Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #56

[montegrl]

Was the motion to dismiss already going to be vacated based on the meeting a couple weeks ago when they vacated everything till the April status conference? Basically, this was just the formal withdrawal or is this different.

Yes I think they agreed to this during that hearing. MOO

 

[Tortoise]

I think they had vacated the hearing (to dismiss) but not sure we knew he was vacating the actual motion until now.

 

[pizzaman12]

When will it show the details of the Motion Pro Hac Vice because it doesn't appear that part is sealed like the ex parte was

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't know if it's even possible, but worth considering? I think it would be strange to appoint a new defense attorney for them IF they are going to pit against each other at trial. Perhaps a mediator

I just thought since they are being tried together maybe there’s some big defense attorney wanting the attention of the trial. But if the attorney is well known, why would he/she even be interested?

Maybe an attorney will give us an opinion?

eta: Maybe both defense attorneys now feel the defendants need an experienced criminal attorney, and they are getting out? We can hope serious charges are coming.

 

[pizzaman12]

New filing:

03/18/2021 Motion

Comment
VALLOW. Motion Pro Hac Vice

03/18/2021 Motion

Comment
DAYBELL. Motion Pro Hac Vice

• 03/17/2021 Notice Vacating Motion to Dismiss

It looks like a Pro Hac Vice motion is the following:

I wonder who it is?

Where do you get the documents shown above. If I'm within the CR22-20-755 file, it just shows the details but no document. Obviously, I'm looking in the wrong area

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think they had vacated the hearing (to dismiss) but not sure we knew he was vacating the actual motion until now.

No need to go further with a motion to dismiss if more charges are coming right?

 

[montegrl]

Where do you get the documents shown above. If I'm within the CR22-20-755 file, it just shows the details but no document. Obviously, I'm looking in the wrong area

Here is the link to the repository, it usually has updated docket info first. iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts

Click on smart search and then you can search for them by name and see what has been filed. On this site you can see the title of the doc but cannot see the actual motion so I'm guessing this is where you are checking.

This is where they usually post public info: Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest Sometimes this takes a couple of days to update and it will only release docs that are intended for the public.

Hope this helps!!

 

[pizzaman12]

Here is the link to the repository, it usually has updated docket info first. iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts

Click on smart search and then you can search for them by name and see what has been filed. On this site you can see the title of the doc but cannot see the actual motion so I'm guessing this is where you are checking.

This is where they usually post public info: Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest Sometimes this takes a couple of days to update and it will only release docs that are intended for the public.

Hope this helps!!

Perfect. Thank you. I was using the smart search and all the details were there but no actual documents

 

[montegrl]

Perfect. Thank you. I was using the smart search and all the details were there but no actual documents

Yes, I wish they would update faster on the other site.

 

[Colorado303]

New filing:

03/18/2021 Motion

Comment
VALLOW. Motion Pro Hac Vice

03/18/2021 Motion

Comment
DAYBELL. Motion Pro Hac Vice

• 03/17/2021 Notice Vacating Motion to Dismiss

It looks like a Pro Hac Vice motion is the following:

Pro hac vice is a legal term for adding an attorney to a case in a jurisdiction in which he or she is not licensed to practice in such a way that the attorney does not commit unauthorized practice of law. For example, an Ohio licensed attorney may practice pro hac vice in a New York case, although normally he or she would be engaged in the unauthorized practice of law in New York without admission to the New York Bar. In almost all U.S. jurisdictions, attorneys who practice pro hac vice must do so with a local lawyer acting as local counsel. Pro hac vice | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

I wonder who it is?

Why would Prior vacate Chad’s motion to dismiss unless they had settled on a plea agreement. After the last hearing —where Means was called to breakout room to talk the Judge first, the sealing of breakout room discussion, Prior’s smug smile and Mean’s nauseous expression— I’ve felt Chad worked out a plea. Reduced charges or immunity to future charges if he flips on Lori.

Hypothesis only, but IMO the pieces would fit. I’ll be disappointed if Chad gets away without murder charges.

 

[Tortoise]

An Alford Plea?

I hope the state hurries up with more charges!

 

[Dorothy Jane]

An Alford Plea?

I hope the state hurries up with more charges!

That would be awful. I want him to confess or be convicted!

 

[Ruminations]

Means is getting drawn into Lori's web. He's probably contemplating divorce of his current wife and marrying Lori.

She's not going to be charged with murder despite what everyone thinks. There is nothing tying her to the scene and with her brother deceased no way to get testimony.

