Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #57

[Caylee Advocate]

I feel horrible for her children and family. I can't imagine what they've ALREADY gone through. Ugh

I know, it's sad. The kids not only lost their momma but now are having to deal with losing a Dad. Sad all the way around and for what... a lying, cheating, despicable, used up so called "woman" In the end he lost way more than he would have ever gained.

 

[155etta]

I am eagerly waiting for confirmation on this. CourtTV is not the most reliable source. Their judgement is certainly "off" at times, considering they had MM on as an "Expert Criminal Defense Attorney" commenting on the Chauvin trial.

MOO

Really surprised that Nate Eaton isn't on this, he has had his finger on the pulse of this case from the get go. MOO.

 

[indicolite22]

I am eagerly waiting for confirmation on this. CourtTV is not the most reliable source. Their judgement is certainly "off" at times, considering they had MM on as an "Expert Criminal Defense Attorney" commenting on the Chauvin trial.

MOO

The information they came out with is pretty specific. While CourtTV made quite a few mistakes when they started covering this case, I now found them accurate and detail oriented. Chanley Painter is a good reporter. She used "multiple unnamed sources" for this news.

 

[indicolite22]

Just imagine the sheer terror that creep put her through over time.

I didn't get the feeling that Chad was terrorizing Tammy, or have I missed something? She wasn't afraid of him and also probably didn't see him as a creep.

 

[indicolite22]

Pretty big stuff! Talk about a lot of unknowns...Is it for CD, LV or both? Who is going to run the show? Fremont, RW or both? Amazing that lab stuff is just getting back so looks like it's going to get real and real fast for the defense. Let's just hope the judge doesn't drag this out till 2038.

I think it's safe to say at this point that TD autopsy didn't come back inconclusive

BBM. According to the news, the grand jury is being convened by the Fremont County prosecutor's office (not RW). It was mentioned that murder cases for Tylee, JJ and Tammy could be combined into one case.

 

[indicolite22]

I know, it's sad. The kids not only lost their momma but now are having to deal with losing a Dad. Sad all the way around and for what... a lying, cheating, despicable, used up so called "woman" In the end he lost way more than he would have ever gained.

Chad had a history of telling women that he'd been married to them in previous lives and that his wife would die young, so I wouldn't put it all on Lori and her traits. They were both willing to murder innocent people for their personal gain.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Really surprised that Nate Eaton isn't on this, he has had his finger on the pulse of this case from the get go. MOO.

Perhaps due to the fact that many people consider Grand Juries are secret, even that they are taking place? Not only for what is being said in such, but also that they are occurring at all. You can betcha Lori and Chad are going to want to know the whereabouts of many people May 17-20. Heck, may not put it past some media folks to hang around the courthouse now and we'll get pictures of some folks entering the courthouse as folks have now been put on notice to get those pictures and information to the Daily Mail? Traditionally, the grand jury secrecy helps prevent identification and importuning grand jurors.

The role of grand juries in Idaho's criminal court system

"....they’re used in criminal cases across the country every day, making the United States one of only two countries in the world, alongside Liberia, to use them to screen criminal indictments....In Idaho, they are made up of 16 people, but only 12 need to agree to secure an indictment......If the jurors are not convinced, the prosecutor cannot bring the case to a preliminary hearing — meaning they’ve effectively lost their chance to prosecute someone on that charge, Schindele said.

Because the proceedings are secret, neither of the men nor their attorneys knew what prosecutors said to jurors in making that case — until they requested a copy of the transcript, which a judge ordered delivered to them. It’s not an unusual move for a defense attorney to make.


“As a member of the public, you can’t obtain a copy of a grand jury transcript,” Schindele said. No judge is present during the proceedings, either. Nor is a bailiff. The only people in the courtroom are the jurors, the prosecutors and the witnesses. In Idaho, prosecutors do, however, have to present “exculpatory evidence” — evidence favorable to the defense’s case..... Evidence presented at a preliminary hearing is, by definition, public. It may appear in media reports and will give defense attorneys a sense of the case prosecutors have. Naso believes that’s another reason prosecutors sometimes choose to present their case to a grand jury in secret.

