Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #54

[indicolite22]

I guess I got the visits confused. She was at her sister's house when one child was buried/he texted about shooting the racoon. Wonder if he commanded that visit as well?

No, Tammy was at work when he sent her the text about shooting and burying a raccoon.

 

[Forever Young]

BBM. Yet she killed her kids to be with him.

And wiped out any potential witnesses to the murders of TR, CV, and JR.

 

[indicolite22]

And wiped out any potential witnesses to the murders of TR, CV, and JR.

JR lived alone. I don't see how Lori's kids could have witnessed his death. JJ also wasn't present for CV's death. He hasn't been told that his father died until his last day in school in Arizona. If JJ witnessed Tylee's death, I doubt he could have kept it to himself for two weeks. Tylee was likely murdered at night when JJ was asleep, perhaps in another appartment.

 

[Forever Young]

JR lived alone. I don't see how Lori's kids could have witnessed his death. JJ also wasn't present for CV's death. He hasn't been told that his father died until his last day in school in Arizona. If JJ witnessed Tylee's death, I doubt he could have kept it to himself for two weeks. Tylee was likely murdered at night when JJ was asleep, perhaps in another appartment.

We'll never know, will we?

 

[indicolite22]

We'll never know, will we?

We have some indication from Alex's movements during that night.

I'm fine with not knowing exactly who killed the kids and when, as long as Lori and Chad are convicted for their role as co-conspirators.

 

[fred&edna]

We have some indication from Alex's movements during that night.

I'm fine with not knowing exactly who killed the kids and when, as long as Lori and Chad are convicted for their role as co-conspirators.

I really appreciate your recent (past few days) post regarding co-conspirator penalties for murder! I have more hope!

 

[Satchie]

BBM. Yet she killed her kids to be with him.

You know, so many cases on WS are about men killing their wives, possibly for insurance, or to marry someone else, or to avoid alimony costs and fights over custody , or just because they don't like their spouse any more. These cases consume people on WS, people are horribly shocked and appalled.

Except in this case...because LV appears to have done even worse, no one is particularly batting an eye about the alleged murder of TD. Not saying it's right or wrong, just find it curious.

Even more curious is, he seems to have done it perfectly, without a whiff of suspicion, and even went off and quickly married his girlfriend and no one batted an eye - until the question about where her disabled son was, was raised.

He has a secret that, IMO, other sociopaths who are tired of their marriage would like to know.

Of course, it didn't hurt them that authorities in that part of the world seem to be completely oblivious to the idea that people might murder their spouses.

 

[Satchie]

And wiped out any potential witnesses to the murders of TR, CV, and JR.

I think the motives for killing TR and JJ are still murky, but IMO it was primarily to collect their benefits without the 'inconvenience' of having them around the newlyweds.

Obviously, LV and CD could not be together as long as they were married to other people. I agree with you that they decided to murder both their spouses and collect the insurance money, rather than, say, get divorced like normal people do. This was a very risky thing to do, they wouldn't want anyone to catch on.

CV's death went off okay, IMO the big problem was not getting his insurance. Kauai is expensive.

I wonder what they'd planned to do with JJ after CV's death? Was she going to turn him over to Kay? Or get Tylee to take care of him while she went off with CD? IMO, neither CD or LV wanted to bring him along with her on her new life with CD. Perhaps as long as she expected the million dollars insurance, all that was something that could be taken care of in the future.

But instead, LV was primary caregiver for JJ and she didn't have any money. She could have given him over to Kay. Why didn't she? The only reason I can think of is, she wanted to keep receiving his benefits, to compensate for the lack of the cash bonanza.

But she could not possibly harm or even give up JJ as long as Tylee was alive. Plus, Tylee also had money.

So I think, similar to the insurance scheme, money, and not wanting them in her new life, were the primary motives for the murders of her children.

IMO, the fact that TD was the last to die, indicates that CD did not want to marry LV, until this other 'problem' of her kids was resolved and the coast was clear, ie the police were not onto them.

MOO

 

[887sMtreme]

Snipped for focus

I wonder who will bring up zombies in the trial. They weren't mentioned by the prosecution in Chad's preliminary hearing. Will his doctrine documents be used as evidence against them?

IN Chad’s preliminary hearing (assuming I’m thinking of the correct event), DW used the word “zombie” and Prior, I believe, may have as well. Would such minimal mention fit the bill?

