Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #55

[LinasK]

Also, it seems like during this 3 part mini series it seems like the producer has to keep mentioning to them both to mention Tylee more, it just seems like they go from not mentioning Tylee at all for large portions of the show to suddenly mentioning " the kids" and "JJ and Tylee"

it makes me scream in my head " who loved and missed Tylee" .. now Coby probably.. but i hope there was others as well

That wasn't a surprise to me, seems natural because JJ was actually related to them, Tylee wasn't.

 

[LinasK]

Very interesting. Both the DA and Chad’s attorney have requested the 1/6/21 hearing to disqualify prosecutor (originally scheduled for last Friday) be a closed hearing. BUT Lori/her attorney disagree and want it to remain open.

While some of Prior’s comments in the preliminary hearing suggest Chad’s defense strategy may include tossing Lori under the bus, this is the first indication we’ve seen that Lori may be turning on Chad.

Oh, that definitely sounds manipulative. She's trying to publicly get dirt thrown on the prosecutor, and we don't even know if her reasons are valid. I agree that this should be a closed door hearing.

 

[Luna20]

I thought JJ was Kay’s sons child, so therefore making her the biological grandmother. And Charles offered to take him for Kay because the bio father (Charles nephew) was not in a position to care for him.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The one I found is a quit claim deed, which is not a lien. JMO

Got it, thanks, I learn so much here.

 

[nyvictoria]

$995.74 (huh?) plus 3.99 for shipping. Hmmmmm. I'd think that if the seller is asking that kind of money for this garbage, he'd at least include free shipping.

Maybe autographed?

 

[Luna20]

I watched all three parts the other morning. It helped me greatly to clear up the family trees and the two Melanies. It was getting confusing trying to keep it all straight in my head. So Tylee was Lori's bio daughter from her 3rd husband, but not Charles, and Charles was the sister of Kay. Why didn't one of Kay's other children adopt JJ instead of Lori? I think she has 6 kids.

The documentary was helpful to me as well because I didn’t follow the case at the beginning. From what I recall JJs bio parents were drug users.


Joshua ‘JJ’ Vallow & Tylee Ryan: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com

JJ Was Adopted By Lori & Her Late Husband Charles Vallow

JJ was seven years old, born on May 25, 2012. He was adopted by Lori and her late husband Charles Vallow in 2013. His biological father is Charles’ nephew (Kay’s son).

 

[887sMtreme]

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The documentary was helpful to me as well because I didn’t follow the case at the beginning. From what I recall JJs bio parents were drug users.

LVD erroneously referred to JJ as her sister’s “drug baby” after, IIRC, a new neighbor in Rexburg, I believe, noticed how hyperactive he was. This was around the same time she had started telling confidantes (such as MG) that he was a “zombie.”

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

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[Husserl49]

[QUOTE=" I think Alex called Charles' life insurance company to help Lori change the password.[/QUOTE]
New to the case. I just viewed the 4 part documentary. My initial thoughts:

It appears Lori & Chad are serial killers OR capable of serial killing. Normally this means both of these people or sociopaths ( a severe personality disorder with many characteristics) I have always believed "psychopaths" are born and develop into full-blown criminals over time. There is a fair amount of evidence of heritable problems in the brain's limbic system that gives rise to this personality constellation.

I wonder if this "Lori Cox" exhibited signs of sociopathy in the prior 10-20 years. She was characterized as a perfectly norma adorable "lit up a room" person but who underwent a personality transformation over late 2018 and 2019. We have been apprised of the cult-like enterprises she was involved in throughout 2019. Similar environments can be found in other cultic memberships - ie Jim Jones, the Hale Bopp affair, Scientology etc.

The question then arises: can immersion in cultic groups and the development of phantastical beliefs lead to the dissolution of fundamental moral commitments adhered to over a lifetime. Heaven's Gate and Jim Jones Temple People cult, Branch Davidians in Waco TX are examples of "mass suicide". These people did NOT become serial killers.

OR alternatively, do people predisposed to cultic beliefs and life styles also show sociopathic personality traits?

AND finally:

With respect to the seemingly bizarre belief system of imminent apocalypse, the 2nd coming of Christ, the final reckoning, and the duties inhering within the Group of 144 thousand---> do people come to sincerely believe all the elements of this scenario with an unshakable conviction? In other words, are these people genuinely self-deluded and "clueless" or are they careful "rational actors" who behave cynically and ride the wave as far as possible for whatever perverse gains are available?

