Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #56

[dixiegirl1035]

The latest musings here about the marriage certificate are interesting. This case certainly has lots of nuances.

But what would be a legal reason for caring if Chad and Lori are married? They already can testify against each other due to the charges. So why does it matter (legally)? This is where I’m stumped.

?? So she can have legal access to his monies for her daily visitors fees ??

 

[MsJosie]

?? So she can have legal access to his monies for her daily visitors fees ??

That is probably a good reason she wants to be called Daybell. If the courts/Judge call her Daybell, then they recognize the questionable marriage. There is some question on the marriage or the Judge would be using Daybell. With that said, if she was called Daybell, showing the courts recognize them married, she could say Chad needs to provide her monies for her defense. Chad and his lawyer must not be giving her any monies to keep MM on board. Chads lawyers found something ‘illegal’ with the Hawaii wedding, so not legally married Chad does not have to provide for her.

LV should be asking for a court appointed lawyer. MM may be able to stay on board, but I think his daily, all day visits, may be questioned.
JMOO

 

[GoofyJen]

That is probably a good reason she wants to be called Daybell. If the courts/Judge call her Daybell, then they recognize the questionable marriage. There is some question on the marriage or the Judge would be using Daybell. With that said, if she was called Daybell, showing the courts recognize them married, she could say Chad needs to provide her monies for her defense. Chad and his lawyer must not be giving her any monies to keep MM on board. Chads lawyers found something ‘illegal’ with the Hawaii wedding, so not legally married Chad does not have to provide for her.

LV should be asking for a court appointed lawyer. MM may be able to stay on board, but I think his daily, all day visits, may be questioned.
JMOO

BBM

I disagree with this assumption. The judge is calling her Vallow because that is the name listed on the case.

My gut tells me that Lori's vanity is behind MM's filing insisting that her name be changed on the case. There is very little the defense attorney's can do to combat the hard evidence of the defendants' guilt. So MM files "nonsense" motions to appease his client.
MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Thank you for the response! But now I have to wait for @Tortoise to let me know the "times"....

7th April, 1:30pm

 

[Pipersand]

JMO - I think more charges are coming - I think the Grand Jury has sanctioned those charges and that is why the motions were vacated. Means looked positively devastated after the break out. I thought the prosecutor looked self-satisfied. I also thought that Prior looked hmmm... artificial and falsely insecure? I think the state will dismiss these charges and proceed with charges of appropriate severity against both. It could be there is a plea deal coming (Chad turning on LV) but given the sealing order, I think it is because of direction from the Grand Jury. I am totally waiting, fingers crossed!

 

[ReadySet]

What do you think is the possibility that after this time in jail and away from LVD, CD might have begun to change his way of thinking? Could a Bishop or others from the LDS church be visiting him and counseling him? Could family members be reasoning with him and trying to lead him to do the right thing? This is probably just wishful thinking on my part. Hoping that he will "snap out of it" enough to bring the truth forward.

 

[mickey2942]

DBM

 

[Colorado303]

BBM

I disagree with this assumption. The judge is calling her Vallow because that is the name listed on the case.

My gut tells me that Lori's vanity is behind MM's filing insisting that her name be changed on the case. There is very little the defense attorney's can do to combat the hard evidence of the defendants' guilt. So MM files "nonsense" motions to appease his client.
MOO

Exactly.

 

[Deerrun]

Imo CD is a con artist and if anyone will/can flip it is him. He has LV under control because she still buys into this bs. I feel she buys into it still because of the importance she places on her name. It is important for her to be known as Mrs Daybell because of her religion and end times, she is one of the 144000 as Mrs Daybell and is sealed for eternity in the Temple as Lori Daybell. Chad knows this is all bs at this point and he is in self survival mode. He wants to seperate from LV in court because he knows he has a better chance without his nutcase osf a wife. The court recognizes LV as LV because the crimes she is being charged with happened when she was LV, it is that simple. It has nothing to do with spousal testimony because it does not apply nor does it have to do with CD's money because his money is his and not part of the marital estate.
What I feel about the hearings being vacated
is as follows either their is now new evidence to disolve the joined cases or there are murder charges coming. I am not convinced yet the murder charges are for Tammy because I think it possible they are for Tylee or JJ or both. I sincerely hope its for all 3 because they deserve justice. This is where flipping is a sticky situation because they are both guilty of murder whether by actual or conspiracy. All is just my opinion sorry for the long rant. I put this down for a little while (I needed a break) but I am now back in full force and I appreciate everyone keeping it alive!