 

[FLmom777]

BBM. Expecially because she didn't divert attention away from Lori with it, quite the contrary.

Maybe this will come into sharper focus with the investigations into Tammy's, Joe Ryan's, and Charles' deaths. There is definitely a pattern of insurance fraud. Social Security is an insurance, and we know that fraud was going on with that. Since it involves multiple states, it could end up being a Federal case.

I can't help but think that LE took note of this right away, since it is one of the oldest games in the book. The attractive woman as bait, the accomplice working with her, and insurance fraud.

Social Security fraud is definitely a federal crime as it is a federal agency.

 

[Dontknow?]

Snipped for focus

dbm goofed up

 

[Dontknow?]

887sMtreme
IN Chad’s preliminary hearing (assuming I’m thinking of the correct event), DW used the word “zombie” and Prior, I believe, may have as well. Would such minimal mention fit the bill?[/QUOTE]

For some reason I can't think of a reason not to mention the zombie belief. It's part of the case. One of them might try it but for some reason, think going down the road of greed and lust makes more sense. But then again, I think LV is looney as they get in her mind and conniving narcissist as anyone could be to get what she wants, and CD is well, just a big misfit with a big ego. Delusions of grandeur. A big one to rise as a prophet in his mind, thanks to LV. They went for the money and lust. Such a waste of a human life. Maybe the feds get them and they go away for life. Multiple, multiple murders & crimes in several states maybe they will step in one day. jmo (quote goofed up 4 times?)

 

[BeckyF]

You know, so many cases on WS are about men killing their wives, possibly for insurance, or to marry someone else, or to avoid alimony costs and fights over custody , or just because they don't like their spouse any more. These cases consume people on WS, people are horribly shocked and appalled.

Except in this case...because LV appears to have done even worse, no one is particularly batting an eye about the alleged murder of TD. Not saying it's right or wrong, just find it curious.

Even more curious is, he seems to have done it perfectly, without a whiff of suspicion, and even went off and quickly married his girlfriend and no one batted an eye - until the question about where her disabled son was, was raised.

He has a secret that, IMO, other sociopaths who are tired of their marriage would like to know.

Of course, it didn't hurt them that authorities in that part of the world seem to be completely oblivious to the idea that people might murder their spouses.

I’m batting an eye. More than one.

 

[Kemug]

I am in two minds as to whether Lori and Chad really believed in zombies. Maybe they did - they're certainly weird enough.

 

[Dontknow?]

I am in two minds as to whether Lori and Chad really believed in zombies. Maybe they did - they're certainly weird enough.

I think in their courtship they did for sure. Carried it over to their murders. Justifying all their deeds. jmo

 

[Leney]

Lori Vallow lost guardianship of both JJ and TR In January of 2020.
A copy of the Court's order can be found at the 2nd link.

Per the following:

"If the children are located, the order says they will be placed in the custody of the state agency and then appointed a guardian".

Grandparents of JJ Vallow file for guardianship as state agency investigates children's safety | East Idaho News

READ: The court document given to Lori Vallow Daybell involving her children | East Idaho News

 

[Leney]

LV will have no say in the planning of the funerals/burials of either JJ or TR.

"The Ryan, Vallow-Woodcock and Boudreaux families issued the following statement on Wednesday."

"Upon release, we plan public services to be held in Rexburg ID., Phoenix AZ., then Lake Charles, LA. Please be assured once memorial details are finalized a public statement will be released."

Families issue statement about services for JJ and Tylee | East Idaho News

 

[Leney]

The State of Idaho AG initiated an investigation into both LV & CD for Conspiracy, Attempted Murder and Murder in April of 2020.
The request came from Fremont County not Madison County where the abandonment charges originated and which is still involved.

This should be the first clue for everyone that LE is not wanting to take any plea deals from either LV or CD.
A link to that request via letter can be found at the following link.

READ: Letter from attorney general about Fremont County Daybell case | East Idaho News

 

[Leney]

Still patiently awaiting further charges from both Idaho and Arizona not only for LV and CD but others as yet unnamed.

Conspiracy to commit murder;
Attempted Murder
Murder.

 

[Leney]

I get it now. With LV having guardianship she has a say so in how the children’s remains are handled, buried or cremated. Since LE still has the remains she cannot do anything with the remains.
If she loses guardianship then grandma and grandpa can ask for the children. They can be buried with love.
Is that correct?

LV does NOT have guardianship of either JJ or Tylee.