Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #65

[ElGato]

There is so much to digest in each persons recollection of the events from their perspective. ZP paints a different picture of MG than MG portrays herself as. They are all trying to cover themselves and put everything on Chad and Lori. Personally I think the entire inner circle all share some blame.

I can't imagine how many man hours the prosecution needs to put into this case just to present the jury a coherent understanding of the timeline.

IMO, if one is looking to somehow explain the whole story of how the murders came about, through trying to follow breadcrumbs relating to all these people, what each person thought, believed, their personal opinions, what they said to whom, when...that is impossible to ever know. You can't go back in time and inhabit the minds and bodies of dozens of people. Even the individuals themselves don't remember it all now, because they're different people now, than they were before reality broke through in the form of an investigation including the FBI, and a massive news story.

To me, and I think to LE and the justice system, the focus has to stay on: what major crimes were committed, and who directly caused those criminal acts to occur. A large group of people can't commit a crime like murder, unless it's an Orient Express scenario where each of a dozen people stab the victim individually.

I really don't see how anyone could be arrested and charged for murdering the children, other than the children's mother, and the people she turned them over to: her brother, apparently to kill them, and her lover to dispose of their bodies. No one else was there on those occasions, no one else had enough authority or power to order the killings. That's where the law stops, IMO. All the rest is just the usual soap opera/melodrama you find in stories about any group of people..

JMO

 

[MySharoanah]

First time poster, long time reader. I wanted to share a couple of thoughts with this group that I experienced this last weekend.

We drove to Island Park, Idaho over the weekend. To get there, you drive right by Rexburg. I couldn’t help myself and decided to drive by places of interest while in the area.

We drove past Chad’s house. It’s a quiet, serene and peaceful area. The irony of that feeling juxtaposed of that with the horror that occurred there is a surreal feeling. It’s hard to put into words. It took my breath away to see the tree where JJ was buried. It was harder to recognize where the infamous “ pet cemetery” was.

We also drove passed the Fremont County Jail. It’s a tiny little place that looks like there is no access to an outdoor area. It houses 4 men per room with the capacity of 20 inmates, I think. It made my heart happy to know Chad has been cooped up in that small facility for such a long time and not able to experience the light of day unless he has a court appointment that he attends in person. I hope he’s as miserable in there as it looks like it would be.

 

[nyvictoria]

Nope. I'm right there with

Me too

 

[Love Never Fails]

IMO, if one is looking to somehow explain the whole story of how the murders came about, through trying to follow breadcrumbs relating to all these people, what each person thought, believed, their personal opinions, what they said to whom, when...that is impossible to ever know. You can't go back in time and inhabit the minds and bodies of dozens of people. Even the individuals themselves don't remember it all now, because they're different people now, than they were before reality broke through in the form of an investigation including the FBI, and a massive news story.

To me, and I think to LE and the justice system, the focus has to stay on: what major crimes were committed, and who directly caused those criminal acts to occur. A large group of people can't commit a crime like murder, unless it's an Orient Express scenario where each of a dozen people stab the victim individually.

I really don't see how anyone could be arrested and charged for murdering the children, other than the children's mother, and the people she turned them over to: her brother, apparently to kill them, and her lover to dispose of their bodies. No one else was there on those occasions, no one else had enough authority or power to order the killings. That's where the law stops, IMO. All the rest is just the usual soap opera/melodrama you find in stories about any group of people..

JMO

This is true and actually, Lori could have killed them. She could have given them a lethal drug and had Alex dispose of them and he and Chad could have destroyed her daughters body the way they desired and buried the kids. It all began with Lori long long ago. Chad was an evil power boost and Alex an enforcer. And, of course, killing Tammy is ALL on Chad because he planned her death long before Lori and he could have stopped at any point. (Why Tammy’s grown children don’t see that is a mystery to me.)

