Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #54

[indicolite22]

Then there was this lack of denial, tacit agreement even, in the recorded phone conversation -

Melanie Gibb
“I’m not. I am very, I am troubled. Maybe that’s the better word: troubled. Because these things, like you being with Chad before he’s even divorced, is unusual behavior for a person that’s seen Jesus Christ.”

Lori Daybell
“I was never with him and he was never divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Honey, I’ve seen you guys together.”

Lori Daybell
“That’s your story. (Unintelligible)”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”

Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”

Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”

Full transcript of Lori Daybell secret phone call recording

To me MG was saying that their cases weren't the same. Lori didn't feel guilty about dating Chad (although she denied it in the same call) who was cheating on Tammy. We don't know when DW and MG got together, their marital/relationship statuses (e.g. separation) at the time and their level of involvement. Why would MG accuse Lori of problematic behavior if she was doing the same? Lori is not sitting in jail for dating a cheat, so this isn't overly important anyway.

 

[April_Dawn99]

Then there was this lack of denial, tacit agreement even, in the recorded phone conversation -

Melanie Gibb
“I’m not. I am very, I am troubled. Maybe that’s the better word: troubled. Because these things, like you being with Chad before he’s even divorced, is unusual behavior for a person that’s seen Jesus Christ.”

Lori Daybell
“I was never with him and he was never divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Honey, I’ve seen you guys together.”

Lori Daybell
“That’s your story. (Unintelligible)”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”

Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”

Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”

Full transcript of Lori Daybell secret phone call recording

LV uses a common manipulating technique on MG in this part of conversation by turning MG's statement on MG herself (forgetting to mention that MG tied it to "the person who's seen Jesus Christ"). MG reacts well, in my opinion. It doesn't matter if MG did it with DW or not, she has not claimed that she "has seen Jesus Christ".

 

[Tortoise]

To me MG was saying that their cases weren't the same. Lori didn't feel guilty about dating Chad (although she denied it in the same call) who was cheating on Tammy. We don't know when DW and MG got together, their marital/relationship statuses (e.g. separation) at the time and their level of involvement. Why would MG accuse Lori of problematic behavior if she was doing the same? Lori is not sitting in jail for dating a cheat, so this isn't overly important anyway.

Only important if it's fodder for the defense to undermine their credibility.

I think MG was alluding to Chad and Lori deceiving Tammy, conducting an affair behind Tammy's back, more than anything else.

 

[mickey2942]

Only important if it's fodder for the defense to undermine their credibility.

I think MG was alluding to Chad and Lori deceiving Tammy, conducting an affair behind Tammy's back, more than anything else.

And implies that Tammy's convenient "natural" death is more than what it seemed. Ethics aside.

 

[mickey2942]

Actually, what I meant was that right now Lori could be sitting in court looking very pregnant and woebegone, and playing the sympathy card as hard as she can.

Didn't help Dianne Downs much.
Diane Downs - Wikipedia

Ha, read the link, she still denies killing/shooting her children. This will be LVD to the core.

 

[Kemug]

Didn't help Dianne Downs much.
Diane Downs - Wikipedia

Ha, read the link, she still denies killing/shooting her children. This will be LVD to the core.

I just looked up Dianne Downs on the link, and I see that she is/was up for parole again this year! Does anyone know anything about this?

 

[MsJosie]

I just looked up Dianne Downs on the link, and I see that she is/was up for parole again this year! Does anyone know anything about this?

Yes, DD is up for parole in late 2020. She had parole hearings in 2008 and 2010 and was denied. IMO she will be denied again for the murder of her 3 children and her escape from prison.

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

Yes, DD is up for parole in late 2020. She had parole hearings in 2008 and 2010 and was denied. IMO she will be denied again for the murder of her 3 children and her escape from prison.

From your mouth to God’s ears.

 

[Tricia]

Hey Everyone,

We are so thrilled to have WS verified member Gitana1 joining us live tonight.
Gitana1 will answer some of our legal questions about the joining of Chad and Lori's case.
CLICK HERE AT 10 PM EASTERN ON WEBSLEUTHS YOUTUBE LIVE

 

[April_Dawn99]

Or at least about the newly released Lori's testimony audio from October 2018 that was premiered in that live?