To what extent is this "Lori character" or this "Chad" character self-aware of their perverse behavior? Or is such self doubt eradicated by some sort of delusion of future liberation from "evil & zombies" permitting them both to "feel comfortable" while awaiting trials because, after "all is said & done" Jesus will rescue them?

My impression from observing these people in this documentary: they both appear to me as resolute narcissitic psychopaths who wrap themselves in a cleansing salvation cosmology - permitting themselves to think they are doing "God's work on earth". (Pretty much the same religious zeal that motivated Jihad in the Islamic Crusades and what motivated the Christian zeal when Urban II preached the 1087 Crusades. And speaking of medieval philosophy: Occham's razor would suggest that 4 and maybe 5 people were dispatched within the same "conspiracy to rid the world of zombies".

PS. As an aside, I am somewhat perplexed, mostly out of ignorance, about the fashionability of "zombies" these days. I realize the "horror movie" genre has amply used this motiff to sell tickets. But the actual idea of "zombies running amuck" is not found in Christian messaging, to my knowlegde. To be sure, the Manichaen idea of "good vs evil" and the idea of "The Devil is loose" has been around for some 2000 years; but I am NOT aware of the "zombie motiff" as being a great motivator of action. We are well aware of the "Red Scare" and the danger of Communism instigating Orson Welles prank of War of the Worlds ( 1937) . This prank was successful because of ubiqutous fear of the "attack from aliens qua Communists" .

But "zombies" in 2020? Seriously? Is that really "a thing"?

 

[indicolite22]

IMO "zombie" was just a name in this case. In Chad's doctrine it's about an evil spirit taking over a person's body. Conveniently this is (always? often?) irreversible, therefore the body needs to be killed off to liberate the original spirit for it to be able to progress onto the next mortal probation (life).

 

[Husserl49]

It's not an active crime scene and CD property is an asset as much as a Mercedes or a house boat.

In my opinion, it suggests JP didn't take his case pro bono or for a flat rate and he needs to be compensated for his service...unless it's to pay LV fees.

I am completely new to this case. Excuse me for butting into a long prior conversation.

After watching the recent 4 part documentary several questions came to mind.
The forensic corroboration of the 2 buried bodies occurred in June 2020. I assume no public ME report is available on JJ? A forensic autopsy may not be able to determine the cause of death on JJ but the ME should be able to "check" homicide vs "indeterminate" vs "accidental". That said, the provable case of homicide may be daunting in this particular circumstance. I assume no formal charge of homicide has been filed in this case because the DA is trying to assemble all the elements that can be proven in court in order to arrive at a"beyond a reasonable doubt standard". Obviously, this is not a "corpus delecti" problem. There seems to be a bounty of circumstantial evidence here. And obviously, in this circumstance, the "devil is in the details".

Secondly, this case started out with a lot of poignant "teasers" - children missing. parents seeking answers, "sex, lies, and video tapes" - all the elements of a Jodi Arias murder spectacle.** AND this nation has not had a good ole Jodi Arias soap opera in years. Therefore, it seems to me: we could be on the cusp of the "trial of the century- OJ Simpson 2021 extravaganza. Am I wrong here?

** By way of criticism the editors and producers of this documentary should be FORCED into taking a course on remedial film production, film editing, & documentary script writing. The 4 part production was interesting but horribly done. I would assign the production team on this case no higher than a "C- grade".

 

[mickey2942]

It is interesting to compare Jodi Arias to Lori Vallow Daybell. Especially since both women were converts to the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. (LDS church).

 

[CSIDreamer]

It is interesting to compare Jodi Arias to Lori Vallow Daybell. Especially since both women were converts to the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. (LDS church).

When did LVD convert? I'm missing something because I'm under the impression she's always been Mormon. JMO

 

[indicolite22]

Chad an Lori started off with recurrent visions (aka fantasies) of their spouses dying in car accidents. When those didn't materialize, the spouses were declared zombies which, like in the children's cases as well as in BB's, gave Chad, Lori and Alex a license to kill. I wonder what it meant to other cult members, including those that remain anonymous till this day? Apart from MG and DW (also likely MBP and ZP), who else knew about the particular zombie proclamations? Did Chad call anyone else's family member a zombie? Who knew about the implications?