 

[CSIDreamer]

Another interview with the book author:

In new book journalist Leah Sottile explores religious extremism behind Idaho murders

In new book "When the Moon Turns to Blood" journalist Leah Sottile explores extremism and religious beliefs of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, a couple accused of killing their two children in Idaho.

www.spokanepublicradio.org

Freelance journalist Leah Sottile said she’s always been fascinated by people on the fringes, which has led to a career exploring extremism in the West.
...
Her new book, “When the Moon Turns to Blood,” explores the couple (Lori and Chad) ties to near death experience and apocalyptic literature, and Latter-Day Saints beliefs outside of accepted church doctrine.

The sad thing is, almost every religious denomination or belief set has a % of followers that color outside the accepted lines. Most of them don't resort to multiple murders. JMO

 

[altojack]

Lori Hellas from Hidden True Crime is also writing a book.

The Lori Vallow Story

thelorivallowstory.com

 

[Niner]

@montegrl - any new hearings yet for either one?

for Chad I have next a pretrial conference on 11/9/22 & for Lori - last hearing was on 5/19/22

TIA!

 

[montegrl]

@montegrl - any new hearings yet for either one?

for Chad I have next a pretrial conference on 11/9/22 & for Lori - last hearing was on 5/19/22

TIA!

Nothing new yet besides LV's defense getting a copy of the grand jury transcript on 6/21. I will try to keep an eye out for anything new!

 

[Niner]

Nothing new yet besides LV's defense getting a copy of the grand jury transcript on 6/21. I will try to keep an eye out for anything new!

Thank you for taking the time to look! Much appreciated!

 

[mickey2942]

In new book journalist Leah Sottile explores religious extremism behind Idaho murders

In new book "When the Moon Turns to Blood" journalist Leah Sottile explores extremism and religious beliefs of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, a couple accused of killing their two children in Idaho.

www.spokanepublicradio.org

I am reading the book now, just in the beginning. There seems to be a lot of "fiĺler" information in the book, going into various tangents of other extremist groups in the United States.

Not focused on the crime, as much, like "Fatal Vision". But of course, there has not been an outcome yet for LVD and CD. As such, they are still considered "Innocent". (Hard eye roll here).

All in all, an interesting read so far, and will be a helpful resource for people not familiar with the culture and mindset of the LDS faith, especially the extremist groups, and in general, the Intermountain area of the Western United States.

 

[Love Never Fails]

In new book journalist Leah Sottile explores religious extremism behind Idaho murders

In new book "When the Moon Turns to Blood" journalist Leah Sottile explores extremism and religious beliefs of Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, a couple accused of killing their two children in Idaho.

www.spokanepublicradio.org

I am reading the book now, just in the beginning. There seems to be a lot of "fiĺler" information in the book, going into various tangents of other extremist groups in the United States.

Not focused on the crime, as much, like "Fatal Vision". But of course, there has not been an outcome yet for LVD and CD. As such, they are still considered "Innocent". (Hard eye roll here).

All in all, an interesting read so far, and will be a helpful resource for people not familiar with the culture and mindset of the LDS faith, especially the extremist groups, and in general, the Intermountain area of the Western United States.

Every time I read or hear something about “the mindset of the LDS faith” I worry about the trial. The jurors who will be judging them, along with the chief prosecutor will likely all be LDS. I know for sure the prosecutor is. Will there be justice for the murdered ones?
I don’t know.

 

[887sMtreme]

Every time I read or hear something about “the mindset of the LDS faith” I worry about the trial. The jurors who will be judging them, along with the chief prosecutor will likely all be LDS. I know for sure the prosecutor is. Will there be justice for the murdered ones?
I don’t know.

Me too. I’ve said this from the beginning. There are some basic features of this case that are jaw-droppingly weird to many of us, but that can be seen as less outrageous by those reared on a belief system that allows for personal visions and other aspects of the Daybell story. We must be very careful here to avoid judgments of the LDS faith in this regard. Every religion seems fantastical to those who don’t practice it — and even to some who do!

 

[Love Never Fails]

Me too. I’ve said this from the beginning. There are some basic features of this case that are jaw-droppingly weird to many of us, but that can be seen as less outrageous by those reared on a belief system that allows for personal visions and other aspects of the Daybell story. We must be very careful here to avoid judgments of the LDS faith in this regard. Every religion seems fantastical to those who don’t practice it — and even to some who do!

