Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #53

[Forever Young]

Not in my opinion, DW was able to her straight on the most importment issues, but she still thinks that they had a great friendship. She was mostly a pawn and I bet if she sits and thinks about it, she will find that LV manipulated her throughout thier entire relationship. Just my opinion.

Oh yes, DW had to quote scriptures all night long before MG could finally see the light, that "it was wrong", that the doctrine did not hold up. Not that MG was just set up to go down for LV. That would have taken me two minutes to conclude, but with MG and DW it took HOURS.

 

[Panda Steps]

I remember Kay's statement too. It was mentioned earlier on this thread. Will try to find the reference. There's no way of knowing if Kay would have given Lori the money if the kids didn't go missing. Not likely, IMO.

Thank you for providing the link. Yes, I agree with you that KW wouldn't have offered to give the money to Lori without the kids being missing. She was just desperate for Lori to tell her where they were and hoped the money and her freedom would be enough of an incentive for her to tell the truth.

 

[Panda Steps]

DBM. Double post

 

[wenwe4]

I am wondering about the recent order in this case. Would the Judge insist on this because he doesn't want the 2 Atty's playing games of 1 against the other (despite both being on both cases)?

I am really curious about the sealed information about the conflict of interest re: Prior & Means. It makes me extremely wary given they share office space in at least 1 city. Furthermore, they are out of the Boise area (some 5 hours away) and that had me curious from the beginning. I am just feeling there is something big that we have no info about in reference to why this is a necessary filing.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Found this, too.

Police say Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow did not tell those around them the truth about J.J. or Tylee either. Lori Vallow told a friend that Tylee was taking classes at BYU-Idaho, but the school has no record of her enrollment there. Daybell told his late wife's sister that Lori had no children, and Lori Vallow described herself to Daybell's parents in November as an "empty-nester."

Court documents: Lori Vallow got rid of boy's service dog, called herself 'empty-nester' | ktvb.com

 

[Spartygirl]

I am still trying to wrap my head around why CD allowed the bodies to be buried in his yard. Why LVD wanted the bodies there.

If LEO had not found the bodies, and actual evidence that the children were dead, they would still be spinning on the original charges against LVD.

JMO but LVD kept saying the kids were safe and she was protecting them.
If they had disposed of JJ and Tylee anywhere else, in woods, in a lake, etc, they risk someone stumbling upon them.
That could not happen as then LVD and CD would be arrested and so on.
Of course, that happened anyway, but their bodies may have been found sooner if they weren't in CDs back yard.
They thought they were clever to bury them there, no risk of anyone stumbling upon them, control of the situation.
They were not smart enough to think about pings, satellite images, text messages.
Their plan backfired and also makes it even more damaging to their defense. IMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Here's another question I just thought of. Why didn't Alex warn Chad and Lori that MG was going to the police? MG mentions that she had spoken with Alex on the recorded phone conversation, the "you don't want to know" part. She later told Nate Eaton that Alex knew she was going to the police. But Alex didn't try to kill MG immediately? Or even try to warn Chad and Lori about her?

IMO, AxC did inform CD and LVD that MG was going to talk to LE
Plus the fact that TD's body was going to be exhumed on Dec 11th
Day after TD body is exhumed- AxC is dead. (Dec 12th)

 

[Spartygirl]

I watched two Dateline episodes about this case and other interviews that the Woodcocks made. I also did a lot of reading on the case. So, I couldn't remember where I had heard KW make this statement or I would have provided the link. But it is what I remember hearing or reading. Should I tell a moderator to remove that statement/and or post since I cannot provide a link?

"Any time there is a court hearing, we're going to be there," Kay said. "I want to haunt her if I can. I want her to see me in her sleep. She's going to have to talk at some point."

"No doubt she has changed my and my family's lives forever, everyone who loved Charles, she's changed our lives forever," she added. "I'd get her out of jail, give her the money and I don't care what she does after that. We just want our JJ, and Tylee, too."
BBM-- one of the articles mentioning Kay giving LVD the money and she just wants JJ and Tylee.
Lori Vallow Daybell's Sister-in-Law Says If 4th Husband Hadn't Had Life Insurance 'He Would Be Alive'

 

[Spartygirl]

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Is this true?

