Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #57

[Diddian]

RW's response says, "possible blood sample from an apartment"
The word "possible" says it's not a done deal that it is in fact blood, but if it is, it would be quite interesting to find who's blood and from what aprtment.

IF it is blood, and
IF it is JJ’s, and
IF it was in that second crawl space LE returned to search after new renters moved into LVD’s former apartment,
THEN LVD is sunk.

In consideration of other known facts, LVD’s story to MG and DW about JJ going zombie in the night - allegedly climbing up between the cabinets and ceiling and knocking the picture of Jesus off the fridge - would be inferred by any reasonable person as an attempt to explain away any sounds of struggle that might have been loud enough to be heard by houseguests.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Local update: MM is at the women’s detention center today

 

[JolietJake]

IF it is blood, and
IF it is JJ’s, and
IF it was in that second crawl space LE returned to search after new renters moved into LVD’s former apartment,
THEN LVD is sunk.

In consideration of other known facts, LVD’s story to MG and DW about JJ going zombie in the night - allegedly climbing up between the cabinets and ceiling and knocking the picture of Jesus off the fridge - would be inferred by any reasonable person as an attempt to explain away any sounds of struggle that might have been loud enough to be heard by houseguests.

I realize there are a lot of "ifs". It could just as easily be blood from someone who lived there at one time. However, if LE saw it important enough to take a sample for DNA analysis and then for JP to make an issue out of this, I'd guess that it has to be connected to the case.

 

[Riverdoc]

Just listened to the 3rd Feel the Fire podcast, interview with Chad Daybell on YouTube. I found it insightful (as a psychiatrist, I have been reluctant to verify because lurking has its perks). Melanie was kind of a wallflower and really didn’t say anything memorably off the wall. Lori came off as starstuck and perseverated about wanting to know Jesus’s personality and eye color. Chad diminished the faith of family of origin and described misgivings during his mission, alluding to the fact that it was in a “ghetto’ Spanish speaking part of New Jersey. He was feeling sorry for himself and saw Jesus in the bathroom with his ‘crystal blue eyes’ (racist much?). He stated and Lori heartedly agreed that Jesus is completely non-judgemental. He laughs a lot and wants to have a good time and for us to have a good time, anything that could be interpreted as puritanical is misguided and is not what Jesus wants. To me, that explains a lot of their weird not-very-Mormon behavior. Also, overall Lori was “into it” and asked a lot of leading questions. Chad came off as not terribly articulate or passionate, just overall vibe of ‘sure, Lori’.


I would be curious of others’ impressions.

 

[fred&edna]

I just want to hear the Sept 2019 episode... entitled "Feel The Fire - What Is A Baptism In Fire" with MG and LV. I believe it was recorded the day before Tylee was last seen. Has that been released?

2 Feel the Fire ~ What is a Baptism of Fire? - Listen - Preparing A People

 

[Riverdoc]

I just want to hear the Sept 2019 episode... entitled "Feel The Fire - What Is A Baptism In Fire" with MG and LV. I believe it was recorded the day before Tylee was last seen. Has that been released?

2 Feel the Fire ~ What is a Baptism of Fire? - Listen - Preparing A People

This had a bunch of videos, haven’t gone through all yet https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9XIO96_KEO64dmSWW2rQ/videos

 

[indicolite22]

I just want to hear the Sept 2019 episode... entitled "Feel The Fire - What Is A Baptism In Fire" with MG and LV. I believe it was recorded the day before Tylee was last seen. Has that been released?

2 Feel the Fire ~ What is a Baptism of Fire? - Listen - Preparing A People

That episode (#2) could have been recorded from days to several weeks ahead of its publication. Episode #3 with Chad, Lori and MG was released on Sep 16.

Interestingly the purported Sep 22 recording with Lori, MG and DW was never released. I wonder why? There was a pause in the podcasts between September and December, then episodes #4-6 came out in early December (4th, 6th and 8th) with MG and DW alone.

ETA: The above is about the Feel the fire series. Other PAP podcast series were also paused or stopped. The last Time to warior up episode (#24) was aired on Sep 4. Lori and MG took part in hosting the series, though not the last episode. The original PAP podcast series hosted by the PAP founders was paused between June and late November. In the last episode (#64, only synopsis available) the host explains the reasons behind the pause and claims that quite a few episodes have been recorded since the summer.