I’m not judging LDS. I’m saying if this seems anywhere “normal” to those on the jury, they may not view this as murder. Same goes for prosecutor.
Remember in the Old Testament, people of other religions burned their children in sacrifice to their idols. It was some cruel ritual of worship in their religion. How about those who saw Lori as a goddess?

 

[fred&edna]

Just my "off the cuff" opinion:

Religious liberty is one thing.

CD and LVD practiced/encouraged something else (not associated with religious freedom) no matter how it was "packaged".

 

[indicolite22]

Every time I read or hear something about “the mindset of the LDS faith” I worry about the trial. The jurors who will be judging them, along with the chief prosecutor will likely all be LDS. I know for sure the prosecutor is. Will there be justice for the murdered ones?
I don’t know.

Only 16% of Boise residents are LDS, so I wouldn't worry about the jury.

How “Mormon” is Boise, Idaho? – Purpose in Christ

purposeinchrist.com

 

[indicolite22]

I’m not judging LDS. I’m saying if this seems anywhere “normal” to those on the jury, they may not view this as murder. Same goes for prosecutor.
Remember in the Old Testament, people of other religions burned their children in sacrifice to their idols. It was some cruel ritual of worship in their religion. How about those who saw Lori as a goddess?

I don't think there's any doubt about the prosecutor. They wouldn't be seeking death if they didn't believe it was murder. It was stated in the indictment that religious beliefs were used as an excuse.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Only 16% of Boise residents are LDS, so I wouldn't worry about the jury.

How “Mormon” is Boise, Idaho? – Purpose in Christ

purposeinchrist.com

Thanks for this.

 

[wnk]

FWIW, as a non-Mormon living in Utah, my impression is that most people of the LDS faith and the organization itself are very eager to separate themselves from those who carry LDS/Book of Mormon tenants to extreme levels. For instance, here's an article about "What Has the Mormon Church Said About 'Keep Sweet: Pray And Obey?'", a recent Netflix series about the FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS / Warren Jeffs), and "What the Mormon Church Has Said About 'Under the Banner of Heaven'" regarding the Lafferty murders.

No one wants to have a murderer in their "in-group," especially one who points to shared religious beliefs as their motive, so I suspect most potential jurors will view CD & LV as they did the Laffertys and FLDS/Jeffs (and Elizabeth Smart's kidnappers, for that matter) -- as people who either misunderstood the principles of the religion or who were simply using their religion as a cover.

MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

FWIW, as a non-Mormon living in Utah, my impression is that most people of the LDS faith and the organization itself are very eager to separate themselves from those who carry LDS/Book of Mormon tenants to extreme levels. For instance, here's an article about "What Has the Mormon Church Said About 'Keep Sweet: Pray And Obey?'", a recent Netflix series about the FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS / Warren Jeffs), and "What the Mormon Church Has Said About 'Under the Banner of Heaven'" regarding the Lafferty murders.

No one wants to have a murderer in their "in-group," especially one who points to shared religious beliefs as their motive, so I suspect most potential jurors will view CD & LV as they did the Laffertys and FLDS/Jeffs (and Elizabeth Smart's kidnappers, for that matter) -- as people who either misunderstood the principles of the religion or who were simply using their religion as a cover.

MOO.

Chad and Lori (and many others with them) used it as a cover to do whatever they wished, with whomever they wished and to whomever they wished.
Justice can’t come soon enough.
I think there are good and decent people in every walk of life. I just wasn’t sure how the “community of believers” in that area viewed Chad and Lori.

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

These were innocent children murdered. There is no justification, but say if Tylee was a rebellious out of control youth that was kicked out of school, beat up people, just mean and incorrigible. A parent could get frustrated and "lose it" and they could kill them while trying to restrain them. Again, not justified at all in any way, shape, or form, but it can be believed. These two kids were living life and following mom all over wherever she led. They did absolutely nothing to invoke the ire of Lori at all. JJ is the most innocent of any child. I have full confidence that the jury will see the obvious - that this was planned and premeditated and hidden, therefore they knew what they did was wrong.