Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Sept & Oct 2019 *Arrests* #62

[303gmf]

If the multiple lives stuff is really true, then I hope that Tammy gets a really really nice husband next time around. If anyone deserves one it's her.

Agree!
And some offspring that aren’t children of the corn

 

[Ruminations]

Best to purchase wedding dresses & wedding rings only after your intended is single.

Also, wait until after the late spouse's funeral services, maybe even long enough for the funerary flowers to wilt....

JMHO ymmv lrr

Miss Manners insists that one never reuse the funeral flowers for the wedding ceremony.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Do we have anyone out there who knew Alex, or at least met him? I just cannot fathom why he was willing to murder adults, children and even dogs who had never done him any harm. We are presuming he did it because Lori wanted him to - but that's not really an answer, is it? Was he just so besotted with his own sister? Was he paid astronomically? Did he actually believe that Lori's will was as good as the will of God? Did he just want an excuse to kill? Had he even met Tammy? Why, why, why?

I think he was raised to be the hit man. Think Stacey....

He was also on many of the real estate transactions with Mom and Dad.
I just have a hunch that Mom and Dad always knew that Lori was a loose pretty little cannon....
But they knew she needed protection, and I believe they trusted Alex to keep an eye on her--- Alex was assigned early on.
I, personally, have never thought it was some weird sexual thing with Lori.

Just what was meant to be in "Family Cox"

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I still wonder what this was all about
Mom of missing Idaho kids screamed at killer brother
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-killer-brother-brought-disgrace-family.html
'I heard this huge commotion,' neighbor Donny Self told DailyMail.com. 'People were coming out in the street to watch …
I thought they must be husband and wife because it was the sort of fight you don't normally have with your sister. She was screaming at him accusing him of bringing disgrace on their family.'
After it was over, Vallow left the house she had been sharing with her brother in the Phoenix suburb of San Tan Valley and never came back…

Way way back....I think someone was able to add some context to this that made some sense....(maybe???? ...the or prostitues)
but it was nothing that could be fact checked or substantiated.

Any old timers remember this?????
Do we have the exact dates of this explosive exchange???

 

[DI_Isokawa]

I started reading on page 62 and it will take me two weeks to catch up. Can you tell me more about your theory?

If you search for my posts you'll find what I have suggested. And "suggested" is the operative term; we are very close to the edge of the TOS here (sleuthing people not directly involved in the case) and so we have to be careful.

 

[indicolite22]

Way way back....I think someone was able to add some context to this that made some sense....(maybe???? ...the or prostitues)
but it was nothing that could be fact checked or substantiated.

Any old timers remember this?????
Do we have the exact dates of this explosive exchange???

I do remember an anonymous source close to the family divulging some family secrets (including those about Alex) in correspondence with Gray Hughes. He presented the information in his Dec 25, 2019 yt video.

According to the article referenced by @BeachSky above, Lori and Alex's screaming incident likely happened in early 2019 (about a year before the article came out).

 

[indicolite22]

I think he was raised to be the hit man. Think Stacey....

He was also on many of the real estate transactions with Mom and Dad.
I just have a hunch that Mom and Dad always knew that Lori was a loose pretty little cannon....
But they knew she needed protection, and I believe they trusted Alex to keep an eye on her--- Alex was assigned early on.
I, personally, have never thought it was some weird sexual thing with Lori.

Just what was meant to be in "Family Cox"

I also am not buying that Alex and Lori were close due to some inappropriate relations. He was the older brother, so in a way his role as a protector of his younger siblings (not just Lori) wasn't unusual when they were growing up.

I'm not sure if Lori was a problematic child that needed more oversight. One of her school mates described her in an interview as nice buy shy.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I also am not buying that Alex and Lori were close due to some inappropriate relations. He was the older brother, so in a way his role as a protector of his younger siblings (not just Lori) wasn't unusual when they were growing up.

I'm not sure if Lori was a problematic child that needed more oversight. One of her school mates described her in an interview as nice buy shy.

I think her early marriages, and non-LDS marriages were very telling. This is simply not done, especially when a young woman.....
And that parents never went to the weddings.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I do remember an anonymous source close to the family divulging some family secrets (including those about Alex) in correspondence with Gray Hughes. He presented the information in his Dec 25, 2019 yt video.

According to the article referenced by @BeachSky above, Lori and Alex's screaming incident likely happened in early 2019 (about a year before the article came out).

What type of things would bring disgrace upon an LDS family?

Are their major sins the same as Christians?

Or something you can get ex communicated over? Was Alex actually LDS or just supportive of Lori?