Of course after this case broke out, all their activity stopped and the podcasts as well as the PAP website were deleted. There was plenty of content that didn't directly involve Chad or Lori. Why were those taken down? For fear of excommunication?

Preparing A People Podcast Network (list of episodes)

 

[longtimereader]

IF it is blood, and
IF it is JJ’s, and
IF it was in that second crawl space LE returned to search after new renters moved into LVD’s former apartment,
THEN LVD is sunk.

In consideration of other known facts, LVD’s story to MG and DW about JJ going zombie in the night - allegedly climbing up between the cabinets and ceiling and knocking the picture of Jesus off the fridge - would be inferred by any reasonable person as an attempt to explain away any sounds of struggle that might have been loud enough to be heard by houseguests.

Such a good point. Very similar to the racoon story put forth. They offer detailed stories that seem to draw atrention rather than explain or cover. Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

Such a good point. Very similar to the racoon story put forth. They offer detailed stories that seem to draw atrention rather than explain or cover. Jmo

Or they project their own scheming onto others. One of the more ridiculous stories Lori told police was that her other brother was trying to kill her for her insurance. Her sister claimed the same about Charles.

 

[indicolite22]

Just listened to the 3rd Feel the Fire podcast, interview with Chad Daybell on YouTube. I found it insightful (as a psychiatrist, I have been reluctant to verify because lurking has its perks). Melanie was kind of a wallflower and really didn’t say anything memorably off the wall. Lori came off as starstuck and perseverated about wanting to know Jesus’s personality and eye color. Chad diminished the faith of family of origin and described misgivings during his mission, alluding to the fact that it was in a “ghetto’ Spanish speaking part of New Jersey. He was feeling sorry for himself and saw Jesus in the bathroom with his ‘crystal blue eyes’ (racist much?). He stated and Lori heartedly agreed that Jesus is completely non-judgemental. He laughs a lot and wants to have a good time and for us to have a good time, anything that could be interpreted as puritanical is misguided and is not what Jesus wants. To me, that explains a lot of their weird not-very-Mormon behavior. Also, overall Lori was “into it” and asked a lot of leading questions. Chad came off as not terribly articulate or passionate, just overall vibe of ‘sure, Lori’.


I would be curious of others’ impressions.

Since the historical Jesus was a Middle Eastern man, chances are that he had brown eyes.

On the the infamous recorded phone call with MG, Lori compares herself to various religious figures and justifies her hiding from the authorities. She believes that Jesus is on her side: "Christ... is supporting me and has supported me the whole time". "I do and I did exactly what I felt the Lord was instructing me to do." I have no doubt they tried to justify murder using scriptures too (she did it before with JR, also recorded).

Full transcript of Lori Daybell secret phone call recording

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Lori Vallow's ex-sister-in-law pushes for new investigation into her brother's death | krem.com

One of her first concerns is that it appears Ryan was getting ready to go on a trip with Tylee, due to the feminine products in the photos.

Cushing added that she found out Lori Vallow was in possession of a box of photo albums from Ryan's childhood.

Thank goodness for Annie. Joe never got a fair deal with Lori, and his own daughter, Tylee.

This news video was also attached to the article about Annie's attempts to reopen the case.

I had not heard this audio / video of Zulema when Alex died. If a duplicate, sorry.... but I feel still relevant to post if others missed it.....

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Local update: MM was not at the women’s detention center today

 

[887sMtreme]

Crazy, entitled, superior, selfish, greedy, remorseless, unable or unwilling to love anyone except themselves - but not very smart.

It helps to remember they expected The End to swallow up all the evidence.

 

[longtimereader]

It helps to remember they expected The End to swallow up all the evidence.

But did they really believe that? I am not so sure. They did not gather their troops and make a camp. Their actions speak otherwise.

 

[Lusitana]

Local update: MM was not at the women’s detention center today

He doesn’t like to work on Friday does he? Lol

 

[JRWoodwardMSW]

I wonder if any one has reminded her of where in her own panthology, unrepentant murders actually go when the "prepared (childless) people" assemble.
Not to a tent city as an A lister.