Charles' murder was masked as self-defense and Tammy's as natural death (with two versions: unexpected and expected - long term poor health alleged by Chad). No zombies mentioned in public explanations. Why were zombies even needed? IMO purely to dehumanize the victims and justify murdering them within the perp's belief system. Charles was a zombie who came to Arizona to attack Lori, so he had to be eliminated. What about Tammy? Who did she threaten? Chad managed to convince his children that their mother had a mission on the other side of the veil, but did he ever tell them that she was a zombie (i.e. was invaded by an evil spirit) before she died? I doubt it. IMO zombies were supposed to be kept a secret within the inner circle.

If the adults who were declared zombies weren't murdered (according to Chad and Lori), what about the kids? There's no acceptable excuse for their deaths. It's not like they were ill or were in an accident.

Without utilizing the zombie doctrine, all those people might still be alive. It's possible that even more people would have died if Chad and Lori weren't stopped.

 

[indicolite22]

To what extent is this "Lori character" or this "Chad" character self-aware of their perverse behavior? Or is such self doubt eradicated by some sort of delusion of future liberation from "evil & zombies" permitting them both to "feel comfortable" while awaiting trials because, after "all is said & done" Jesus will rescue them?

People have differing opinions about that, mostly depending on who they think is the ringleader. Even the prosecutor himself recently opined on this issue (not allowed quote him). I think that Chad is the manipulator, so he doesn't necessarily believe in things that he made up to advance his agenda. Lori strikes me as a fanatical follower, although she sees herself in the leading position with Chad. There's a greater chance that she's all in. The two Melani(e)s also said that Alex 100% believed in the doctrine. To me that's the most surprising part.

 

[mickey2942]

When did LVD convert? I'm missing something because I'm under the impression she's always been Mormon. JMO

Charles Vallow was a convert. Was LVD always LDS?

LVD is interesting, as her psychological profile is intriguing. She is a textbook example of several DSM diagnosis.

I wonder if we will see any psychologists on the witness list for the trial. Probably not for the defense or prosecution. Looks like the LVD strategy is going to be "say nothing, deny". ? Blame AC for everything? Which is why ZP is going to be a compelling witness.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

It is interesting to compare Jodi Arias to Lori Vallow Daybell. Especially since both women were converts to the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. (LDS church).

Lori's family reputedly have roots back to the Joseph Smith days. Which, if true, would explain a lot. The must be a Websleuth with access to Ancestry.com who can verify or refute this.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I am completely new to this case. Excuse me for butting into a long prior conversation.

After watching the recent 4 part documentary several questions came to mind.
The forensic corroboration of the 2 buried bodies occurred in June 2020. I assume no public ME report is available on JJ? A forensic autopsy may not be able to determine the cause of death on JJ but the ME should be able to "check" homicide vs "indeterminate" vs "accidental". That said, the provable case of homicide may be daunting in this particular circumstance. I assume no formal charge of homicide has been filed in this case because the DA is trying to assemble all the elements that can be proven in court in order to arrive at a"beyond a reasonable doubt standard". Obviously, this is not a "corpus delecti" problem. There seems to be a bounty of circumstantial evidence here. And obviously, in this circumstance, the "devil is in the details".

Secondly, this case started out with a lot of poignant "teasers" - children missing. parents seeking answers, "sex, lies, and video tapes" - all the elements of a Jodi Arias murder spectacle.** AND this nation has not had a good ole Jodi Arias soap opera in years. Therefore, it seems to me: we could be on the cusp of the "trial of the century- OJ Simpson 2021 extravaganza. Am I wrong here?

** By way of criticism the editors and producers of this documentary should be FORCED into taking a course on remedial film production, film editing, & documentary script writing. The 4 part production was interesting but horribly done. I would assign the production team on this case no higher than a "C- grade".

I'm really behind, I only thought and saw three parts. There was a fourth I guess I will have to look up, thanks

 

[CSIDreamer]

Charles Vallow was a convert. Was LVD always LDS?

LVD is interesting, as her psychological profile is intriguing. She is a textbook example of several DSM diagnosis.

I wonder if we will see any psychologists on the witness list for the trial. Probably not for the defense or prosecution. Looks like the LVD strategy is going to be "say nothing, deny". ? Blame AC for everything? Which is why ZP is going to be a compelling witness.

I'm dashing around finishing Christmas prep. So I'm abbreviating my reply lol.

Charles converted because of Lori. I'm just certain her entire family is Mormon. She took those classes every morning (?) in school.

Merry Christmas fellow WSers!

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm really behind, I only thought and saw three parts. There was a fourth I guess I will have to look up, thanks

I'm only aware of the 3 myself. JMO. Maybe the 4th one is hidden behind the veil. Kidding.