Lori Vallow Daybell's Sister-in-Law Says If 4th Husband Hadn't Had Life Insurance 'He Would Be Alive'

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Found this, too.

Police say Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow did not tell those around them the truth about J.J. or Tylee either. Lori Vallow told a friend that Tylee was taking classes at BYU-Idaho, but the school has no record of her enrollment there. Daybell told his late wife's sister that Lori had no children, and Lori Vallow described herself to Daybell's parents in November as an "empty-nester."

Court documents: Lori Vallow got rid of boy's service dog, called herself 'empty-nester' | ktvb.com

Yes, it's also noted in the transcript here of the May 16th 48 hours program Search for missing Idaho children reveals "no sign of life, no sign of death" - CBS News which the audio can be heard here The Missing Children of Lori Vallow Daybell (I cannot find a free link for the 48 hours special.. so audio and transcript from MSM is shown)

It's so strange to now go back and listen to the entire thing. Especially Janis and Summer comments

Of many...

"Jonathan Vigliotti: Not — she's not preparing for the end of the world, she doesn't believe that she is leading the 144,000—

Janis Cox: No.

Summer Shiflet: She has never said the end of the world is gonna happen in July. That has never come from her mouth or lips ever.

Summer Shiflet : A lot of the things that have been reported … any small truths that are in there have been twisted. But most of them are flat out not even true.

For example, the police reported no one saw or heard from JJ after September 23, but Janis Cox says she called Lori on October 1 — a full week later — and could hear JJ playing in the background. She gave "48 Hours" her phone records that showed a 97-minute call.

Janis Cox: He was alive and well.

Jonathan Vigliotti: How do you know that though?

Janis Cox: Because I know JJ … no one's gonna pretend to be JJ.

At one point, she says JJ actually got on the phone and said, "Hi Mimi," his nickname for her.

Jonathan Vigliotti: You spoke with him though on the phone?

Janis Cox: Yeah. Yes. And I heard him and he was out playing … And— he just takes the phone, you know — and he knows — you know, he knows who we are.

Janis Cox: So he still knew I'm Mimi, you know? He still knew me, Mimi.

The Rexburg police aren't commenting on the call. But Cox and Shiflet want to set the record straight on something else – or rather someone else: their son and brother Alex Cox, Lori's so-called enforcer — the man who shot and killed Charles Vallow.

Jonathan Vigliotti: Is Alex the henchman here?

Summer Shiflet: No [laughs].

Janis Cox: No, he's not.

Summer Shiflet: Alex was the most easygoing, relaxed, hilarious h— type of person. … There's nothing about him that was a hit man...

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" Lori's sister and mother say that's nonsense. They claim Lori stockpiled JJ's medication, so he didn't need that pill bottle found by police. And as for Bailey?

Janis Cox: I don't think Bailey's an issue, as far as JJ is concerned.

Jonathan Vigliotti: There's a lot going on that just doesn't add up —

Janis Cox: OK. I — I do know about the dog. I was over there a lot. Charles loved Bailey. JJ was not really attached to it—

Summer Shiflet: He was fine without him.

But in the months after JJ and Tylee went missing, Lori made several trips to a Rexburg, Idaho, storage unit. And inside that unit?

Morgan Loew: Things that belonged to the kids: bicycles, toys, things like that. … It's pretty tough to come to a different conclusion other than … the kids were no longer around and no longer needed this stuff.

Even more damning than what Lori left behind, may be what she took with her to Hawaii: JJ and Tylee's birth certificates, Tylee's bankcard, which had been used since her disappearance, and Tylee's cell phone....

Jonathan Vigliotti: How about Tylee's cell phone?

Janis Cox: She told me … in — September … that she had confiscated Tylee's cell phone.

Janis and Summer say Lori didn't want Tylee to be tracked through her phone; she was always fearful of those who she said threatened her and the kids.

Summer Shiflet: She put her daughter first all the time. … she loves her daughter and her children. And … she always was, like, putting Tylee's … and JJ's needs ahead of her own.....

Charles Vallow was afraid of Lori according to those divorce documents.