 

[Love Never Fails]

Imo CD is a con artist and if anyone will/can flip it is him. He has LV under control because she still buys into this bs. I feel she buys into it still because of the importance she places on her name. It is important for her to be known as Mrs Daybell because of her religion and end times, she is one of the 144000 as Mrs Daybell and is sealed for eternity in the Temple as Lori Daybell. Chad knows this is all bs at this point and he is in self survival mode. He wants to seperate from LV in court because he knows he has a better chance without his nutcase osf a wife. The court recognizes LV as LV because the crimes she is being charged with happened when she was LV, it is that simple. It has nothing to do with spousal testimony because it does not apply nor does it have to do with CD's money because his money is his and not part of the marital estate.
What I feel about the hearings being vacated
is as follows either their is now new evidence to disolve the joined cases or there are murder charges coming. I am not convinced yet the murder charges are for Tammy because I think it possible they are for Tylee or JJ or both. I sincerely hope its for all 3 because they deserve justice. This is where flipping is a sticky situation because they are both guilty of murder whether by actual or conspiracy. All is just my opinion sorry for the long rant. I put this down for a little while (I needed a break) but I am now back in full force and I appreciate everyone keeping it alive!

I see them both so differently. If he is a con artist, he is a poor example of one. I think he dreamed of a better life, wanted to be a wealthy author and that failed too. I see LV as a chief manipulator who was already looking for her next husband. She believed he would become some prophet or whatever and that excited her and he made her believe she was a goddess. For any woman to even entertain the idea of murdering her husband and then murdering her children means she is pure evil. I believe the plan was all hers and she involved both Alex and Chad and talked Chad in to murdering his wife. I see Chad as weak and was charmed by her beauty queen role. Ugh. She isn’t even pretty. And yes, he is evil also.

If anyone flips on anyone, I believe Chad will flip and blame it all on LV. But I do hope both are charged with murder soon. I still worry about the trial being held near his home and church members who might be jurors not seeing him for who he really is. JMO.

 

[montegrl]

New Filings in the case but nothing is public. Maybe there has been some witness intimidation or something that led to the court halting everything? Not sure what is going on. MOO

03/11/2021 Order to Seal Records

03/11/2021 Motion

• Comment
• VALLOW. Motion for Ex Parte Protective Order

03/11/2021 Order to Seal Records

03/11/2021 Motion

• Comment
• DAYBELL. Motion for Ex Parte Protective Order

Details (idaho.gov)

 

[pizzaman12]

New Filings in the case but nothing is public. Maybe there has been some witness intimidation or something that led to the court halting everything? Not sure what is going on. MOO

03/11/2021 Order to Seal Records

03/11/2021 Motion

• Comment
• VALLOW. Motion for Ex Parte Protective Order

03/11/2021 Order to Seal Records

03/11/2021 Motion

• Comment
• DAYBELL. Motion for Ex Parte Protective Order

Details (idaho.gov)

So JP & MM both filed this? Am I reading that correctly?

 

[montegrl]

So JP & MM both filed this? Am I reading that correctly?

I think the prosecutor filed both. I've started to notice that he starts his motions with Vallow in all caps on her side and Daybell in all caps on his side and files in both cases. MM and JP only file in their respective cases. MOO

 

[MsJosie]

Please read below links.....first one info is to left of your screen.


Idaho has two kinds of protective orders temporary and final

Temporary is filed day of or next day one files the petition “if the judge believes that serious or permanent (irreparable) injury could result from domestic violence if an order is not issued immediately without prior notice to the abuser.”

An example was given where the judge considers an “abuser has recently threatened you with bodily injury or has committed an act of domestic violence against you.”

Temporary ex party last usually 14 days or until a court hearing for a permanent order.

At the next court hearing a Permanent order can be given. The abuser and abusee both present evidence that there is “present and Immediate danger” to abusee.