I.C.R. 6.3. Secrecy and Confidentiality of Grand Jury Proceedings | Supreme Court Idaho Criminal Rule 6.3. Secrecy and Confidentiality of Grand Jury Proceedings

The court may seal the indictment and, while sealed, no person may disclose the finding of the indictment.

2016 Idaho Statutes :: Title 19 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: Chapter 11 - POWERS AND DUTIES OF GRAND JURY

• Section 19-1101 - POWERS AND DUTIES IN GENERAL.
• Section 19-1102 - PRESENTMENT DEFINED.
• Section 19-1103 - INDICTMENT DEFINED.
• Section 19-1104 - FOREMAN MAY ADMINISTER OATHS.
• Section 19-1105 - EVIDENCE RECEIVABLE BY GRAND JURY.
• Section 19-1106 - EVIDENCE FOR DEFENDANT.
• Section 19-1107 - SUFFICIENCY OF EVIDENCE TO WARRANT INDICTMENT.
• Section 19-1108 - DUTY OF JUROR HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF OFFENSE.
• Section 19-1110 - ACCESS TO PRISONS AND PUBLIC RECORDS.
• Section 19-1111 - WHO MAY BE PRESENT AT SESSIONS OF JURY.
• Section 19-1112 - PROCEEDINGS TO BE SECRET.
• Section 19-1113 - JUROR NOT TO BE QUESTIONED.
• Section 19-1114 - NOTICE OF REFUSAL TO GIVE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE -- AGREEMENT TO TESTIFY WITH IMMUNITY -- PERJURY -- COMPELLING ANSWER.
• Section 19-1115 - REFUSAL TO GIVE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE -- COMPELLING TO ANSWER OR PRODUCE EVIDENCE -- IMMUNITY -- PERJURY.
• Section 19-1116 - SPECIAL INQUIRY JUDGE.
• Section 19-1117 - SPECIAL INQUIRY JUDGE -- PETITION FOR ORDER.
• Section 19-1118 - SPECIAL INQUIRY JUDGE -- DISQUALIFICATION FROM SUBSEQUENT PROCEEDINGS.
• Section 19-1119 - SPECIAL INQUIRY JUDGE -- DIRECTION TO PROSECUTING ATTORNEY TO PARTICIPATE IN PROCEEDINGS IN ANOTHER COUNTY -- PROCEDURE.
• Section 19-1120 - WITNESSES -- ATTENDANCE.
• Section 19-1121 - SELF-INCRIMINATION -- RIGHT TO COUNSEL.
• Section 19-1122 - SELF-INCRIMINATION -- REFUSAL TO TESTIFY OR GIVE EVIDENCE -- PROCEDURE.
• Section 19-1123 - SECRECY ENJOINED -- EXCEPTIONS -- USE AND AVAILABILITY OF EVIDENCE.
  

 

[Nosurprise]

Perhaps due to the fact that many people consider Grand Juries are secret, even that they are taking place? Not only for what is being said in such, but also that they are occurring at all. You can betcha Lori and Chad are going to want to know the whereabouts of many people May 17-20. Heck, may not put it past some media folks to hang around the courthouse now and we'll get pictures of some folks entering the courthouse as folks have now been put on notice to get those pictures and information to the Daily Mail? Traditionally, the grand jury secrecy helps prevent identification and importuning grand jurors.

The role of grand juries in Idaho's criminal court system

"....they’re used in criminal cases across the country every day, making the United States one of only two countries in the world, alongside Liberia, to use them to screen criminal indictments....In Idaho, they are made up of 16 people, but only 12 need to agree to secure an indictment......If the jurors are not convinced, the prosecutor cannot bring the case to a preliminary hearing — meaning they’ve effectively lost their chance to prosecute someone on that charge, Schindele said.

Because the proceedings are secret, neither of the men nor their attorneys knew what prosecutors said to jurors in making that case — until they requested a copy of the transcript, which a judge ordered delivered to them. It’s not an unusual move for a defense attorney to make.


“As a member of the public, you can’t obtain a copy of a grand jury transcript,” Schindele said. No judge is present during the proceedings, either. Nor is a bailiff. The only people in the courtroom are the jurors, the prosecutors and the witnesses. In Idaho, prosecutors do, however, have to present “exculpatory evidence” — evidence favorable to the defense’s case..... Evidence presented at a preliminary hearing is, by definition, public. It may appear in media reports and will give defense attorneys a sense of the case prosecutors have. Naso believes that’s another reason prosecutors sometimes choose to present their case to a grand jury in secret.