Rich Robertson: He wrote about what he thought might happen to him. … And he was rightfully afraid of that.

Summer Shiflet: He wasn't scared of Lori. … even the whole time he was filing for divorce and all those things, he was begging for her to come back.

ETA: MM is going to rue the day when he got all the players (SS, Janis, MP/IP, MG etc) to do all those Dateline/48hours/EIN/AZFamily Interviews around her bail hearing in May) MOO It has them locked in.

 

[Panda Steps]

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I think she only told MG the story about giving JJ back to KW. I could be wrong, but the lie was just for her

I didn't consider that Lori was lying about that. But, I should have! It fits her pattern of sticking to a story where the children are until her lie is discovered. Then she either tells another story or runs away. Do any of you have theories of why Lori, Chad and Alex would allegedly conspire to kill Tylee and then wait a while before allegedly killing JJ? Maybe Tylee was very protective of JJ, and they needed to get rid of her first. Or maybe they were concerned that she might talk to someone about what really happened to CV.

 

[Dontknow?]

Yes, it's also noted in the transcript here of the May 16th 48 hours program Search for missing Idaho children reveals "no sign of life, no sign of death" - CBS News which the audio can be heard here The Missing Children of Lori Vallow Daybell (I cannot find a free link for the 48 hours special.. so audio and transcript from MSM is shown)

It's so strange to now go back and listen to the entire thing. Especially Janis and Summer comments

Of many...

"Jonathan Vigliotti: Not — she's not preparing for the end of the world, she doesn't believe that she is leading the 144,000—

Janis Cox: No.

Summer Shiflet: She has never said the end of the world is gonna happen in July. That has never come from her mouth or lips ever.

Summer Shiflet : A lot of the things that have been reported … any small truths that are in there have been twisted. But most of them are flat out not even true.

For example, the police reported no one saw or heard from JJ after September 23, but Janis Cox says she called Lori on October 1 — a full week later — and could hear JJ playing in the background. She gave "48 Hours" her phone records that showed a 97-minute call.

Janis Cox: He was alive and well.

Jonathan Vigliotti: How do you know that though?

Janis Cox: Because I know JJ … no one's gonna pretend to be JJ.

At one point, she says JJ actually got on the phone and said, "Hi Mimi," his nickname for her.

Jonathan Vigliotti: You spoke with him though on the phone?

Janis Cox: Yeah. Yes. And I heard him and he was out playing … And— he just takes the phone, you know — and he knows — you know, he knows who we are.

Janis Cox: So he still knew I'm Mimi, you know? He still knew me, Mimi.

The Rexburg police aren't commenting on the call. But Cox and Shiflet want to set the record straight on something else – or rather someone else: their son and brother Alex Cox, Lori's so-called enforcer — the man who shot and killed Charles Vallow.

Jonathan Vigliotti: Is Alex the henchman here?

Summer Shiflet: No [laughs].

Janis Cox: No, he's not.

Summer Shiflet: Alex was the most easygoing, relaxed, hilarious h— type of person. … There's nothing about him that was a hit man...

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" Lori's sister and mother say that's nonsense. They claim Lori stockpiled JJ's medication, so he didn't need that pill bottle found by police. And as for Bailey?

Janis Cox: I don't think Bailey's an issue, as far as JJ is concerned.

Jonathan Vigliotti: There's a lot going on that just doesn't add up —

Janis Cox: OK. I — I do know about the dog. I was over there a lot. Charles loved Bailey. JJ was not really attached to it—

Summer Shiflet: He was fine without him.

But in the months after JJ and Tylee went missing, Lori made several trips to a Rexburg, Idaho, storage unit. And inside that unit?

Morgan Loew: Things that belonged to the kids: bicycles, toys, things like that. … It's pretty tough to come to a different conclusion other than … the kids were no longer around and no longer needed this stuff.

Even more damning than what Lori left behind, may be what she took with her to Hawaii: JJ and Tylee's birth certificates, Tylee's bankcard, which had been used since her disappearance, and Tylee's cell phone....

Jonathan Vigliotti: How about Tylee's cell phone?

Janis Cox: She told me … in — September … that she had confiscated Tylee's cell phone.