 

[Satchie]

I still wonder what this was all about
Mom of missing Idaho kids screamed at killer brother
'I heard this huge commotion,' neighbor Donny Self told DailyMail.com. 'People were coming out in the street to watch …
I thought they must be husband and wife because it was the sort of fight you don't normally have with your sister. She was screaming at him accusing him of bringing disgrace on their family.'
After it was over, Vallow left the house she had been sharing with her brother in the Phoenix suburb of San Tan Valley and never came back…

I think it's a mistake to assume anything LV did was in any way rational.

We know from LV's nephew, that she was always projecting her 'sins' onto other people. For eg, accusing CV of wanting to kill her for her life insurance, when that was, in reality, her own plan.

So, to make a huge scene on the street accusing AC of something, could well have been projection, because she was the one bringing disgrace to the family with her affair and abandonment of her husband and children etc.

But as well, a master manipulator like Lori likely knew exactly how to humiliate, scare, etc her brother, in order to get control over him, and make sure he would bend to her will.

Which he did in July, when he killed CV.

 

[Satchie]

A little bit about AC in nephew Zach's interview, start about 8 min mark:

"Mentally, he was always 'off', he was a weird guy"

Also, he was as devoted and believing of Chad's books as Lori was.

 

[FLmom777]

Shoot, I missed it on regular CBS. wonder where to stream it for free?

Watch 48 Hours Season 33 Episode 64: The Secrets of Chad Daybell's Backyard - Full show on CBS

 

[FLmom777]

Times of change at State Hospital North

Yes. That was the name. I thought it would be "Kunz"; searched and found nothing. You are correct, I am sure. Judging from the looks of the Dr., I'm sure LVD finds him attractive. She will be manipulating him as well.

From the article:

"[Dr.] Koontz is developing an intensive inpatient trauma-focused therapy, which is a protocol developed by Veterans Affairs to help patients with post-traumatic stress disorder. He said when he worked in the outpatient world, his patients often felt they didn't get particularly active therapy at mental hospitals, which is a gap he wants to remedy."

It sounds like this doctor specializes in PTSD. Something to remember, if you are a hammer everything looks like a nail. This doctor would be predisposed to see PTSD in every case.

 

[indicolite22]

It sounds like this doctor specializes in PTSD. Something to remember, if you are a hammer everything looks like a nail. This doctor would be predisposed to see PTSD in every case.

Interestingly, in the yt video in which she was defending Chad, JR also claimed that Lori had been abused by husbands #3 and #4. Since she supposedly didn't know Lori, JR must have heard about it from Chad.

 

[LinasK]

Yeah. No. Especially at hiding dead bodies of children. "Crime 101",
1. Do not bury bodies of victims in your backyard. It is hard to deny any part of conspiracy.

2. Do not take dead wife's insurance money, go to Hawaii, and marry a blonde, dancing on the beach within months of her death.

There are so many trip ups here, on getting away with crime, it is like "Three Stooges" decide to plan a killing. I still can't believe that the bodies of Tylee and JJ were buried in CD's backyard!

Still waiting for them to be featured on an episode of "Buried in the Backyard".

 

[BeachSky]

A little bit about AC in nephew Zach's interview, start about 8 min mark:

"Mentally, he was always 'off', he was a weird guy"

Also, he was as devoted and believing of Chad's books as Lori was.

He says Lori is “fit for trial “.
Wow MG helped pack up Charles’ clothes & things.


MOO

 

[carbuff]

I think he was raised to be the hit man. Think Stacey....

He was also on many of the real estate transactions with Mom and Dad.
I just have a hunch that Mom and Dad always knew that Lori was a loose pretty little cannon....
But they knew she needed protection, and I believe they trusted Alex to keep an eye on her--- Alex was assigned early on.
I, personally, have never thought it was some weird sexual thing with Lori.

Just what was meant to be in "Family Cox"

Good point.

 

[Gigiky]

Beachsky. I caught that to, that MG helped pack up CV personal things. But I haven't heard MG ever state that she did that. Did she also take Lori to the airport to get CV truck? I agree. WOW!!!!

 

[Gigiky]

I have been searching around to see if there was any formal investigation into Alex shooting CV? I have read that AC, LVD and TR were taken in for questioning and sent home. And that's it as far as the shooting. I have never heard of anyone shooting someone and killing them, and then be taken at their own word it was in self defense without some kind of decision made in court as to weather they were cleared of any wrong doing.

 

[Kemug]

Miss Manners insists that one never reuse the funeral flowers for the wedding ceremony.

Brilliant!