I.C.R. 6.3. Secrecy and Confidentiality of Grand Jury Proceedings | Supreme Court Idaho Criminal Rule 6.3. Secrecy and Confidentiality of Grand Jury Proceedings

The court may seal the indictment and, while sealed, no person may disclose the finding of the indictment.

Question please. With all this Lori's attorney seems to have everything on hold for her? Being whatever was said sealed. Can the Grand jury still look at Lori? Thank you.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Question please. With all this Lori's attorney seems to have everything on hold for her? Being whatever was said sealed. Can the Grand jury still look at Lori? Thank you.

MOO You betcha they can look at Lori or anyone else. She nor her attorney aren't even part of the Grand Jury process. This is not part of current trial charges, this is now for murder.

As to there possibly being a Chinese Wall of previous information, I can't speak to such if that would happen in the court system as it does in business. That's above my pay grade and for a lawyer here.

Heck, perhaps they can get information on record so if Lori does do any plea and has to speak truthfully, they will obtain information which perjures Lori?

All MOO

 

[Nosurprise]

MOO You betcha they can look at Lori or anyone else. She nor her attorney aren't even part of the Grand Jury process. This is not part of current trial charges, this is now for murder.

Heck, perhaps they can get information on record so if Lori does do any plea and has to speak truthfully, they will obtain information which perjures Lori?

All MOO

Thank you.

 

[chloethesupreme]

Does the fact that Fremont County is assembling the grand jury mean that they believe Tylee and JJ were actually murdered in Fremont County? Or does the prosecutor have discretion to proceed since the remains were found there?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I didn't get the feeling that Chad was terrorizing Tammy, or have I missed something? She wasn't afraid of him and also probably didn't see him as a creep.

Oh I definitely see her as living in an abusive relationship with Chad living his life in his cult world.... Men, like Chad, who are so manipulative, in subtle ways (condemning her online Farmville games), and overt ways (paint ball attack, projecting her death) are the slime of the earth to me. moo.

 

[indicolite22]

Oh I definitely see her as living in an abusive relationship with Chad living his life in his cult world.... Men, like Chad, who are so manipulative, in subtle ways (condemning her online Farmville games), and overt ways (paint ball attack, projecting her death) are the slime of the earth to me. moo.

Well, he complained to others (like JR) that Tammy was getting jealous and at some point he started missing PAP events due to "family emergency". Perhaps Tammy wasn't just a meek wife but could stand up for herself. She even confronted the "paintball" attacker.

 

[nyvictoria]

This is great news! It’s been a good week here with Morphew’s arrest. I hope indictments come from this.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Does the fact that Fremont County is assembling the grand jury mean that they believe Tylee and JJ were actually murdered in Fremont County? Or does the prosecutor have discretion to proceed since the remains were found there?

As our R.I.P. Foxfire here used to say, https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/longtime-wser-foxfire-has-passed-away.325542/ many times criminals will cross jurisdictional lines, just for the reason you are thinking here.

I don't have an answer as to your question. It makes me distraught that some say that you have to know when and how and where they were killed to make a case. That folks get away with such due to not knowing where killed, when killed, and how killed such as is this case perhaps.

I so much disagree. And this case (as well as Caylee Anthony, but I digress) is a prime example of such circumstantial case that needs to have justice served.

All above MOO

 

[Boxer]

Chad had a history of telling women that he'd been married to them in previous lives and that his wife would die young, so I wouldn't put it all on Lori and her traits. They were both willing to murder innocent people for their personal gain.

Agree. He was already using (the fact) that he would be a big wig at the imminent end of times to pick up women.
He already judged people as dark or light spirits, worthy of life or not in his opinion.

 

[Colorado303]

dbm

 

[Boxer]

dbm

In Idaho the prosecutor has a choice, GJ or the court. Both can be sealed so wonder what the benefit is?

 

[nyvictoria]

I’m surprised the local news orgs have’t picked up this Grand Jury info yet. I hope it’s accurate.

 

[carbuff]

I'm not going to get too excited until I see something solid enough for Nate, Justin, and the other reliable reporters to say something.