Also, yuck.
I just realized, Lori and Alex may taken Tylee to Yellowstone as a treat before their plan for her was, executed.

I love the phrase “Tent city A lister”!

 

[887sMtreme]

But did they really believe that? I am not so sure. They did not gather their troops and make a camp. Their actions speak otherwise.

Yes, I’m with you in doubting how sincere their advertised belief system was or is. Con artists can wind up believing their own malarkey, but as you note, given how close they were to The End they were forecasting, there were mighty few Chosen Ones — and not even so much as a tent city plat to spread out on the dining table for company. The crazy and the evil both run pretty deep with these two.

 

[Riverdoc]

Calling (not ‘call out’) my LDS friends,

I would greatly appreciate your feedback on two videoshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9XIO96_KEO64dmSWW2rQ/videos. I am not sufficiently culturally literate enough to fully understand what I am watching.

the first is “Gospel Discussion #6”. It it admittedly long and windy, but towards the end they mention how “if you have enough light you don’t need rules” and another lady, who teaches youth classes, mentioned how she feels strongly they should be teaching the youth about “Baptism of Fire” but is afraid to bring is up in her ward.

The second is “PAP Ranch Fireside” . The part that struck me the most was that they seemed to consider themselves somewhat separate from the official LDS church, they are “not the Mesa type” nor “the presidency (Salt Lake)”.

Certainly killing children and burying them in your yard is By NO MEANS mainstream, but I truly don’t know where Chad and Lori’s spirituality starts to separate from your average temple card holding LDS

THanks in advance

 

[155etta]

Calling (not ‘call out’) my LDS friends,

I would greatly appreciate your feedback on two videoshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9XIO96_KEO64dmSWW2rQ/videos. I am not sufficiently culturally literate enough to fully understand what I am watching.

the first is “Gospel Discussion #6”. It it admittedly long and windy, but towards the end they mention how “if you have enough light you don’t need rules” and another lady, who teaches youth classes, mentioned how she feels strongly they should be teaching the youth about “Baptism of Fire” but is afraid to bring is up in her ward.

The second is “PAP Ranch Fireside” . The part that struck me the most was that they seemed to consider themselves somewhat separate from the official LDS church, they are “not the Mesa type” nor “the presidency (Salt Lake)”.

Certainly killing children and burying them in your yard is By NO MEANS mainstream, but I truly don’t know where Chad and Lori’s spirituality starts to separate from your average temple card holding LDS

THanks in advance

Sorry, about 2 minutes in and I was done. Just can't with that.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Calling (not ‘call out’) my LDS friends,

I would greatly appreciate your feedback on two videoshttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9XIO96_KEO64dmSWW2rQ/videos. I am not sufficiently culturally literate enough to fully understand what I am watching.

the first is “Gospel Discussion #6”. It it admittedly long and windy, but towards the end they mention how “if you have enough light you don’t need rules” and another lady, who teaches youth classes, mentioned how she feels strongly they should be teaching the youth about “Baptism of Fire” but is afraid to bring is up in her ward.

The second is “PAP Ranch Fireside” . The part that struck me the most was that they seemed to consider themselves somewhat separate from the official LDS church, they are “not the Mesa type” nor “the presidency (Salt Lake)”.

Certainly killing children and burying them in your yard is By NO MEANS mainstream, but I truly don’t know where Chad and Lori’s spirituality starts to separate from your average temple card holding LDS

THanks in advance

For whatever reason, my phone won’t open the link. But I’ll attempt to answer without watching, IMO LVD and CD (and any other like minded person) twists things and become so obsessed they see what they want to see instead of what or how things really are.

So from what I’ve gathered, LVD and CD used the LDS culture as a basis and then things morphed into their “belief system”. But IMO it is now so far past what is LDS teachings and beliefs.

LDS people believe in obeying the laws of the land. Here’s a link that may help to explain that concept more: The Rule of Law

Here’s another link that may explain the baptism by fire concept: Fire and the Holy Ghost

IMO being a good person and doing the right thing always (even when no one else is around or watching) is a worthy goal even if you don’t believe in a higher power.

Not sure if this helps or answers any specific questions. If there’s something that’s not clear I’ll do my best to explain more.

All jmo moo imo