wouldn't, anyway), I think we can assume--barring actual DNA of Chad's found on the kids--they'll pin it all on Alex, and the jury will have enough question for reasonable doubt.

I sure hope it doesn't go down that way -- but I can see it happening, especially if they get a jury member who thinks along the same lines they think.

JMOO

They may go that route, but any defence attorney worth their salt, will know that this is futile. The facts do not back this scenario up. If faced with jail (and in fact being in jail) does not prompt an innocent person to reveal where their children are when requested by the court, then the inference is, that they are guilty. The actual killings may be pinned on Alex, but the phone evidence also does not support that the killing, of Tylee in particular, was not without Loris knowledge. I know that the charges are conspiracy to conceal, (ATM) and I believe that the state has enough evidence to convict both, with no doubt whatsoever. However, a with any case, it very much depends on how strongly the prosecution presents its case, and this, I'm afraid, is where I have doubts. Its not so much whether the jury can understand or not, nor how clever (or not) a jury is. It is the prosecutors job to convince the jury that the facts support a conviction.

 

[Nikynoo]

In this country, the blessing of a free press can be a curse when jurors are allowed to go home after their day in court. When cases are as sensational as this one, that has to be a problem for the affected communities. Surely there's a way.

Many countries have free press and allow jurors to go home at the end of a court day. Other countries have strong rules around what a juror can and cannot discuss and I believe the US is one of those countries. Jurors, as far as I am aware, are not allowed to discuss the case whilst it is onging, with anyone, to do so, would mean that the jury is tainted and would be removed (or in any case that particular juror would be removed). Why do you think that it would be a problem?