Well, it's LV's voice and direct words, and even if AnC's opinions are only her opinions and should not be taken as an evidence, this audio is a piece of evidence IMO.
The date of the audio is Oct 2018 according to AnC, and here you have this shift from victim to "warrior" narrative which coincides with start of LV-CD affair. Desire to murder, "empowered by god" and "awakened brother" mentioned. Fascinated and gullible listeners included. Very telling piece of evidence IMO

 

[indicolite22]

Well, it's LV's voice and direct words, and even if AnC's opinions are only her opinions and should not be taken as an evidence, this audio is a piece of evidence IMO.
The date of the audio is Oct 2018 according to AnC, and here you have this shift from victim to "warrior" narrative which coincides with start of LV-CD affair. Desire to murder, "empowered by god" and "awakened brother" mentioned. Fascinated and gullible listeners included. Very telling piece of evidence IMO

Lori supposedly first met Chad in late October 2018 in Utah at a PAP event. The recording was made on October 19 in front of an unknown audience. The 144k were a thing by that time, but she was still with Charles. IMO Lori likely got in touch with Chad earlier than we were told. She got indoctrinated through his, JR's and others doomsday prophets' books.

 

[indicolite22]

Scott Reisch thinks that Lori's statements in the audio are not an admission of anything and according to him, the prosecution won't be using them against her.

L.Vallow New Audio, Is This Relevant?

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[longtimereader]

Does anyone know what scripture she is referring to that says if someone comes after you 3 times, you can kill them?

 

[longtimereader]

I am not LDS and am not sure what is LDS and what is LVD. She mentions Jesus' eternal female partner. She mentions the Mother that is all powerful and equal to Jesus. She also mentions Thor. Who is the eternal female partner of Jesus? Who is the all powerful Mother? Is Thor part of LDS doctrine?

She mentions that the dead relatives typed their names and are all knowing. Is that LDS doctrine that dead people are omnipotent and can visit live people?

Thanks in advance for your insight to my questions. (And to clarify, I would like to know if this would agree or disagree with LDS writings. Please don't answer if you are a casual attendee but are not super familiar with LDS writings.)

 

[longtimereader]

Lori supposedly first met Chad in late October 2018 in Utah at a PAP event. The recording was made on October 19 in front of an unknown audience. The 144k were a thing by that time, but she was still with Charles. IMO Lori likely got in touch with Chad earlier than we were told. She got indoctrinated through his, JR's and others doomsday prophets' books.

I do think she was in touch with him earlier but in listening to this, it seems that this would not be something he would teach. From what we know about CD telling TD what to do, I do not think he would build up a female to want to be powerful and equal to him. This audio really put her in a different light to me. I could see why CV would be alarmed. If my spouse was talking about being a warrior and not being innocent and so on.

 

[longtimereader]

dbm

 

[longtimereader]

I am not LDS and am not sure what is LDS and what is LVD. She mentions Jesus' eternal female partner. She mentions the Mother that is all powerful and equal to Jesus. She also mentions Thor. Who is the eternal female partner of Jesus? Who is the all powerful Mother? Is Thor part of LDS doctrine?

She mentions that the dead relatives typed their names and are all knowing. Is that LDS doctrine that dead people are omnipotent and can visit live people?

Thanks in advance for your insight to my questions. (And to clarify, I would like to know if this would agree or disagree with LDS writings. Please don't answer if you are a casual attendee but are not super familiar with LDS writings.)

Never mind. I am finding my answers to some of my questions. Moderator can delete my post. I don't know how to do that.

 

[Forever Young]

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[roche.analisa]

Never mind. I am finding my answers to some of my questions. Moderator can delete my post. I don't know how to do that.

You can't delete the whole thing after a certain amount of time, but you can edit it and replace the whole message with "DBM" (which stands for "Deleted By Me").

 

[fred&edna]

Well, it's LV's voice and direct words, and even if AnC's opinions are only her opinions and should not be taken as an evidence, this audio is a piece of evidence IMO.
The date of the audio is Oct 2018 according to AnC, and here you have this shift from victim to "warrior" narrative which coincides with start of LV-CD affair. Desire to murder, "empowered by god" and "awakened brother" mentioned. Fascinated and gullible listeners included. Very telling piece of evidence IMO

I agree. 'Seems it easily fits into the area of LV's "mindset".