If a permanent order is issued it usually is given for one year.

Restraining Orders

Next link is actual Idaho ruling.

Section 18-7908 – Idaho State Legislature

My questions are, did LV file against CD, and CD file against LV or is someone else involved? Are they filing against each other because one may flip on the other? BUT they are in jail, how can they hurt each other? By words?

Any words of explanation I would appreciate. Thanks.

 

[montegrl]

Please read below links.....first one info is to left of your screen.


Idaho has two kinds of protective orders temporary and final

Temporary is filed day of or next day one files the petition “if the judge believes that serious or permanent (irreparable) injury could result from domestic violence if an order is not issued immediately without prior notice to the abuser.”

An example was given where the judge considers an “abuser has recently threatened you with bodily injury or has committed an act of domestic violence against you.”

Temporary ex party last usually 14 days or until a court hearing for a permanent order.

At the next court hearing a Permanent order can be given. The abuser and abusee both present evidence that there is “present and Immediate danger” to abusee.

If a permanent order is issued it usually is given for one year.

Restraining Orders

Next link is actual Idaho ruling.

Section 18-7908 – Idaho State Legislature

My questions are, did LV file against CD, and CD file against LV or is someone else involved? Are they filing against each other because one may flip on the other? BUT they are in jail, how can they hurt each other? By words?

Any words of explanation I would appreciate. Thanks.

I don't think they are filing them against each other. The parties can also file motions for protection orders to prevent the release of information like we saw earlier when they tried to disqualify the prosecutor but those weren't ex parte. Ex parte usually means there is such a threat of harm (need not be physical harm) that something must be done quickly without hearing the other side first. I have no idea what is happening but if anything gets put on the public website we will have documents to read. Usually this site updates first and there is a delay before they publish the actual briefs if they are going to publish them. MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't think they are filing them against each other. The parties can also file motions for protection orders to prevent the release of information like we saw earlier when they tried to disqualify the prosecutor but those weren't ex parte. Ex parte usually means there is such a threat of harm (need not be physical harm) that something must be done quickly without hearing the other side first. I have no idea what is happening but if anything gets put on the public website we will have documents to read. Usually this site updates first and there is a delay before they publish the actual briefs if they are going to publish them. MOO

So do you believe the prosecutor filed ex parte against both of them? And to protect the release of something they have or know? Surely prosecutor hasn’t been physically threatened by either. Just when you think a case cannot get any stranger.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Google says ex parte means in the interest on one side only, or with respect or in the interest of one side only.

So in the interest of the prosecution only?

 

[BeachSky]

Prior sure was happy at that last rodeo....


IMO

 

[JolietJake]

My latest theory, and it changes slightly from time to time:

One thing to consider is that Chad had lots of years to do crazy things or murder people if that was his M.O. Yes, he was a failed author with crazy religious ideas that he was trying to sell to people, but although he was a blowhard, he was never accused of hurting anyone. It wasn't till he hooked up with LV that things got derailed for him.

LV is a whack job with a certain charm that kept her out of legal trouble for a long time. LV is also quite good at manipulating people. LV, being one with warped relgious beliefs herself, bought into CD's crap and put this author/prophet on a pedestal. CD's newest and biggest fan became his obsession, and it could have fueled a midlife crisis. Since he was so awestruck by her, he was easily goaded and minipulated into this mess.

The two fed off each other and I think they're both equally guilty of murder or conspiracy for the kids. I think LV is guilty of the murder of CV and CD probably knew about it but conspiracy would be hard to prove. CD is guilty of the murder of TD and LV had to know about it considering her wedding plans while TD was still alive. Conspiracy at a minimum could easliy be on the table for LV.

Of course, with AxC dead, it will be easy to blamed him for everything so that will be the crux their both their defenses. If anyone would flip, it would be CD having his kids around. LV, with her way out religious beliefs is too into herself to flip. However, if the prosecution feels solid with their cases, flipping might not be necessary by anyone.

 

[pizzaman12]

I'm still curious about JP's grin. Was it that he won something or that was it the reason to vacate was something he didn't agree with and considered almost laughable.

Either way, it looks like it's time to start popping some popcorn