Janis and Summer say Lori didn't want Tylee to be tracked through her phone; she was always fearful of those who she said threatened her and the kids.

Summer Shiflet: She put her daughter first all the time. … she loves her daughter and her children. And … she always was, like, putting Tylee's … and JJ's needs ahead of her own.....

Charles Vallow was afraid of Lori according to those divorce documents.

Rich Robertson: He wrote about what he thought might happen to him. … And he was rightfully afraid of that.

Summer Shiflet: He wasn't scared of Lori. … even the whole time he was filing for divorce and all those things, he was begging for her to come back.

ETA: MM is going to rue the day when he got all the players (SS, Janis, MP/IP, MG etc) to do all those Dateline/48hours/EIN/AZFamily Interviews around her bail hearing in May) MOO It has them locked in.

Janis Cox: Because I know JJ … no one's gonna pretend to be JJ.

But...Alex did impersonations, he wasn't bad at it either...hmmm

 

[JolietJake]

If CD knew nothing about the children being buried on his land, why was it that as LE got to the point where they were virtually on top of the burial site and discovery of the children’s bodies, that he became visibly more anxious and when it dawned on him that the‘game was up’, he tried to flee by jumping into his vehicle and was swiftly pursued and stopped by LE? CD knew absolutely that the children were buried there on his land! Such a chameleon- changing himself to suit the environment.

I wonder if CD's excuse could be that he didn't actually participate in any murders but did allow, and maybe even helped AxC to bury the bodies after the murders happened but did not participate in murders. He could say he allowed burials on his property because he was afraid of LV and AxC and that he feared for his life or that they threatened his kids or something like that. Knowing the bodies were there he could say he panicked and ran. However, the charges are for concealing or destroying evidence and conspiracy to do both and that doesn't look good for him. With all the known evidence at this point, and what is unknown to us today (TD), I don't think a jury would buy any crap that JP could come up with. It's a hunch but I smell a plea coming up.

 

[Clair Louise]

Janis Cox: Because I know JJ … no one's gonna pretend to be JJ.

But...Alex did impersonations, he wasn't bad at it either...hmmm

Their smug tone is very annoying. They are lying and they think that their smug arrogance will not be seen.

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

LMAO i just got a mental image of CD digging a whole in a graveyard, for like two days straight totally dissociated and dreaming about zombies.

And by the way just let me say “Totally Dissociated and Dreaming of Zombies” would make a great name for a rock band.

 

[887sMtreme]

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If Lori and Alex did it together, they wouldn't use Chad's backyard.

This is key. I like your reasoning.

 

[887sMtreme]

If we go by the pings on Alex's phone, it would be nearly impossible for 1 person to bury the kids without help. There would not be enough time, IMO. I think Chad really thought that those kids wouldn't be reported missing so soon, because everyone would believe one of their stories about the children's new caregivers. He probably thought the grass would look filled in by the time anyone may suspect him. I think in his mind, not many people would tie those kids to him and search his property. It was Lori's problem, he was just the new man in her life.

And then of course, the soon-to-be forthcoming Earthquake at the End of the World.

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

How I wish this case was in Florida in that we could see the interviews/interrogations with Lori, Alex, and summaries of the minors being interviewed with redaction after they were all brought in after the shooting. I've never seen such, nor even heard of what happened when the were all brought in for such and all had interviews, and gun shot residue tests etc etc...

Crickets, or have I missed?

I've seen nothing about any of such interviews, so shall we assume that in that state they cannot get through FIO?

Please, speaking from Florida, we have TOO MANY cases alrwady’

 

[Clair Louise]

And then of course, the soon-to-be forthcoming Earthquake at the End of the World.

Then why murder the children? Did they think that zombies would not die in the earthquake?

 

[887sMtreme]

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The thing that sounds really horrid to me is CD during the "Sweet Melanie" conversation listening to LVD say that the children are in a safe place, etc.

If CD and LVD really believed their zombie story, JJ and Tylee being dead would put them in “a safe place,” meaning their version of heaven. Up until that point, according to that belief, They were in some kind of limbo while “dark spirits” still occupied their bodies. I cannot imagine that would be a defense under other than an insanity plea — which Idaho doesn’t observe.