Chad "might" get the murder charge but even that's iffy. Bodies on his property don't prove he murdered those poor kids. Maybe his own children can tie him to it. Their testimony might implicate him but it also might reveal their complicity. They might need immunity even if their knowledge is limited. Just living across the street and being combative with authorities and press is enough to draw suspicion. It doesn't convict them but it casts a bad light. They might end up the missing link to convict Chad.

The authorities have blown this murder case. The best they can do is convict Chad and Lori of lesser charges. Everything else will be highly circumstantial.

Maybe someone with more expertise can chime in, but it seems to me that prosecutors like to keep an advantage by keeping evidence with which they are aware, and which could lead to other evidence, as close to the chest as possible. If the target of the investigation did it, the target could connect the dots to the next piece of evidence faster than the prosecutors, who weren't there committing the crime. And if a guilty target can anticipate the next piece of evidence to be found, a guilty target can take actions to destroy that evidence.

I do not think we know what additional evidence prosecutors have, beyond what was needed to be shared to make the charges that were already made. For instance, there is obvious very specific location information with Alex's cell phone. There is no reason to believe there is not the same level of detail available for Chad's and Lori's.

I have a feeling (no evidence or expertise) that Tammy's autopsy information would more likely have been released if there were not incriminating evidence. Maybe prosecutors just do not want to tip suspects off to what evidence to destroy next.

 

[mickey2942]

However this ultimately ends up, at least LVD and CD have been incarcerated, and TD's insurance money is going to be gone.

Don't forget, LVD could also be charged with fraud, federal charges, if she was spending the children’s Social security checks. That is probably why she had their birth certificates with her.

Federal charges could be in a corner pocket on this case.

 

[Ruminations]

First JP grinning on Zoom and now MM's joy... I think (speculate) that something is going their way in both their court cases. Possibly a prosecution witness has been compromised or there's another weakness on the prosecution's side, like a lack of direct electronic evidence against Chad and Lori or inconclusive children's autopsy results. Tammy's autopsy should have no bearing on the children's case. Somehow Wood doesn't want some of the recent findings/evidence to get out. (all IMO)

ETA: On second look - considering his consecutive posts, MM might just be enjoying his weekend off work.

Or, maybe the possibly competing co-defendants are just trying to fake each other out by implying victories.

 

[kshultz06082]

New filing:

03/18/2021 Motion

Comment
VALLOW. Motion Pro Hac Vice

03/18/2021 Motion

Comment
DAYBELL. Motion Pro Hac Vice

• 03/17/2021 Notice Vacating Motion to Dismiss

It looks like a Pro Hac Vice motion is the following:

Pro hac vice is a legal term for adding an attorney to a case in a jurisdiction in which he or she is not licensed to practice in such a way that the attorney does not commit unauthorized practice of law. For example, an Ohio licensed attorney may practice pro hac vice in a New York case, although normally he or she would be engaged in the unauthorized practice of law in New York without admission to the New York Bar. In almost all U.S. jurisdictions, attorneys who practice pro hac vice must do so with a local lawyer acting as local counsel. Pro hac vice | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

I wonder who it is?

Arizona DA for if Charles death gets added to charges related to TR, JJ, and Tammy? Canthat happen? Would explain the different reactions by JP AND MM following the break out session ... only Lori being charged for Charles, maybe???????

 

[janewall]

Arizona DA for if Charles death gets added to charges related to TR, JJ, and Tammy? Canthat happen? Would explain the different reactions by JP AND MM following the break out session ... only Lori being charged for Charles, maybe???????

I would love to see Charles get some justice in this - particularly as someone was musing about murdering him, and viewing his death as a necessity in her warped cosmology, long before his murder. If he can't get it in Arizona because of local LE's wholly incompetent failure to investigate his death, maybe he can get it in Idaho.

 

[BeachSky]

Think about it..if LV and Alex had been held accountable, sentenced for Charles death ...the kids would be alive.
She had her eye on that life insurance money.

MOO

 

[Forever Young]

Why would Prior vacate Chad’s motion to dismiss unless they had settled on a plea agreement. After the last hearing —where Means was called to breakout room to talk the Judge first, the sealing of breakout room discussion, Prior’s smug smile and Mean’s nauseous expression— I’ve felt Chad worked out a plea. Reduced charges or immunity to future charges if he flips on Lori.

Hypothesis only, but IMO the pieces would fit. I’ll be disappointed if Chad gets away without murder charges.

If the cases were joined, why would Wood need to address Means separate from Prior? I'm (strongly) leaning in the same direction you are.

 

[pizzaman12]

So, what motion hearing is going on March 22nd if everything has been vacated until April including JP withdrawal for the motion to dismiss? These are for 3pm on March 22nd

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22-20-838/Notice of Remote Hearing 031921.pdf
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22-20-755/Notice of Remote Hearing 031921.pdf